Laidley

[greatwhiteshark]

Perhaps it is you who needed to take a chill pill before bombarding this forum with "I want a better coach" for weeks on end without acknowledging the ramifications of such a move. And if you are still so simplistic as to think you can isolate such a concept without considering the bigger picture and how to effects the club, not to mention how it effects our flag chances then I suspect I won't be the only one heckling you in the future. you and your ABBA loving mate need to get with the program.

Mate if thats what you call heckling then by all means continue.

Let me just clarify that it is your opinion that if John Worsfold was replaced as coach next season then the club would be in serious trouble?

 

[bunsen burner]

Let me just clarify that it is your opinion that if John Worsfold was replaced as coach next season then the club would be in serious trouble?

wtf? </shakes head> Do you have DS or something?

 

[greatwhiteshark]

wtf? </shakes head> Do you have DS or something?

Why do you forget what you write all the time?

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Perhaps it is you who needed to take a chill pill before bombarding this forum with "I want a better coach" for weeks on end without acknowledging the ramifications of such a move.

What would be the ramifications of a new coach einstein?

I have agreed with you that where we are now we may as well go for the draft picks.
So we get a new coach how will that impact our future?

Seriously you live in lala land.

 

[swannies]

Now, where were we gws before we were interrupted?

Bunsen, you may not agree with gws but there are surely topics of discussion you can agree on with him? Like his view on the kids? I'd actually like to hear your view on the kids, but maybe we should take that to Gunnar's rate the kids thread?

OT, I don't know why Laidley is rated by some as a master tactician, I really don't think he was, he was a guy that gave his all for a struggling club.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Now, where were we gws before we were interrupted?

Bunsen, you may not agree with gws but there are surely topics of discussion you can agree on with him? Like his view on the kids? I'd actually like to hear your view on the kids, but maybe we should take that to Gunnar's rate the kids thread?

OT, I don't know why Laidley is rated by some as a master tactician, I really don't think he was, he was a guy that gave his all for a struggling club.

Swannies how do you see the young guys? interested in your thoughts.

 

[swannies]

Swannies how do you see the young guys? interested in your thoughts.

Well, as most know I've rated Naitanui and Notte for a few years now. I've never had the fears over Naita that a lot have, but I've watched him solidly for 3 years. His improvement this year, not in his ruck work, but his forward play (closer to goals I might add) and marking has been mind boggling. I see Naita, not as a Cox replacement, but as a Chris Judd replacement, ie X factor, takes the game on and breaks it open. Like his last WAFL game against SF. I was praying hard that Melbourne would take Watts, and that's no disrespect to Watts.

Notte will be a first class forward/utility. Plays equally adeptly forward or back, but he's a more natural forward and that's where he should play. Beautiful hands, reads the play expertly, skilled both sides of his body and looks to get the ball on quickly. Not bad in the ruck either.

Masten will be super. Don't worry about his kicking, it will rectify, his lightning hands are beautiful in close (a role he's still a little small for in the AFL at present). Ebert will also be super, from seeing him in U18 to now, he's just one of those guys you know can find the footy and use it and his marking is top notch. Mackenzie looks to be coming developing into a top line backman. Brown, although I've always liked him, actually looks to be developing better than I thought he might, ie more than an average AFL player. Scott Selwood looks good and once he starts finding more of it will become a very handy player. I think McGinnity will be the surprise, because he seems to have started hitting his straps in the past few matches.

Swift looks good in patches and going by U16 stats was a steal, but I haven't seen enough of to really tell. Shuey has very big wraps from the EP coaching staff, they think he'll be dynamite and certainly winning Vic Metro MVP tells you he can play. Jordan Jones looks very likely the games I've seen of him for Peel this year, can find the ball and use it.

The ones I have a little question mark over are Schofield, Spangher (like the kid but they need to find a place for him) and oddly enough Houlihan and McNamara, who knock up getting it at WAFL but at the next level????

Anyone I missed?

 

[lewigie]

You're a legend Swannies

I just want Houlihan to get a game ASAP, so we can see if he can find the ball enough to be a good outside runner.

 

[bunsen burner]

Why do you forget what you write all the time?

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Perhaps it is you who needed to take a chill pill before bombarding this forum with "I want a better coach" for weeks on end without acknowledging the ramifications of such a move.

What I said there in bold does not equate to changing to another coach now and being in dire straights.

You wanted a new coach last year and this year who would do a better job at coaching. That means we wouldn't get Naita, Shuey, top 5 pick in October etc.

What would be the ramifications of a new coach einstein?

I've told you 10 f***ing times you numpty. Read just above.

I have agreed with you that where we are now we may as well go for the draft picks.
So we get a new coach how will that impact our future?

Err, draft picks. We are heading for possibly 2 top 5 picks in October. Why would we put that in jeopardy knowing that it wouldn't be hard for a new coach to come in and get a few wins?

If the coach was changed at the EOY then so be it. BUT you wanted him out all last season. That's where you have been WRONG.

Seriously you live in lala land.

Game's up champ. Everyone knows you're a nuffy.

 

[bunsen burner]

Bunsen, you may not agree with gws but there are surely topics of discussion you can agree on with him?

I have agreed from day 1 that Woosh may not be a good coach. But this guy has been bombarding the board with:

"Woosh is a bad coach therefore he should have gone last year"

He has not had the ability to consider the ramifications (ie naita, Shuey, Oct top 5 pick), and when pointed out to him he either ignored it or didn't understand it (unfortunately for him it ended up being the latter).

People shouldn't be allowedto keep posting the same old crap incessently if they aren't willing to address questions from other posters.

Now I actually think he understands what the repercussion would have been had we turfed Woosh last year. He may still have a problem twigging that right now we are in the same boat as last year - regardless whether he's a shit coach or not, it's a disadvantage to get rid of him.

 

[bunsen burner]

I'd actually like to hear your view on the kids,

I've spoken on this board about this ad nauseum. But I will go to Gunnar's thread. Looks like a good thread.

The thing that concerns me are the amount of nuffies who over the last 18 months have wanted Woosha out but at the same time are creaming their pants over Naita, Shuey, Swift, and next years top 5 pick. Obviously they haven't been able to put 2 and 2 together and realise they can't have it both ways. I admit, it's a weakness - dumbarses frustrate me

 

[Obeanie1]

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Originally Posted by Obeanie1
So if Woosha doesn't have a plan to take us forward why are we now playing a midfield zone? We are trying to play it but have no idea how to.

And you expect instant results applying a new game plan from a side who 50% are young developing players!


Why are we no longer clogging up our forward line playing one on one? Because it didn't work, the current system don't work either whatever that is. Not sure there is a system.

So you can't see any planning in this change of tactic?


How come we are now dropping loose players back to help Glass out instead of leaving him one on one as in previous years? This is good but should be anaturalo football response, not something you are told to do.

It is part of the new game plan, Phil Walsh specifically mentioned this pre season in the Eagle Eye as a new directive from the coaches box.


Why are we getting as many games into the kids we can? This is good to, just like every other club

Not to the same extent as a club in total rebuild mode. This is still part of our strategic list planning, even several journalists admit Woosha is being selfless in playing so many kids.


Why is Fletcher, Seaby and Hansen playing WAFL? Because they are not good enough to get a game. Same as every other club

Why did we recruite Phil Walsh as a Strategy and Innovations Coach? If you have seen new strategy and any innovation at all please enlighten me. But granted yes he was employed.

We are no longer playing man on man. Gerard Healy commented that "he never thought he would see the day when Worsfold employed a mid field zone."

You are being silly here and simply ignoring facts that errode your arguement.


Why did we turn over three assistant coaches in the pre season? Not sure? 2 of them were premiership assistants just a short time ago. So not sure if this was necessary.

And yet you want to sack the head coach? The changes may have had something to do with planning for the future and reinvigorating our off field coaching staff?

Why did we get Daniher as our head of Football Operations? Please tell me?

Gee, we seem to have made a fair few changes in players, games plan, coaches as well as fast tracking the kids?

What other changes do you think the head coach should do GWS?

Um, no answer here I see.



I will grant you that everything you have said above is true in a general sense. Does that change the opinion that John is an ordinary coach? No.

Now this is a totally seperate debate, my responses were addressing your statement that you can't see any plan / Woosha does have a plan. For a club with one of the highest resourced football departments to claim we don't have a plan going forward is plain silly.

As I said to BB, he is not employed to deliver low draft picks, he is employed to coach our players and get them to fulfill their promise as players asap, he is there to put a game plan together that wins games of football.

Go and read the thread on Saint Kilda's Lyons in the first 12 weeks he was implementing a change of game plan. Many Saints supporters were calling for blood and his sacking, I wonder what their view is now that he has had the time to implement the change in tactics and for the side to adapt? And that is with a mature list.

Basically GWS you are showing you have very little patience and an axe to grind against Worsfold.

I have criticised some aspects about Woosha in the past but I still think he's the best coach for this club and he is constantly identifying and addressing his weaknesses.

Oh, and I'm more than satisfied we do have a plan and its being implemented.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Obeanie1
So if Woosha doesn't have a plan to take us forward why are we now playing a midfield zone? We are trying to play it but have no idea how to.

And you expect instant results applying a new game plan from a side who 50% are young developing players!


Why are we no longer clogging up our forward line playing one on one? Because it didn't work, the current system don't work either whatever that is. Not sure there is a system.

So you can't see any planning in this change of tactic?


How come we are now dropping loose players back to help Glass out instead of leaving him one on one as in previous years? This is good but should be anaturalo football response, not something you are told to do.

It is part of the new game plan, Phil Walsh specifically mentioned this pre season in the Eagle Eye as a new directive from the coaches box.


Why are we getting as many games into the kids we can? This is good to, just like every other club

Not to the same extent as a club in total rebuild mode. This is still part of our strategic list planning, even several journalists admit Woosha is being selfless in playing so many kids.


Why is Fletcher, Seaby and Hansen playing WAFL? Because they are not good enough to get a game. Same as every other club

Why did we recruite Phil Walsh as a Strategy and Innovations Coach? If you have seen new strategy and any innovation at all please enlighten me. But granted yes he was employed.

We are no longer playing man on man. Gerard Healy commented that "he never thought he would see the day when Worsfold employed a mid field zone."

You are being silly here and simply ignoring facts that errode your arguement.


Why did we turn over three assistant coaches in the pre season? Not sure? 2 of them were premiership assistants just a short time ago. So not sure if this was necessary.

And yet you want to sack the head coach? The changes may have had something to do with planning for the future and reinvigorating our off field coaching staff?

Why did we get Daniher as our head of Football Operations? Please tell me?

Gee, we seem to have made a fair few changes in players, games plan, coaches as well as fast tracking the kids?

What other changes do you think the head coach should do GWS?

Um, no answer here I see.



I will grant you that everything you have said above is true in a general sense. Does that change the opinion that John is an ordinary coach? No.

Now this is a totally seperate debate, my responses were addressing your statement that you can't see any plan / Woosha does have a plan. For a club with one of the highest resourced football departments to claim we don't have a plan going forward is plain silly.

As I said to BB, he is not employed to deliver low draft picks, he is employed to coach our players and get them to fulfill their promise as players asap, he is there to put a game plan together that wins games of football.

Go and read the thread on Saint Kilda's Lyons in the first 12 weeks he was implementing a change of game plan. Many Saints supporters were calling for blood and his sacking, I wonder what their view is now that he has had the time to implement the change in tactics and for the side to adapt? And that is with a mature list.

Basically GWS you are showing you have very little patience and an axe to grind against Worsfold.

I have criticised some aspects about Woosha in the past but I still think he's the best coach for this club and he is constantly identifying and addressing his weaknesses.

Oh, and I'm more than satisfied we do have a plan and its being implemented.

Obeanie you have made some points and I don't agree with them all, some I did. The part of what else should Woosha be doing I chose not to answer because in the end its a waste of time and you guys don't want to hear it.

BB has gone on at nausiam about how Woosha has delivered us draft picks and even though he can't come to terms with it as it turns out it has worked out well for us that we have got them and looks like we will get some more.

But if you want me to give credit to John Worsfold for gaining us draft picks then its just not going to happen.

We have been delivered draft picks for many reasons, last year the major one was recovering from the trouble of the previous year and off field being more important topped off with a huge injury list for the season.

This year they will be delivered through a poor performance by the coaching staff and the playing group.

John has not delivered them to us as per the clubs wish, its been a a bi product of his poor coaching, the players poor form and also that yes we have played many younger players which I acknowledge.

It seems however you and BB want myself and others to acknoweldge that the clubs mandate for John was to deliver those picks, look maybe it was because lets face it none of us really know but I would find that hard to believe unless I viewed his contract where it states that.

This has all been done to death, you know my view on him as a coach and I think we could do better in the future. the club will re-appoint him so you will all be happy. And to be honest I hope you can come back and throw it in my face and tell me I told you so. I just doubt that will be the case, but I guess if you give anyone long enough they are bound to get it right eventually.

Bottom line i hope the club gets it right and I think we all want that.
Appreciate your points Obeanie, don't agree but thats your view.

 

[bodazoka]

BB has gone on at nausiam about how Woosha has delivered us draft picks and even though he can't come to terms with it as it turns out it has worked out well for us that we have got them and looks like we will get some more.

This is where you both IMO are arguing different points! correct me if im wrong BB but I assumed the purpose of this thread was to highlight that even if Worsfold is a complete nut case coach, regardless of what he has set out to do or not do to we are getting draft picks.

This thread isnt about the current coach setting up our situation and delivering us draft picks its the fact that if we had of replaced him we might got a coach who was more worried about his job and jepordised the kids development and our future draft picks.

Talking specifically about worsfolds coaching, and our win loss ratio is derailing the intention of the thread. Which is to highlight that draft picks are more important at the moment, and Worsfold is the man to get them for us. In two years if the S*it hits the fan and the kids dont come on because the game plan is crap then we will get a good coach to teach them but at the end of the day the young talent will still be there.

 

[bunsen burner]

It seems however you and BB want myself and others to acknoweldge that the clubs mandate for John was to deliver those picks,

I have told you point blank on no less than 2 occasions that this is not the case. Why do you insist? Why can't you read what I tell you and take it in?

 

[Obeanie1]

Obeanie you have made some points and I don't agree with them all, some I did. The part of what else should Woosha be doing I chose not to answer because in the end its a waste of time and you guys don't want to hear it.

BB has gone on at nausiam about how Woosha has delivered us draft picks and even though he can't come to terms with it as it turns out it has worked out well for us that we have got them and looks like we will get some more.

But if you want me to give credit to John Worsfold for gaining us draft picks then its just not going to happen.

We have been delivered draft picks for many reasons, last year the major one was recovering from the trouble of the previous year and off field being more important topped off with a huge injury list for the season.

This year they will be delivered through a poor performance by the coaching staff and the playing group.

John has not delivered them to us as per the clubs wish, its been a a bi product of his poor coaching, the players poor form and also that yes we have played many younger players which I acknowledge.

It seems however you and BB want myself and others to acknoweldge that the clubs mandate for John was to deliver those picks, look maybe it was because lets face it none of us really know but I would find that hard to believe unless I viewed his contract where it states that.

This has all been done to death, you know my view on him as a coach and I think we could do better in the future. the club will re-appoint him so you will all be happy. And to be honest I hope you can come back and throw it in my face and tell me I told you so. I just doubt that will be the case, but I guess if you give anyone long enough they are bound to get it right eventually.

Bottom line i hope the club gets it right and I think we all want that.
Appreciate your points Obeanie, don't agree but thats your view.

Agree we have flogged this issue to death here but one point of clarification.

I don't think Woosha can be credited with getting low draft picks at all (to date anyway).

We got low picks in the Judd trade - not Worsfolds doing there.

We got one 2nd round PP and pick 2 last year after a year from hell injury wise. Maybe we backed off late in the season but even if we tried 110% to win every game I'd suggest the out come would have been the same.

So no I don't credit Woosha for getting low picks up to now.

The main point I was trying to raise was I believe we do have a plan, a good one and we are implementing it. The plan is;

1. to develop our list ASAP and;
2. to take the best advantage of this last uncomprimised draft.

In your opinion Woosha doesn't have a plan and we should get someone else who is a better match day coach.

Anyhow like I said we've pretty much flogged this to death.

Gdamn, why aren't we getting another instalement of "NickNat takes on the world" this week, who would have thought the mid season break would drag on like this.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Agree we have flogged this issue to death here but one point of clarification.

I don't think Woosha can be credited with getting low draft picks at all (to date anyway).

We got low picks in the Judd trade - not Worsfolds doing there.

We got one 2nd round PP and pick 2 last year after a year from hell injury wise. Maybe we backed off late in the season but even if we tried 110% to win every game I'd suggest the out come would have been the same.

So no I don't credit Woosha for getting low picks up to now.

The main point I was trying to raise was I believe we do have a plan, a good one and we are implementing it. The plan is;

1. to develop our list ASAP and;
2. to take the best advantage of this last uncomprimised draft.

In your opinion Woosha doesn't have a plan and we should get someone else who is a better match day coach.

Anyhow like I said we've pretty much flogged this to death.

Gdamn, why aren't we getting another instalement of "NickNat takes on the world" this week, who would have thought the mid season break would drag on like this.

I know, whether we are winning or losing its shit when your side does not play one week. Keep punching!

 

[Monocle]

Well for what its worth on the Fifth Quarter .... Jon Ralph has reported that there is an article that suggests that Laidley is headed back to Perth as an assistant coach at West Coast.

He would be a very handy acquisition if true. Defensive coach maybe !!!

Interesting times ahead.

Whats the point of having money if you cant spend it.

 

[Marlin01]

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25665277-19742,00.html

As mentioned in previous post.

 

[lewigie]

Hmm.

 

[Prem87]

Awesome!

 

[ziad]

He would add greatly to the coaching mix as stated in the Hun.

We are wealthy enough to have an additional assistant. DL would be great as a teacher and tactician.

JW could play a more directing role

 

[lewigie]

We'll run out of chairs in the coaches box.

 

[Marlin01]

Take out the journo's spin and look at what Nisbett actually said:

"an approach to Laidley, 42, was on the cards if a position opened up. "

The way I see it, these remarks could mean two things:

1) Negotiation banter:

Sumich is signed until the end of 2010 and the other assistants have just been put in place. There's been question marks on this forum about Broadbridge, but I doubt Laidley would be considered for the role of skills coach and for all we know, the Eagles might be stoked with the job Broadbridge is doing.

So, what position could "open up"? Perhaps Woosha is trying to negotiate a better deal in his contract and Nisbett is reminding him there's more than one fish in the sea.

2) A new position for Laidley:

Neil Craig's comments in relation to the Eagle's spending on coaches struck me as being rather odd. We've had the same people in place all season, why choose now to comment on it? It seemed odd and out of context, unless he had heard that the Eagles were about to bring on another coach. Perhaps Adelaide had approached Laidley only to be told he was already going to West Coast.

It'll be interesting to see how it pans out.

 

[Jimmy_the_Gent]

For what it's worth I read on another forum that Laidley talked to Fremantle before this season even begun.

I didn't think too much of it but it's interesting that Laidley is now, seeminly, looking to come West.

What odds could I get for him to end up an assistant at Fremantle?

 

[Prem87]

"Re: Bring back the "Junkyard Dog?"
by Tonka on Tue Jun 23, 2009 10:55 am

I heard Barra talking on Sports Central last night, and he said that he has it on good advice that one of West Coast's Assistant Coaches wants to head to Melbourne at the end of this year. He obviously didn't say who it was, but he did say that they haven't been at the club for long at all.

I doubt it would be Burns, so i'm assuming maybe Broadbridge...

Take it with a grain of salt at this stage, just thought i'd mention it...
Tonka"


Bring back the "Junkyard Dog?"
by nivek on Tue Jun 23, 2009 12:33 pm

"Apparently Worsfold has said this morning that he is not against Laidley joining the Eagles next year, saying that even if a position does not exist, they could create one. I think that since the money is no problem, they should retain him now on a short contract to take a few guys under his wing and harden them up. Players like Rosa and McKinley: give them some intensive help to reach a level they don't seem to be able to achieve at the moment. Even Paddy McGinity, from all accounts, should benefit from some direct advice from someone as hard and respected as Laidley."


Couple of interesting quotes from EFH...

Nisbett did state earlier that we would look at Laidely "if a position opened up" which i thought was an unusual statement. We should be after him regardless of who leaves.