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VFL Lance Collard Tribunal hearing

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Nutsngum said:
Basically yeah, its to show that his memory might not be as good as he claims.

Despite what court room dramas might have you believe, witness testimony is basically the most unreliable evidence you can submit to trial. People are terrible at remembering actual events and facts and are extremely easily misled, coerced and/or just plain forget and make stuff up in their head that sounds correct. They are even worse when on stand and actually asked to recall things.
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I reckon the AFL told them, if both of you claim this is what he said, He will fold and admit it.

He double and triple down that he didn't say it.

and here we are today and it looks really average on the evidence provided so far.
 
stavro#4 said:
Lambert said he had been contemplating not giving evidence, and was "somewhat" talked into giving evidence by someone from the AFL's legal department because it "makes the case stronger".
"I kinda keep saying it because we were told at the start it was gonna be one statement and that's it ... but it's turned into this massive thing, and obviously taken up so much time, I've taken time out of work," he said.
Lambert confirmed he had been told he could be compelled to give evidence if he refused.
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If this is not coercion, I don’t know what is.
Whether Collard is guilty or not, this is a shocking look for the AFL.
 
Mav3rick said:
Two things can be true, I have little doubt that Collard said it to be honest and is using the maggot excuse to try and save his AFL career, as many people would. Also little doubt that the AFL have botched this whole thing by essentially colluding and coercing testimony and ultimately made themselves look like absolute d***heads.
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That's my take as well. Who knows what the end result will be though
 
Collard talking now.

Collard said: "I grabbed him (Hipwell) and said, come here, maggot.



"I know they think I've said the word f****t, because I've said it before, but I admitted it last time when I said it - but I've never said it this time.



"I signed an oath (statutory declaration) during the week about it that I'm being 100% honest. Last time I stood up and admitted it, and took it, I was remorseful … I wouldn't make the mistake again."



He said he learned from his pride education the connection between homophobia and racism.



He knows making a statement in a stat dec that he knows to be untrue is a criminal offence.



"I'm being 100% honest. I'm not lying," he said.



Collard said after the game, he spoke with St Kilda's Damian Carroll and Lenny Hayes and told them immediately he had said maggot, not f****t.



Collard said he had been called a coward before he said "come here, maggot.



"He didn't really say anything and he just walked off."
 

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saint66au said:
Would you all be this defensive of him and critical of the process if he played for Collingwood?

Some things are beyond defending a bloke just cos he plays for your footy team
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Or he is telling the truth. And the 2 players attacking his integrity and livelihood don’t think much of him ?
 
saint66au said:
Would you all be this defensive of him and critical of the process if he played for Collingwood?

Some things are beyond defending a bloke just cos he plays for your footy team
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So do you know he said it?

I usually don't get too involved in things like this or politics or religion etc.

But there is ZERO evidence he did say it and as I posted initially when he was hung out to dry by AFL media and fans. Everyone needs to be very careful here.
 
I'm not caught up - why did Lambert report it if he said it was Darby's thing to report?

And why do Hipwell and the ump's post-game stories contradict each other?
 
stavro#4 said:
So do you know he said it?

I usually don't get too involved in things like this or politics or religion etc.

But there is ZERO evidence he did say it and as I posted initially when he was hung out to dry by AFL media and fans. Everyone needs to be very careful here.
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I dont know anything, Im saying I think theres some opinions on here clouded by the footy team is plays for.
 
akaifu said:
I'm not caught up - why did Lambert report it if he said it was Darby's thing to report?

And why do Hipwell and the ump's post-game stories contradict each other?
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Darby reported it after the game and discussing it between them both.

the AFL coerced/forced the second player to provide evidence.
 

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first bit of evidence about the event that seems legitimate

The AFL is now interviewing Collard.

Collard agreed he was frustrated in the moment of the alleged incident, as he was when the 2024 slur was uttered, but again denied using the word f****t.

Collard said he knew the Frankston players had called it out to the umpire but said "I told him, I never said it."

The AFL suggests Collard did not try and correct what Lambert was telling the umpire in the moment, but Collard says "well, we were playing the game, I wasn't even worried".
 
saint66au said:
Would you all be this defensive of him and critical of the process if he played for Collingwood?

Some things are beyond defending a bloke just cos he plays for your footy team
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It’s damn tough.

1. He has form. (But people can reform)
2. It’s he said / he said, which means you just cannot convict on that basis, so knowing that…
3. It appears the AFL may have coerced other players into being reluctant witnesses.
4. Even the ump and player don’t have the same story.

So, guilty or not, whether he plays for the Saints or not, how can the AFL possibly find him so?
 
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Collard said "me and my mates say it (maggot) a lot".



Woods for the AFL says: "Would you agree it was usually a word preserved for umpires when they were wearing white?"



Collard replied: "I wasn't even born back in those days."



The AFL suggested Collard was making up that he used the word maggot to avoid the consequences of using the word f****t, and because it sounded similar so it might help him avoid being found guilty. He denied this.
 

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stavro#4 said:
first bit of evidence about the event that seems legitimate

The AFL is now interviewing Collard.

Collard agreed he was frustrated in the moment of the alleged incident, as he was when the 2024 slur was uttered, but again denied using the word f****t.

Collard said he knew the Frankston players had called it out to the umpire but said "I told him, I never said it."

The AFL suggests Collard did not try and correct what Lambert was telling the umpire in the moment, but Collard says "well, we were playing the game, I wasn't even worried".
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If he wasn't worried, why did he immediately speak to Carroll and Lenny post-game about it?
 
g_TRAIN said:
I think that's less likely, but I hope Lance is innocent.

Even if they didn't like him, it would take a lot of "dislike" to make a false report.
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From what the Frankston player said, it sounds like he never expected things to go this far. It could be a case of something not true that has snowballed into a court case.

Or maybe Collard did say it. Wouldn’t surprise me. It’s farcical stuff regardless, to not know if the umpires microphone picked it up 2 weeks after it happened is amateur.
 
The fabric of the game's judicial system is moot if Collard gets suspended on the basis of what player's think they heard and the fact he denies it, also signing a stat dec. Sets a dangerous precedent and it means that at any time in the future if two players corroborate on what they think was said, the accused must be suspended. Dark times at CFL House.
 
akaifu said:
If he wasn't worried, why did he immediately speak to Carroll and Lenny post-game about it?
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He wasn't worried in the third quarter or the fourth. He went post game and spoke to both once a report was apparently made post game
 
Collard said he knew they were accusing him of using the slur because the Frankston players were telling him "enjoy your holiday".



Tribunal chair Gleeson clarifies whether he said "f***ing" before he said maggot - given the accusation is he said "f***ing f****t" - but Collard said no.
 
Diehard Saint said:
So, guilty or not, whether he plays for the Saints or not, how can the AFL possibly find him so?
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Because it's the AFL.

The decision is predetermined, this kangaroo court is nothing more than a PR exercise to give the impression of getting a "fair hearing".

There is only one winner from this - the AFL, and their war on insert social cause here. Lambert and Hipwell look like stooges with the conflicting version of events, and Collard is cooked either way. The HS headline is already declaring him a liar, doesnt matter if he's found guilty or not at this stage.
 

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