with the current drug sacking of L Angwin has the AFC any chance of claming a compensation draft pick from the afl. If the Adelaide football club can prove L Angwin was mentally unfit to play football, could the crows now try and claim some draft compensation from the afl
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Not a chance we would succeed. Where would it end? Compensation for drug abuse, alcohol abuse, mentally imbalanced, general stupidity, .... or a priority pick for all of the above.
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My source tells me AFL is beginning to come round to giving Adelaide the same pick - no 7 - in compensation for the problems they experienced through Laurence Angwin.
Been argued for a long time, but the firing of Angwin from Calrton has damaged the AFL's position.
Been argued for a long time, but the firing of Angwin from Calrton has damaged the AFL's position.
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I don't think we have a hope in hell to get the pick.
Laurence Angwin has set the club back a few years. Waste of a top 10 pick and the one we could really do with. I think we will just have to get on with it. I am extremely doubtful that AFL will give us that pick for a number of reasons.
As Kane said where will it end. If AFL give us the pick then all the other clubs would come knocking at the door of AFL for their failed pick and secondly for arguments sake we are awarded a compensation pick at #7 in 2004 National Draft. I can already see the outcry from other clubs on this. They slip down the order by 1 pick if they finished higher than us and they wouldn't approve of us having 2 first round pick especially if both happen to be top 10 pick.
Imagine what Victorian lobby of clubs would throw at the AFL. It would be a BIG contreversy that AFL can do without.
Don't get me wrong I would love to get a compensation pick BUT I do't think we will.
Laurence Angwin has set the club back a few years. Waste of a top 10 pick and the one we could really do with. I think we will just have to get on with it. I am extremely doubtful that AFL will give us that pick for a number of reasons.
As Kane said where will it end. If AFL give us the pick then all the other clubs would come knocking at the door of AFL for their failed pick and secondly for arguments sake we are awarded a compensation pick at #7 in 2004 National Draft. I can already see the outcry from other clubs on this. They slip down the order by 1 pick if they finished higher than us and they wouldn't approve of us having 2 first round pick especially if both happen to be top 10 pick.
Imagine what Victorian lobby of clubs would throw at the AFL. It would be a BIG contreversy that AFL can do without.
Don't get me wrong I would love to get a compensation pick BUT I do't think we will.
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We should campaign hard for it....
We desperately need draft picks.. even the last pick in the first round would be worth creating a big fuss for.
Do you think Eddie would let a potential draft pick get away???
We desperately need draft picks.. even the last pick in the first round would be worth creating a big fuss for.
Do you think Eddie would let a potential draft pick get away???
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Absolutely correct. I was talking to one of a rival clubs recruiting officers over the weekend and he told me that every club knew that Angwin was "bad news" and not to go near him. His club was amazed when Adelaide took him and particularly amazed that we took him so high. We were the only club who didn't do their homework on him and have no-one to blame but ourselves.
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Spot on every member of the AFC Coaching/Recruiting Dept at the time were dead against drafting Angwin except.....................GARY AYRES
We have paided the price and must now move on.
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I find that to be very hard to believe
In the weeks leading up to the draft he was talked up as a top prospect and almost every phantom draft had the AFC pickin ghim up at number 7 becasue he filled the needs that we had at the time.
There was no mention of him being volatile in the press whatsoever or by any of the experts
Hindsight is a beautiful thing.
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Originally posted by maccas_no1
Spot on every member of the AFC Coaching/Recruiting Dept at the time were dead against drafting Angwin except.....................GARY AYRES
Isn't it easy to blame the coach.
Where does this info come from?????
Whoever puts out this info from the Club (which is the only valid spot it could have come from) should be sacked for disloyalty
Do the recruiting staff have any intrest in spreading this story to take the blame from them????
Smells like history revisionism to me
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Its a shame there's no (public) salary cap infringers that can have their first round pick rediverted ala the Leigh Brown pick.
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Exactly right.
And also, as Jars said, Angwin was very highly rated just prior to the draft and I remember throughout the whole of that year he was being spoken of as a top 10 draft pick, even before the order of selection was known. I find it very hard to believe that no other club was interested. You only have to see how much effort Carlton have put into him after all that's happened to see how highly rated he is.
Even after the Crows took him all the draft commentators spoke highly of him. There was no suggestion that it was a poor pick. It's only now that people are saying "I told you so" but they didn't.
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I can only repeat what I was told by this guy and his version of events is as I described before. He put it in perspective by saying he was sitting with a group of talent scouts from various clubs watching a game where LA was playing. He said he commented on how well he moved and was told by the rest of the group to stay away as he was "bad news".
He also mentioned that the talent scouts and various administrators from all clubs generally get together at the end of every year for a meeting. He said he was asked by one of the AFC hierachy as to why he hadn't warned them about LA when he knew what he was like. His reply was that he assumed they knew because it was very well known amongst the talent scouts and that each club is responsible for their own research.
I have known this guy since I was a kid and have never had any reason to doubt his honesty in the past.
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Definitely a case for Ripley's "Believe it or not" then.
I know the recruiting officer to whom Fergus is referring. To be more specific, he is one of Port Adelaide's principal recruiting officers, and has been a long-time friend of mine.
He has told me exactly the same story - exactly.
He's a straight shooter. One of the straightest men I know.
As for your comments about almost every phantom draft having Angwin at #7 for Adelaide, those phantom drafts aren't done by any of the 16 AFL teams, they are just people's guesses as to what fits football wise for that club. They don't take character into account.
A perfect example of this is Will Gayfer, who was in almost every phantom draft in the top 20 - mostly as a future CHB for Port. He didn't even get rookie listed.
Nothing in the press about him either on a personal basis, other than that they were all staggered that he was completely overlooked, given his football ability.
The clubs have a very deep intelligence network these days, which goes far beyond whether a potential player can mark or kick a footy.
So there you are, "Believe it or not!!"
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Gary Aryes and Peter Curren have a large Hawthorne culture and Larance's grand father was the late Andy Angwin who was the hawks property stuart for 30 years. Given this knowlage you would assume Ayres and Curren would have some insight into the kid and have some influence with him.
maybe if your not happy with who is selected to play or to coach the club, bugger off and support a different club and stop bagging our own
maybe if your not happy with who is selected to play or to coach the club, bugger off and support a different club and stop bagging our own
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Not blaming the coach just stating the facts, there were problems with him at the Dandenong Stingrays, the AFC knew this and it was Ayres who wanted Angwin at the club becuase he had a alot of talent and potential(lets be honest Angwin can play) and Ayres thought he could straighten Angwin out, in the end knowone could and the AFC and the CFC(not as badly) lost out, It was reported in the Herald Sun after he was sacked from Carlton
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Firstly, thanks for the spelling and grammar lesson.
Secondly, as a club we lost badly on Angwin. Pointing that out doesn't mean I or anyone else needs to go and support another club. I am a passionate member of the AFC and have been since 1993. That doesn't mean that I have to agree with everything the club does.
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Thank your your kind words and advice and l will make sure to keep up the good work.
l not saying agree with the decision the AFC makes, but just show some support to the coaching staff
and l dont give a rat's toss bag if you have been a member since 1993
precisely. well said.
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Correct, but you're wasting your breath on those that prefer not to believe you, but think they know better, without any justification.
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To think some of us are still fighting over Angwin. Would have thought it is time to move on as we can't unfortunately change the past. Trust me, you will all sleep better at night.
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ok can you clarify, are you saying this guy thinks Angwin would not have been drafted, as it seems plenty of clubs were keen to give him a go even after all his problems.
Also, what does your man think is the reason Will Gayfer dropped?
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Can't answer for all the clubs, but Port Adelaide had made the decision not to draft him at all, if that opportunity arose.
Angwin probably would have ended up being drafted by a club, but much later than his football ability demanded, as he would have been regarded as a highly speculative pick based on character.
His surprise was that Adelaide gambled with it's first round draft pick on a lad of already dubious character, when there were other good choices that could have been made that didn't involve non-football risks.
He didn't know specifically why Gayfer wasn't taken anywhere either by draft or as a rookie, but did make the point that once again it had to be non-footy related because his football ability would have demanded that he be rookie listed as a bare minimum.