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The rule applies over the whole ground in the SANFL.
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If it's last disposal, it probably wouldn't happen all that often anyway, right? Most kicks that dribble OOB are pinged for deliberate these days, and when was the last time you saw a handball go OOB?
I could be wrong about that, but I don't think it'll happen too much.
What it might do is encourage less kicking down the line out of defence, in case you miss your target. So that might be a positive.
How about the AFL stop adding rules every year, and start removing all the garbage ones they've bought in instead?
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That's what I would be doing, why contest the ball at all or pick it up under pressure when you're about to get a free kick by not playing the ball. So the AFL would tweak the rule to be the exact opposite of what we have now where if you haven't shown reasonable intent to keep the ball alive you don't get to have the free kick.
Most of the time the ball goes over the line currently it's a spoil, spillage or slap on anyway.
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Good. One of the best rules in the sanfl
Shithouse poll.
They have this in junior footy too because of no boundary umpires. It works fine, I think it will remove the more frustrating, insufficient intent rule interpretation when you’re on the receiving end of a bad one.
I’d like to say this one won’t cost a grand final but even the black & white rules could eg. Wayne Harmes.
I’d like to say this one won’t cost a grand final but even the black & white rules could eg. Wayne Harmes.
I think we’ve found the person who designed the Republic referendum.
They use it in SANFL already.
Was trialed in the AFL pre season and worked well.
No.
See SANFL rule
Wording of poll is fwittery
I just wish they’d stop bringing in unnecessary rules and fix or take out the shite ones they’ve brought in last few years.
The stand rule is an abomination, embarrassing, umpire dissent (although it’s somewhat been downgraded) is another massive over reaction.
If there was something I’d like to see brought in it would be with doing away of the fingernail touches being reviewed, if the player cannot obviously make contact or deviate the ball it should be a goal, the review system and video is garbage
The stand rule is an abomination, embarrassing, umpire dissent (although it’s somewhat been downgraded) is another massive over reaction.
If there was something I’d like to see brought in it would be with doing away of the fingernail touches being reviewed, if the player cannot obviously make contact or deviate the ball it should be a goal, the review system and video is garbage
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I'm fairly agnostic to this hypothetical rule change (it's just a BF thought bubble as far as I'm aware, I haven't heard the AFL run it up the flagpole just yet). But if it was being considered, what problem is it designed to fix? i.e. what would the purpose of this rule be?
I think you would need to retain "insufficient intent" as well for other methods of trying to get the ball out of bounds where possession is not taken (spoils, tapping it on, etc) but "last disposal" makes much more sense than "last touch". I'm still concerned that teams may decide not to risk going wide, making it easier to defend and adding congestion by effectively narrowing the ground.
Whatever it is (if anything, nothing is always an option), trial it in practice matches first for a couple of pre-seasons - don't just throw it into league games as they almost always do with rule changes.
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Does anyone know why the rule was removed in 1939?
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The war?
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Last clean disposal between the arcs: Happy to see this TRIALLED over 2 preseasons.
Not bloody introduced at a whim because they think what result it might achieve. Give it a propper trial period over a period longer than once.
Last clean disposal between the arcs: Happy to see this TRIALLED over 2 preseasons.
Not bloody introduced at a whim because they think what result it might achieve. Give it a propper trial period over a period longer than once.
And secondly, every rule change should be able to clearly and succinctly answer 2 questions:
What issue is this rule change intended to fix/improve in the game?
How does this rule change improve/fix the issue in the game?
If there is not a clear, logical, succinct and simple answer to those questions, the rule change should not be implemented.
What issue is this rule change intended to fix/improve in the game?
How does this rule change improve/fix the issue in the game?
If there is not a clear, logical, succinct and simple answer to those questions, the rule change should not be implemented.
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If the rule would only apply to kicks and handballs, you may as well have it in the 50m arcs as well. I can't see a reason not to.
And to get rid of the deliberate/insufficient intent rule all together, you may as well just let players knock the ball over the line whenever they want. No grey areas.
And to get rid of the deliberate/insufficient intent rule all together, you may as well just let players knock the ball over the line whenever they want. No grey areas.
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It is almost last disposal already
Im all for rules that take the interpretation away from the umps.
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Deflection, spoil, ricochet = not deliberate
Hand pass = deliberate
Bouncing kick = not deliberate (just like ootf)
Inside D/F50 = not deliberate (unless first bounce of ball from kick is not close to team-mate)
Ball originates from either arc but crosses in between the arcs = not deliberate
Basically, only call it as last touch if it's from a hand pass over the line in-between the arcs. If you get a touch on it, it's a throw in. Even if the hand pass bounces or deviates.
I don't really know where I'm going with this, I just don't like the term "deliberate" being used to officiate rules as it's so woefully open to interpretation
Just don't make rules open to interpretation, make them solid and as close to zeros and ones as possible. Soccer has it's criticisms, sure - and most of them are the diving/simulation which is totally down to interpretation and often the pace which is down to the players on the field, not the sport itself. What it does have, however, is hard and fast rules for last touch for corners, goal kicks and thrown ins, off-side & handball (well, mostly) and lots of rules that are yes and no in terms of officiating. The rules that always cause angst are the interpreations ones (penalties, VAR, yellow/red card calls etc.)
Hand pass = deliberate
Bouncing kick = not deliberate (just like ootf)
Inside D/F50 = not deliberate (unless first bounce of ball from kick is not close to team-mate)
Ball originates from either arc but crosses in between the arcs = not deliberate
Basically, only call it as last touch if it's from a hand pass over the line in-between the arcs. If you get a touch on it, it's a throw in. Even if the hand pass bounces or deviates.
I don't really know where I'm going with this, I just don't like the term "deliberate" being used to officiate rules as it's so woefully open to interpretation
Just don't make rules open to interpretation, make them solid and as close to zeros and ones as possible. Soccer has it's criticisms, sure - and most of them are the diving/simulation which is totally down to interpretation and often the pace which is down to the players on the field, not the sport itself. What it does have, however, is hard and fast rules for last touch for corners, goal kicks and thrown ins, off-side & handball (well, mostly) and lots of rules that are yes and no in terms of officiating. The rules that always cause angst are the interpreations ones (penalties, VAR, yellow/red card calls etc.)
