Let The Tank Begin!!!!!!

[oxx]

I'm In

Priority pick >>>>>>> the illusion of installing a winning culture with this list.

The truth is we're going nowhere with the mix of old duds and promising kids.

Finish 9th - miss out on finals,miss out on DPs,stuck with old duds for another year thru necessity....

Finish 8th;

Play finals,get smashed,lose a years confidence,full knowing our list is neither here nor there in terms of a successful,growing structure.
Wont be able to build frm there,etc.

Finish last - Natanui plus ?,squeeze the Bowdens,Pettifers,Tivendales,Johnsons out of the fold.

We can only rebuild when we rid ourselves of the old mentality completely,which ultimately means ridding ourselves of those who bled the toxin.

It really is a reflection of the damage Frawley did to the club.

He should be ____en charged with larceny the ____en ____

 

[IDGAF]

He should be ____en charged with larceny the ____en ____

He should be ____ed in the arse with John Holmezez ____ ..... ____in ____ he is mother____in ____witted ____

 

[oxx]

In Australia we don't usually spit on _____ and if it does happen,you can bet the person probably deserved it.

go figure.

 

[itsintheblood]

I was calling for the tank weeks ago and was howelled down. The bottom line is we have a dozen crud players on our list.

 

[oxx]

I was calling for the tank weeks ago and was howelled down. The bottom line is we have a dozen crud players on our list.

It's the only thing to do.

Who wants to be a half baked biscuit for the next 10 years ?

 

[Peter SasseGum]

It's the only thing to do.

Who wants to be a half baked biscuit for the next 10 years ?

We won't be.

The reality is that it's all starting to come together now.
2009 will be the year that the solid results will come.

Tigers will win a few more games this year and build the foundation for a genuine flag tilt from 2011 onwards

 

[beaver fever]

We won't be.

The reality is that it's all starting to come together now.
2009 will be the year that the solid results will come.

Tigers will win a few more games this year and build the foundation for a genuine flag tilt from 2011 onwards

What's the bet at this time last year you would have said exactly the same thing except replace 2009 with 2008.

 

[Peter SasseGum]

What's the bet at this time last year you would have said exactly the same thing except replace 2009 with 2008.

I always believed in the 2011 presentation from Wallace.

It was a genuine assessement of where we were at, and I have no reason to believe that it isn't still a reality now.

The reality is that we weren't the worst side in 2007.. the spoon was not a true indicator of where we were in development

 

[beaver fever]

I always believed in the 2011 presentation from Wallace.

It was a genuine assessement of where we were at, and I have no reason to believe that it isn't still a reality now.

The reality is that we weren't the worst side in 2007.. the spoon was not a true indicator of where we were in development

The reality is that you have no idea what the reality is.

 

[nut]

I was calling for the tank weeks ago and was howelled down. The bottom line is we have a dozen crud players on our list.

The thing is itintheblood we havent won a game since then anyway.

 

[Madtiger2006]

This is our last chance for a few years to get great draft picks, because the 2 new teams take them all. But is it too earlty to tank?

 

[nut]

This is our last chance for a few years to get great draft picks, because the 2 new teams take them all. But is it too earlty to tank?

TOO EARLY TO TANK?????????????? what do you mean?????? If we dont start now then it's NO POINT.... thats the point. Start Tanking NOW>>>

 

[oxx]

we play Melb twice...so we have complete control

 

[PHX]

We are going to pound Melbourne this weekend like a horny milf.

After that the reward of tanking goes out the window.

Top 12 ftw.

 

[Mario Speedwagon]

I'm In

Priority pick >>>>>>> the illusion of installing a winning culture with this list.

It's an each way bet at best. I tend to adhere to the old "bird in the hand" adage.,,Cotchin, Foley ,Delidio etc...being our birds. Tanking is an inherently flawed strategy for a number of reasons.

Firstly...It's never a guarantee that the high picks will be guns. Just because they tear it up against other schoolboys doesn't mean they will against men. Often , players have weaknesses that are not always apparent from the stands , to scouts , video footage or their fellow kids , the kind of weaknesses that will only be picked up by experienced AFL opponents at ground level during games. Natanui could be better than Buddy is at Hawthorn or turn out to be worse than Woewodin was at Collingwood. He also could turn out to be injury prone. The draft is a gamble. Granted, a select few are stars straight away , but most players don't even start to show their true potential until they're 22-25 and not when they're 16-18. The main key to success will always be how well a club manages it's list and get's the best from the players they have.

Secondly...it's all very well to assemble a star studded team of the future...but a some point in that future the salary cap is going to come to effect as these player's market values increase and eventually you're still going to have to make compromises with your list in some way. Again the buck ultimately stops with player development and how good your Football department is. Every club needs a star or two if they want to take the next step...but it's invariably the common or garden variety rank and file players that lay the platform.

Thirdly...Tanking is not foolproof...remember..it's not players themselves who actually tank...it's coaches and selection panels who contrive to tank...no player with an ounce of pride steps over the white line to deliberately lose a game..i.e. they can ____ up tanking plans by going out there and actually playing well.

One thing I know for sure...the whole system is a farce and the AFL should get it's head out of it's arse if they think the integrity of the competition and it's clubs are not compromised by the current set up. If they really need proof of this then look no further than these topics. Someone should e-mail them to the fools.

 

[tigerdan]

It's an each way bet at best. I tend to adhere to the old "bird in the hand" adage.,,Cotchin, Foley ,Delidio etc...being our birds. Tanking is an inherently flawed strategy for a number of reasons.

Firstly...It's never a guarantee that the high picks will be guns. Just because they tear it up against other schoolboys doesn't mean they will against men. Often , players have weaknesses that are not always apparent from the stands , to scouts , video footage or their fellow kids , the kind of weaknesses that will only be picked up by experienced AFL opponents at ground level during games. Natanui could be better than Buddy is at Hawthorn or turn out to be worse than Woewodin was at Collingwood. He also could turn out to be injury prone. The draft is a gamble. Granted, a select few are stars straight away , but most players don't even start to show their true potential until they're 22-25 and not when they're 16-18. The main key to success will always be how well a club manages it's list and get's the best from the players they have.

Secondly...it's all very well to assemble a star studded team of the future...but a some point in that future the salary cap is going to come to effect as these player's market values increase and eventually you're still going to have to make compromises with your list in some way. Again the buck ultimately stops with player developmentb and how good your Football department is. Every club needs a star or two if they want to take the next step...but it's invariably the common or garden variety rank and file players that lay the platform.

Thirdly...Tanking is not foolproof...remember..it's not players themselves who actually tank...it's coaches and selection panels who contrive to tank...no player with an ounce of pride steps over the white line to deliberately lose a game..i.e. they can ____ up tanking plans by going out there and actually playing well.

One thing I know for sure...the whole system is a farce and the AFL should get it's head out of it's arse if they think the integrity of the competition and it's clubs are not compromised by the current set up. If they really need proof of this then look no further than these topics. Someone should e-mail them to the fools.

I agree with you 100% Mario. The tank is just a psychological crutch for supporters of crap teams to cling on to. If tanking worked St Kilda would have won the last 3 premierships and Carlton would be on top of the ladder right now.

 

[Mario Speedwagon]

I should add...it also leaves you open to allegations and scrutiny from the AFL...sure no-ones been done for it yet..but give it time...and knowing our luck we will be the case that finally blows the whole thing wide open...if a concious plan is discussed and put in place...it only takes one blabbermouth or disgruntled ex-staffer to give everyone up...Carlton were lucky , because Libba was simply too thick to keep his story straight and didn't look or sound credible on television... I dare say he may've even recieved a few "phone calls" from Pratt or one of his his lackeys...that bloke's as bent as a three pound note. It's a dangerous game....a tangled web thou doth weave....

 

[oxx]

if we dont get the PPs this year we will be strategically hindered to the point where we will be reliant upon the destablisation of competitors ists to give us any chance of actually being competitive force.

Of course we have some bright hopes amongst some of the youth but we also have some lazy
____s too.

We simply cant do it.

 

[nut]

With pretty much every quality kid from next year being tied to the 2 new clubs the last year to be unaffected is this year.

We are in a situation because of our poor season last year that we could capitalize in getting the first 2 picks. We could get the best KPP and add to our already improving midfield stocks.

Like I have said before the rules are in place and the prize finishing last is enormous.

The future success of the football could well be decided in the next Draft, which will have a long term affect on the club. We could go from a middle of the road club to top 4 whilst other clubs fall victim to the difficulties associated in rebuilding whilst the AFL pump Draft concessions and money into West Sydney and the Gold Coast. The real possibility of a Team Falling over in Melbourne will be huge and once one falls over the focus will turn on the next.

For those who think a Tank is not an option ask your selves if our list is good enough to carry us for the next 5-10 years??? Can we with stand the depletion of available talent absorbed by the new clubs??? My opinion is mixed, so the SAFE option for me would be to cement our position in this the LAST unaffected Draft and Inject our team with another 2 quality ten year players in the Deleido and Cotchin mould.

 

[Peter SasseGum]

if we dont get the PPs this year we will be strategically hindered to the point where we will be reliant upon the destablisation of competitors ists to give us any chance of actually being competitive force.

Of course we have some bright hopes amongst some of the youth but we also have some lazy
____s too.

We simply cant do it.

No way will we get any priority picks.

Now that the tougher games are behind us, I'm sure the Tigers will put a few wins together and come close to challenging for the finals.

Will be a great springboard towards 2011-12-13

 

[Wallaby]

If we tank, I believe it improves our chances of winning a flag in the next 6-10 years. Tanking sucks, but I believe it does work a bit.

However.....

I follow the Tiges every week. I start geting excited about Thursday, look for the team to come out, do a bit of 'sledging' of opposition supporters at work on Friday etc, etc.

Then the game is a major highlight of the week. Sometimes the highlight is gone by 1/4 time - but you know what? Next week, I get fired up and do it all again. I don't think about finals at this stage - I barrack for Richmond after all.

So if the club chooses to tank, it destroys the season for me from now on for a possible benefit in a few years time.

Sorry, I don't work that way. Yes, I am desperate for the Tiges to win another flag - but that is not the be-all and end-all for me as a supporter. I want to see the club try and win every game. Yes, develop young players - but not to the extent of making the club uncompetitive in any game.

If it was proven that the club was tanking, I think as a member I am entitled to ask them for a refund for the rest of the season - and before I sign up next year I would like to see a statement from the club re their stance on tanking for the upcoming season.

 

[genghiskhan]

You need to win with some honour and there is no honour in deliberately losing to gain a leg up over other teams.

In any case, history shows that it doesn't work anyway. It stifles players development and builds a mind set of looking for easy options. Winning 6-7 games will do far more for the development of players than a top draft selection. Furthermore, if Richmond loses the rest of its games, it will probably end up cutting some talented players that would have been able to show what they are capable of when they play in a winning team.

Geelong is the guide. It didn't produce 9 all Australians because it has great recruiters who spotted the best talent. They produced so many because the individuals of so so talent played in a winning team that allowed them make the most of the talents they had, and develop them further.

 

[beaver fever]

In any case, history shows that it doesn't work anyway. It stifles players development and builds a mind set of looking for easy options. Winning 6-7 games will do far more for the development of players than a top draft selection. Furthermore, if Richmond loses the rest of its games, it will probably end up cutting some talented players that would have been able to show what they are capable of when they play in a winning team.

Tanking is playing young players and not the older ones. Not deliberately losing. You can't deliberately lose.

We will win 6-7 games if we play Pettifer, Hyde, Tivendale etc, and who does that benefit long-term when we are going to delist them anyway. How about playing the youngsters now and develop them in our 22. Then at the end of the season add in more top line talent to complement them. With match experience and perhaps some genuine structure playing Graham, Hughes, Rance etc, we might not win games but at least we will have hope.

2005 and 2006 we went for wins and that didn't help us win respect.

 

[Big Red is back]

I was calling for the tank weeks ago and was howelled down. The bottom line is we have a dozen crud players on our list.

Loving this thread... 5 year plan start again

 

[genghiskhan]

Tanking is playing young players and not the older ones. Not deliberately losing. You can't deliberately lose.

We will win 6-7 games if we play Pettifer, Hyde, Tivendale etc, and who does that benefit long-term when we are going to delist them anyway. How about playing the youngsters now and develop them in our 22. Then at the end of the season add in more top line talent to complement them. With match experience and perhaps some genuine structure playing Graham, Hughes, Rance etc, we might not win games but at least we will have hope.

2005 and 2006 we went for wins and that didn't help us win respect.

Tanking and list development are not the same. With tanking, you can increase your odds of losing. You could book stars in for surgery and deliberately play players out of position.

With list development, you are promoting youngsters, trying to get them hungry for victory, getting them confident in their team mates and playing them in positions where they are likely to do well.