Oppo Camp Let's talk about Adelaide

[Baltimore Jack]

Okay I understand that Adelaide can be sanctioned for this, but why Tippett? He can claim all he was doing was signing a contract to get the best deal for himself, he wasn't to know that the Crows didn't register it with the AFL for salary cap purposes?

Like the Melbourne Storm fiasco a few years back. Club felt the full effects but the players weren't penalised from what I can remember.

It couldn't have happened unless Tippett agreed to do it

 

[RuFiO]

We have already been fined twice for Salary Cap breaches, along with Essendon and Melbourne.
Carlton of course were crucified for there continued breaches.

We have?
Or are you talking about that lodgement being late recently?

 

[Number 10]

Okay I understand that Adelaide can be sanctioned for this, but why Tippett? He can claim all he was doing was signing a contract to get the best deal for himself, he wasn't to know that the Crows didn't register it with the AFL for salary cap purposes?

Like the Melbourne Storm fiasco a few years back. Club felt the full effects but the players weren't penalised from what I can remember.

I suppose that is what the afl have to discover, whether he was privy to it all or just doin what he was told.

But surely someone who is getting $200k extra under the table would have some worries...

 

[Rummy]

yep and if Tippet goes into the draft you'd think he'd get taken somewhere between # 8-14, which means all of our draft picks drop a further spot as well

 

[Visions]

It couldn't have happened unless Tippett agreed to do it

Yes, according to reports it was third party deals for the extra money, but they are allowed as long as the AFL approves it. Tippett can claim that he thought it was up to the Crows to verify it and as far as he was aware it was.

I suppose it will all come out in the end.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Okay I understand that Adelaide can be sanctioned for this, but why Tippett? He can claim all he was doing was signing a contract to get the best deal for himself, he wasn't to know that the Crows didn't register it with the AFL for salary cap purposes?

Like the Melbourne Storm fiasco a few years back. Club felt the full effects but the players weren't penalised from what I can remember.

He signed a contract which said that all terms of the agreement between parties are contained within the contract. Evidently there were additional terms of the agreement which were not contained within that contract... he tried to take the Crows to court in order to enforce them. Therefore he can't merely plead ignorance.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

It's hard to see them keeping their picks.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

Yes, according to reports it was third party deals for the extra money, but they are allowed as long as the AFL approves it. Tippett can claim that he thought it was up to the Crows to verify it and as far as he was aware it was.

I suppose it will all come out in the end.

There is a letter in existence to his Manager, suggesting the AFL not be told about the agreement.
He must have known.
All he has to do is to say no, put all those conditions in my contract. Had he done that, even if Adelaide didn't do it, he would be in the clear

 

[4#Didak#4]

I am not sure they will lose their picks as they "came clean" or so they claim. So finanical penalty I expect, unless the AFL want to make some sort of example of them. Not sure what will become of Tippett in the draft. Clubs still need to find the dollars for him and I am pretty sure Sydney is the only ones with pockets deep enough - maybe GWS.

Best case for us is GWS pick up Tippett at say 14 and Adelaide lose their picks or get shuffled to the back of the draft. This would be unexpected & effectively land us 16,17,19,37.

 

[peter9789]

I am not sure they will lose their picks as they "came clean" or so they claim. So finanical penalty I expect, unless the AFL want to make some sort of example of them. Not sure what will become of Tippett in the draft. Clubs still need to find the dollars for him and I am pretty sure Sydney is the only ones with pockets deep enough - maybe GWS.

Best case for us is GWS pick up Tippett at say 14 and Adelaide lose their picks or get shuffled to the back of the draft. This would be unexpected & effectively land us 16,17,19,37.

Actually that is really stretching the truth. They were clearly exposed the longer this went on and it is a clear manipulation of the draft when you have an off the table agreement to trade a player that is easily a best 22 player at most clubs being traded for a second round draft pick plus a dud player.

Then if you are to believe reports there is the $200k in additional payments supposed to have been offered.

Trust me Demetriou and the AFL commission will not go lightly on Adelaide and will want to make a clear point that this behaviour will never be tolerated and they will be heavily punished for this.

I'm guessing they will relinquish all of this years draft pick and excluded from any first round picks next year. This is an appropriate punishment. A fine will just be seen as a slap on the wrist.

 

[peter9789]

They are in deep sh!t basically.

Draft tampering and salary cap manipulation is as bad as it gets. Even though it is a one off instance (from what we know) the AFL commission will want to send a clear message that there will be serious ramifications.

I see the punishment like this. Lose all draft picks this year, and excluded from first round draft picks next year, plus a suspended fine. Secondly Trigg the CEO will be forced to step down, and likely that Tippett will be de-registered for 12 months (he was complicit in the deal). His manager will also lose his license.

The question then is will Tippetts old man pull the AFL into the Supreme court over restrain of trade if the AFL de - register his son.

Interesting times ahead.

 

[DermiesLuvChild]

Adelaide did not come clean in 2009 or 2010 or 2011 or the first 10 months of 2012.
They only came clean after the horse had bolted & it was obvious that the deal was going to be exposed by Tippets management (his dad !), with possible legal action. What were they thinking ! They have collectively blown the whistle on themselves & they will all pay the price. This is a snake pit of snake pits.

I hope that old man Clokey doesn't have any skeletons in the closet.

 

[Number 10]

The afl havE already stated that they will be able to compete in the draft. They said that inestigations won't be complete in time of the draft and hence they cannot make a decision on their punishment draft wise.

 

[TradeDraft]

They Blatantly Cheated with Tippett

 

[DermiesLuvChild]

Okay I understand that Adelaide can be sanctioned for this, but why Tippett? He can claim all he was doing was signing a contract to get the best deal for himself, he wasn't to know that the Crows didn't register it with the AFL for salary cap purposes?

Like the Melbourne Storm fiasco a few years back. Club felt the full effects but the players weren't penalised from what I can remember.

It's takes 2 to tango.......
Greed is good.......until someone becomes too greedy........looks as though the Tippetts were too greedy & tried to squeeze Adelaide by threatening to reveal the side deal?? Adelaide called their bluff & the whole thing has exploded in their faces (in slow motion).

 

[hot_pies81]

They are in deep sh!t basically.
I see the punishment like this. Lose all draft picks this year, and excluded from first round draft picks next year, plus a suspended fine. Secondly Trigg the CEO will be forced to step down, and likely that Tippett will be de-registered for 12 months (he was complicit in the deal). His manager will also lose his license.

Agree that the whole deal was deliberately undisclosed and very dodgy. Even still that penalty seems excessive. I was thinking Tippett may miss half the year rather than a full season. You get that for doping. I agree that the Crows will lose all their picks this year in national and pre season draft, but don't think it will extend into next year's draft. And why a suspended fine? I would have thought they would be emptying their wallets straight up.

 

[Son of Skeletor]

If Tippett is ruled eligible to play this coming season, I wonder if the Dogs would consider taking him at Pick 6 in the Draft?

Presumably Brisbane (#8), Richmond (#9) and Carlton (#11) would think seriously about him too, given they all need a key forward..

 

[Enforcer]

Surely this is a blessing in disguise for Collingwood.

If found guilty, Adelaide will at the very least be penalised by having drafts picks removed (ala the Filth in '02).

Guess what is their first round pick?

That's right, good ol' pick 20 which is tucked right in between Collingwood's pick 19 and 21.

Hine will be on a 4 week stiffy if he gets to pick 18, 19 and 20, three first round picks in a row!!!!

 

[Number 10]

No.

The AFL have stated that they will not have enough time to fully investigate the issue and thus will not pass any sanctions on this years draft. According to AFL tweet.

 

[JOELY]

Oh well, let's cross our fingers he gets to play next year and nominates for the National Draft.

On that, can anyone shed any light on the reasons why he would nominate for the nationaL draft over the pre-season one?

 

[Bonuspoints]

AFL will do something and it has to be fairly heavy and I could see them stripping the Crows of their first round pick. The crows lied and denied any hidden deals and look to have done some dodgey dealing with Tippett's brother. There has to be some heavy sanctions and taking away their first round draft pick is big whack.

 

[Pie_fan92]

Now as bad as the Cloke situation was for us this year, the Tippett one is a whole lot worse. I expect the AFL to come down on them like a tonne of bricks as a warning to any club that thinks they can manipulate the draft/salary cap.

 

[Beary17]

I'd rather not throw stones here.

This is the sort of situation where you hang a bunch of shit, only to have your own club suddenly exposed through utter stupidity.

I actually agree with you, put I put up with s**t all day every day from Crows supporters, so I'm happy to give it to them about this, cos wether I do or not I'm still gonna get it whenever we do something.

 

[Hva sher a]

No.

The AFL have stated that they will not have enough time to fully investigate the issue and thus will not pass any sanctions on this years draft. According to AFL tweet.

As much as I'd like to kick the Crows when they are down, the AFL are right (!!??) and have to investigate this first.
If I were Adelaide, I'd go the the AFL and ask that this year's first round pick is taken away, cop $$ fine and hope that's the end of it.
I reckon if the AFL does investigate fully, they will come down hard as they don't want to be seen as letting Adelaide get away with it in the 2012 draft.

Worst thing that could happen if for the Crows to be excluded from next year's draft. Although their list is good, it'll take a while to recover.

 

[vjknight]

as ed said, the one scenario that comes from this is another round of league investigators running their eyes over each clubs books, and more revelations at somewhere closer to home. hopefully, as you like to believe, eddie is fully aware of each deal and ensured everyone played by the rules.

suspended fine + draft pick losses for 2 years is a dintinct possibility, as is 6 game ban & fine for tippett, as greg williams got in 90 for similar issues while at the swans.