Toast Levi Casboult

[Silvagnis]

Watching those highlights alone would have you think this is a 600K player.

Amazing..

Hampson for a top ten pick.

Long way to go for Casboult who is a big bodied version of Brad Fisher who couldn't kick over a jam tin.

I'd give my eye teeth to have Mitchell fit and healthy alongside Waite, Hampson, Walker and Kreuzer. Or Henderson there due to Watson making CHB his own.

 

[Blue since 72]

Just to be clear, by sacrifice I mean 'not in the senior team so much', not 'lets trade him'.

I could see the boys we have getting the job done as long as they stay on the park, but Mick's comments re getting Cloke would suggest he thinks otherwise.

 

[The Coach]

Hampson for a top ten pick.

Long way to go for Casboult who is a big bodied version of Brad Fisher who couldn't kick over a jam tin.

I'd give my eye teeth to have Mitchell fit and healthy alongside Waite, Hampson, Walker and Kreuzer. Or Henderson there due to Watson making CHB his own.

Or you could even have Levi there - if you had not already decided you could not have both Hammer and Levi in your favs stable LOL

Lucky MM has come along or else Hammer (and Mitch) would have been behind Levi in the pecking order after his good fini to the year

Did you really need to have a shot at Fish just to pot a kid AND all in an attempt to boost the stocks of your boy (is he the attraction or are you really a Megan Gale fan?)

 

[Silvagnis]

Meh.

 

[The Coach]

Meg

 

[gbatman]

Can very confidently say, that unless we have injuries, Waite and Casboult will be in our best 22 and that Henderson will be playing in defence.

The only questions is:

Will we get Cloke. If we do that means Casboult is guaranteed to play as a forward/part time ruckman.
or
Will Casboult play perminant key position and Hampson in the pocket as a part time ruckman.
or
Will Casboult be the part time ruckman and will Mitchell play.

Under no sircumstances will Kreuzer and Warnock play long periods of time up forward. Warnock hasn't got the body and hands to be a good forward and has proved he can't play there. Kreuzer has a very poor tall game, marking is his weakness and has trouble with his one on one body work and judgement and protection of the drop zone. Both are pure ruckmen and nothing more.

If I was a betting man I would say that Hampson will be our forward pocket and Casboult and Waite our perminant key forwards. I think at times during the year there will be injuries, particularly to Waite and Mitchell will play a bit and Casboult may ruck a little too. Depends on how Mitchell and probably Hampson are playing as to how we structure up.

I love the idea of Casboult Waite and Hampson. For a start they are all good marking options and gives us two very good marking key position players. It also gives us security for an in game injury to a ruckman.

Casboult is going to be a massive part of our 2013 campaign, will likely play every match. Possibly between he and Waite for best hands at the club.

 

[Dramoth]

Can very confidently say, that unless we have injuries, Waite and Casboult will be in our best 22 and that Henderson will be playing in defence.

The only questions is:

Will we get Cloke. If we do that means Casboult is guaranteed to play as a forward/part time ruckman.
or
Will Casboult play perminant key position and Hampson in the pocket as a part time ruckman.
or
Will Casboult be the part time ruckman and will Mitchell play.

Under no sircumstances will Kreuzer and Warnock play long periods of time up forward. Warnock hasn't got the body and hands to be a good forward and has proved he can't play there. Kreuzer has a very poor tall game, marking is his weakness and has trouble with his one on one body work and judgement and protection of the drop zone. Both are pure ruckmen and nothing more.

If I was a betting man I would say that Hampson will be our forward pocket and Casboult and Waite our perminant key forwards. I think at times during the year there will be injuries, particularly to Waite and Mitchell will play a bit and Casboult may ruck a little too. Depends on how Mitchell and probably Hampson are playing as to how we structure up.

I love the idea of Casboult Waite and Hampson. For a start they are all good marking options and gives us two very good marking key position players. It also gives us security for an in game injury to a ruckman.

Casboult is going to be a massive part of our 2013 campaign, will likely play every match. Possibly between he and Waite for best hands at the club.

I also seriously like the way that Cas isnt afraid to crash packs and leave bodies everywhere... including his own if needs be.

The club will be seriously working on his ball drop and kicking action over the summer... and he has shown that he can roost the ball a country mile with his snap from the 50 on the boundary line. It's just a question of accuracy and form. If he starts getting a lot of games, then he will settle down and he has proved that he wants to make it at the club just because of the way he approaches his training.

 

[gbatman]

I also seriously like the way that Cas isnt afraid to crash packs and leave bodies everywhere... including his own if needs be.

The club will be seriously working on his ball drop and kicking action over the summer... and he has shown that he can roost the ball a country mile with his snap from the 50 on the boundary line. It's just a question of accuracy and form. If he starts getting a lot of games, then he will settle down and he has proved that he wants to make it at the club just because of the way he approaches his training.

Yep, really impressed with how he uses his body. Will make opponants earn it and makes them wear it if they get in his way. He does a great job protecting the drop zone and is hard to shift. I recon his kicking action and ball drop is pretty good. Except sometimes he leans/falls back a bit and bends/buckles in his left leg. Perhaps his PCL injury was causing problems. Perhaps his run up is a little to straight and short too.

 

[BlueTongue]

Yep, really impressed with how he uses his body. Will make opponants earn it and makes them wear it if they get in his way. He does a great job protecting the drop zone and is hard to shift. I recon his kicking action and ball drop is pretty good. Except sometimes he leans/falls back a bit and bends/buckles in his left leg. Perhaps his PCL injury was causing problems. Perhaps his run up is a little to straight and short too.

Love the way Casboult goes about it. That snap from the boundary was very Earl Spalding-esk. I think we need to Trade Hampson while he still has Value, get another inside mid, and persevere with Levi up forward. If Cloke comes in then Hampson definitely has to go. MG or No MG.

 

[Dramoth]

Yep, really impressed with how he uses his body. Will make opponants earn it and makes them wear it if they get in his way. He does a great job protecting the drop zone and is hard to shift. I recon his kicking action and ball drop is pretty good. Except sometimes he leans/falls back a bit and bends/buckles in his left leg. Perhaps his PCL injury was causing problems. Perhaps his run up is a little to straight and short too.

His run up is fine and he does swing his leg a bit from right to left and kicks across the ball. But he also holds the ball in a similar fashion to Fev and with his action, he tends to draw the ball from right to left. You could see in his last game, he was trying to correct this by starting out right but somehow, he also managed to correct the ball drop and kick and the balls would stay right instead of going on their usual right to left trajectory.

This kicking action is correctable and will make him a serious weapon for us next year.

I am drooling at the thought of him, kicking straight, roaming our forward 50 smashing packs and giving the opposition defenders the rag doll treatment in one on one situations.

If we get Cloke, I can imagine that we will use Waite as more of a lead up linking tall forward rather than a stay at home option. Two very good tall marking options in the forward 50...

 

[gbatman]

Love the way Casboult goes about it. That snap from the boundary was very Earl Spalding-esk. I think we need to Trade Hampson while he still has Value, get another inside mid, and persevere with Levi up forward. If Cloke comes in then Hampson definitely has to go. MG or No MG.

Hampson should have huge trade value. He is a very rare commodity and plays one of the most important roles on a footy field. We are very lucky to have two decent forwards who can also ruck. We would have to get a very good player for him. The thing is both he and Casboult are injury prone so having backup is very important. If we trade Hampson and Casboult gets injured then we have no replacement and that's the sort of thing that could derail our season and cost us a premiership. Then on the other hand if we get a really good midfielder, that's the sort of thing that could make us premiership contenders. I'd jump at a good trade for Warnock however.

 

[gbatman]

His run up is fine and he does swing his leg a bit from right to left and kicks across the ball. But he also holds the ball in a similar fashion to Fev and with his action, he tends to draw the ball from right to left. You could see in his last game, he was trying to correct this by starting out right but somehow, he also managed to correct the ball drop and kick and the balls would stay right instead of going on their usual right to left trajectory.

This kicking action is correctable and will make him a serious weapon for us next year.

I am drooling at the thought of him, kicking straight, roaming our forward 50 smashing packs and giving the opposition defenders the rag doll treatment in one on one situations.

If we get Cloke, I can imagine that we will use Waite as more of a lead up linking tall forward rather than a stay at home option. Two very good tall marking options in the forward 50...

Very little doubt about him, he'll be good. Just recon that there is an issue with that left leg being bent when he kicks and I recon it unstablizes him a bit. I recon he needs to run a bit more of an arc and kick slightly more around his body to achieve that right to left hook. The idea of holding the ball like that is to ensure that he is holding it over the top of his kicking leg and not holding it in the middle of his body. does work for some.

If Waite gets pretty fit then he'd be a good option for CHF and pushing up the ground a bit more.

 

[BlueTongue]

Hampson should have huge trade value. He is a very rare commodity and plays one of the most important roles on a footy field. We are very lucky to have two decent forwards who can also ruck. We would have to get a very good player for him. The thing is both he and Casboult are injury prone so having backup is very important. If we trade Hampson and Casboult gets injured then we have no replacement and that's the sort of thing that could derail our season and cost us a premiership. Then on the other hand if we get a really good midfielder, that's the sort of thing that could make us premiership contenders. I'd jump at a good trade for Warnock however.

The reason I'd trade Hampson instead of Warnock is that the latter has proven he can carry the No.1 ruck spot, by himself and still do a very good job at providing a contest. I don't think Hampson could. There is also the chance we could get a lot more for Hampson from a QLD based side, whereas Warnock wouldn't attract the $$/Pick value. The unfortunate thing is all 3 of our ruckmen are injury prone. But all the while we have one continually out of the side, we are losing valuable trade value. We have enough big lads that could pinch-hit in the ruck and we no longer are served having 3 ruckmen.

 

[The_Wookie]

The reason I'd trade Hampson instead of Warnock is that the latter has proven he can carry the No.1 ruck spot, by himself and still do a very good job at providing a contest. I don't think Hampson could. There is also the chance we could get a lot more for Hampson from a QLD based side, whereas Warnock wouldn't attract the $$/Pick value. The unfortunate thing is all 3 of our ruckmen are injury prone. But all the while we have one continually out of the side, we are losing valuable trade value. We have enough big lads that could pinch-hit in the ruck and we no longer are served having 3 ruckmen.

No reason he couldnt carry the no 1 ruck spot by himself? Ffs i get tired of repeating myself. At a 52% win rate and 26% to advantage, His ruckwork was rated as better than all other ruckmanin the competition but Ryder and Sandilands after round 3. "Phenomenal numbers for a 'second string' ruckman" according to the heraldsun. Has had season ending injuries the last two years in mid season AND STILL BEEN ON THE PARK MORE THAN WARNOCK in that time.

You'll have noticed of course that Hampson not only had 31 hitouts against Giles when we played GWS (Giles being fairly highly rated btw), he kicked 3 goals as well including one on the run from outside 50.

He remains the only real ruckman we have capable of being a forward target. He remains the only ruckman we have that can jump AT ALL. For all his faults he remains the second best contested mark in the side for players who've had more than SIX goddamned games under their belt.

 

[BlueTongue]

No reason he couldnt carry the no 1 ruck spot by himself? Ffs i get tired of repeating myself. At a 52% win rate and 26% to advantage, His ruckwork was rated as better than all other ruckmanin the competition but Ryder and Sandilands after round 3. "Phenomenal numbers for a 'second string' ruckman" according to the heraldsun. Has had season ending injuries the last two years in mid season AND STILL BEEN ON THE PARK MORE THAN WARNOCK in that time.

You'll have noticed of course that Hampson not only had 31 hitouts against Giles when we played GWS (Giles being fairly highly rated btw), he kicked 3 goals as well including one on the run from outside 50.

He remains the only real ruckman we have capable of being a forward target. He remains the only ruckman we have that can jump AT ALL. For all his faults he remains the second best contested mark in the side for players who've had more than SIX goddamned games under their belt.

I would argue that those stats would be HEAVILY based on 2nd String Ruckman VS 2nd String Ruckman/Pinch Hitter, rather than rucking a whole game. In fact I can only remember 2 or three games where he rucked as the No.1. A bit different to Warnock who rucked a good chunk of the season without Kreuser & Hampson. Stats can be manipulated to favor anyone from a specific point of view. I would also argue that in those 6 games, this lad has shown more potential than Hampson did in his first 6.

 

[BlueTongue]

I would argue that those stats would be HEAVILY based on 2nd String Ruckman VS 2nd String Ruckman/Pinch Hitter, rather than rucking a whole game. In fact I can only remember 2 or three games where he rucked as the No.1. A bit different to Warnock who rucked a good chunk of the season without Kreuser & Hampson. Stats can be manipulated to favor anyone from a specific point of view. I would also argue that in those 6 games, this lad has shown more potential than Hampson did in his first 6.

...Besides, Warnock has a fair chunk of contract left and Hampson is doing nothing for us while recovering from injury. Trade value would be worth more tthan retaining him.

 

[The_Wookie]

...Besides, Warnock has a fair chunk of contract left and Hampson is doing nothing for us while recovering from injury. Trade value would be worth more tthan retaining him.

Wait so we can ignore Hampsons 2 years of contract left because Warnock has 3?

 

[The_Wookie]

I would argue that those stats would be HEAVILY based on 2nd String Ruckman VS 2nd String Ruckman/Pinch Hitter, rather than rucking a whole game. In fact I can only remember 2 or three games where he rucked as the No.1. A bit different to Warnock who rucked a good chunk of the season without Kreuser & Hampson. Stats can be manipulated to favor anyone from a specific point of view. I would also argue that in those 6 games, this lad has shown more potential than Hampson did in his first 6.

Sandilands is a pinchhitter? Ryder wasnt pinch hitting when this comparison was made.

 

[Jimthegreat]

Wait so we can ignore Hampsons 2 years of contract left because Warnock has 3?

Warnock $$$$ would be bigger hence we'd have to probably pay partially for him to be at another club. He's a alot better actual ruckman than Hampson. Let's leave that in no doubt. Successfully took on both Cox and Nic Nat in last year's final on top of other great finals he's played. Never fit this year to judge. Like Hammer but we do have one ruckman too many under the current system where one ruckman will ruck for 85% of the game. We have player's similar to Hampson, who can actually play KP (and will only be needed for short periods in the ruck, while Warnock is 206cm and will, like many of that build, will be alot better in the 2nd half of their career. So given Hammer's probably on less $$$$ then Warnock, and just for 2 years, he's easier to trade.

 

[Jimthegreat]

Can very confidently say, that unless we have injuries, Waite and Casboult will be in our best 22 and that Henderson will be playing in defence.

The only questions is:

Will we get Cloke. If we do that means Casboult is guaranteed to play as a forward/part time ruckman.
or
Will Casboult play perminant key position and Hampson in the pocket as a part time ruckman.
or
Will Casboult be the part time ruckman and will Mitchell play.

Under no sircumstances will Kreuzer and Warnock play long periods of time up forward. Warnock hasn't got the body and hands to be a good forward and has proved he can't play there. Kreuzer has a very poor tall game, marking is his weakness and has trouble with his one on one body work and judgement and protection of the drop zone. Both are pure ruckmen and nothing more.

If I was a betting man I would say that Hampson will be our forward pocket and Casboult and Waite our perminant key forwards. I think at times during the year there will be injuries, particularly to Waite and Mitchell will play a bit and Casboult may ruck a little too. Depends on how Mitchell and probably Hampson are playing as to how we structure up.

I love the idea of Casboult Waite and Hampson. For a start they are all good marking options and gives us two very good marking key position players. It also gives us security for an in game injury to a ruckman.

Casboult is going to be a massive part of our 2013 campaign, will likely play every match. Possibly between he and Waite for best hands at the club.

Actually, the wildcard maybe Rowe now he's healthy. Won't have to be "the" key forward with Waite and Casboult there. That support might bring alot out of him without that pressure and might slot nicely in CHF next to Waite. Just theoretical at this point but worth thinking about.

 

[Jimthegreat]

Hampson for a top ten pick.

Long way to go for Casboult who is a big bodied version of Brad Fisher who couldn't kick over a jam tin.

I'd give my eye teeth to have Mitchell fit and healthy alongside Waite, Hampson, Walker and Kreuzer. Or Henderson there due to Watson making CHB his own.

Can't kick over a jam tin? Never seen a couple of his bombs from outside 50 in the VFL. He doesn't kick through the ball when shooting for goal from close range. Been a few with that problem over time.

 

[gbatman]

Actually, the wildcard maybe Rowe now he's healthy. Won't have to be "the" key forward with Waite and Casboult there. That support might bring alot out of him without that pressure and might slot nicely in CHF next to Waite. Just theoretical at this point but worth thinking about.

yep I agree, liked what i saw in his brief appearance in 2012. Strikes me as a guy who can cover the KMs and run and run but might lack a bit of strength and size but will make up for it as he uses his body and what he has fairly smart. Kicking also could be an issue.

If things go right we could go from rags to riches regardless if we got cloke or not in 2013.

 

[King of Ruin]

who couldn't kick over a jam tin.

That's one tough jam tin

 

[T2B_]

Reckon Cas could roost one from 70 on his day.

Accuracy is his problem, not distance like Fisher who struggled to kick over 40 in his latter days

 

[Jimthegreat]

yep I agree, liked what i saw in his brief appearance in 2012. Strikes me as a guy who can cover the KMs and run and run but might lack a bit of strength and size but will make up for it as he uses his body and what he has fairly smart. Kicking also could be an issue.

If things go right we could go from rags to riches regardless if we got cloke or not in 2013.

Especially only having to take the 3rd tall option. Others there up forward just takes that pressure off him. I think he is a decent size and pretty strong in the body. He did alot of rucking with his SA club.