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35Daicos said:
The Wikipedia page for this chap does have another problem, as it suggests the Carlton player went on to become a star for Port Adelaide over many years:
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Good spot. I've separated them, rather than just deleting the Port stuff, as the Port dude is far more notable than the 1 game Carlton guy.
Interestingly, the 1922 DOB for Carlton guy was there from article creation in 2013. Maybe the AFL Encyc got it right.
 
Summary:
I'm looking for Birth/Death details for Richmond's Jim Digby (VFA 1892-93), Norman Digby (RFC Juniors 1920), A Digby (VFA 1893-94).

Background
In 1920 for Richmond Juniors, there was a Norman Digby playing. He didn't play Senior football for us. http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article242496442
He was the son of Jim Digby, who I have playing for Richmond VFA 1892-1893.
Richmond Guardian at the time also says Jim captained East Richmond and Vaucluse
It also seems at one point Norman Digby was listed as Ron. https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/255881934 That may be an error, or nickname or middle name

If anyone comes across BDM details for Jim Digby, and or Norm Digby please advise.

It seems in 1893-94 we also had an A. Digby playing for us (perhaps Alfred, or an Alex, with nickname "Peggy")
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FOOTBALL—RICHMOND'S STAR PLAYERS - The Australasian (Melbourne, Vic. : 1864 - 1946) - 8 Jun 1940

CRADLED in the Richmond paddock, the Australian game of football has grown into a strong, virile sport, which, in the face of ...
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Now A Digby and Jim Digby may be brothers - so its possible A Digby could be Alfred Henry Digby born 1871 in Richmond,
as I think he had a brother called James Digby born 1867 in Collingwood. But did that James have a son called Norman? Cause that will connect them all together
 
Alf and Jim Digby brothers http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article255871349

Alfred Henry obit http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article203835331

Alfred Henry Digby b 1871 to Robert Digby and Mary Brusnahan (and other spellings) died 1934

James Digby born 1867 to Robert and Mary Bruneham (and other spellings) died 1940

James obit http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article11320068 wife Frances children Norman, Charles , Joseph , Eileen , Ethel , Beryl , Violet , Olive and Myrtle

Checking Vic BDM we find these children born between 1893 to 1909 to James and Frances nee Foulds

James is born James NORBURN 1893 - this middle names is repeated in his AIF notice - hardly a ''lad'' in 1921

So yes I would conclude the above is matched
 
GreyCrow said:
Alf and Jim Digby brothers http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article255871349

So yes I would conclude the above is matched
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Grey, thanks for your assistance with that. I've added those details to my VFA list https://tigerlandarchive.org/tiki-index.php?page=VFA+Players
That all looks good - but a query - are you suggesting that Norman Digby, who played for Richmond Juniors in 1920, is born James Norburn Digby in 1893.
(and dying in 1959 in Camberwell, aged 65).

James Norburn's other brothers were Joseph Caton Digby b1900, Charles Arnold Digby b1896. Neither of those names match the "Norman", but strangely you are right to be skeptical that James Norburn is the Norman we seek, because the "lad" would have been 28 in 1921.

Btw, Alfred Digby , died 29 April 1934, in South Melbourne.
 
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Your 1911 article you linked too (which funnily enough I financed to digitise only a few months ago), also shows
F Detheridge as a former Vaucluse player.

For 1893 season, Richmond VFA has a F. Deathbridge playing a couple of game. Pennings Vol 5. lists him as E. Dethbridge, and this 1911 article says F. Detheridge. This guy continues to be a puzzle, particularly because of his spelling.
I hope the digitisation of the 1893 Richmond Guardian down the track might solve it
 
rbartlett said:
Grey, thanks for your assistance with that. I've added those details to my VFA list https://tigerlandarchive.org/tiki-index.php?page=VFA+Players
That all looks good - but a query - are you suggesting that Norman Digby, who played for Richmond Juniors in 1920, is born James Norburn Digby in 1893.
(and dying in 1959 in Camberwell, aged 65).

James Norburn's other brothers were Joseph Caton Digby b1900, Charles Arnold Digby b1896. Neither of those names match the "Norman", but strangely you are right to be skeptical that James Norburn is the Norman we seek, because the "lad" would have been 28 in 1921.

Btw, Alfred Digby , died 29 April 1934, in South Melbourne.
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Of the matching births and matching names in the obit - and they match precisely - I cant see any other reason for it NOT to be James Norburn. I can see the son using the middle name to differentiate from father. I can see Norburn - either at birth or at childhood - to be misheard as Norman.

James jr served 3 1/2 years in the Ambulance Service in World War 1-

The only other explanation - and it is at odds with the newspaper article - is that we have 2 different Jim sr and son Norman

More digging is required because the use of 'lad' is disconcerting
 
rbartlett said:
Your 1911 article you linked too (which funnily enough I financed to digitise only a few months ago), also shows
F Detheridge as a former Vaucluse player.

For 1893 season, Richmond VFA has a F. Deathbridge playing a couple of game. Pennings Vol 5. lists him as E. Dethbridge, and this 1911 article says F. Detheridge. This guy continues to be a puzzle, particularly because of his spelling.
I hope the digitisation of the 1893 Richmond Guardian down the track might solve it
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Pennings Vol. 4 has F. Dethbridge playing 8 games for Richmond in 1893, yet says E. Dethbridge was a recruit from Vaucluse that year. It has just Dethbridge as a departure (country) in 1894.

Vic BDM has an Edward and a Frank Dethridge born in Richmond (to the same parents) at about the right time (for one of them) to be your player:
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rbartlett said:
Your 1911 article you linked too (which funnily enough I financed to digitise only a few months ago), also shows
F Detheridge as a former Vaucluse player.

For 1893 season, Richmond VFA has a F. Deathbridge playing a couple of game. Pennings Vol 5. lists him as E. Dethbridge, and this 1911 article says F. Detheridge. This guy continues to be a puzzle, particularly because of his spelling.
I hope the digitisation of the 1893 Richmond Guardian down the track might solve it
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I'd be fairly surprised if Frank Dethridge is not the Richmond 1893 player. A player named Dethridge is a star for Rovers in the West Australian Football Association in 1894, which would fit in well enough (with his having left Richmond FC after the 1893 season - the name doesn't show up for that WA club prior to 1894, but I can't find a permit, unfortunately). There's also an F. Dethridge who plays cricket for a team in Perth in early 1895 - another article says the game was between two teams of Victorians living in Perth, so I think a lot of things match.
 
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35Daicos said:
I'd be fairly surprised if Frank Dethridge is not the Richmond 1893 player. A player named Dethridge is a star for Rovers in the West Australian Football Association in 1894, which would fit in well enough (with his having left Richmond FC after the 1893 season - the name doesn't show up for that WA club prior to 1894, but I can't find a permit, unfortunately). There's also an F. Dethridge who plays cricket for a team in Perth in early 1895 - another article says the game was between two teams of Victorians living in Perth, so I think a lot of things match.
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Thank you. Ive add those details to my VFA players page. One less unknown player now solved!

Tigerland Archive | VFA Players

Tigerland Archive
tigerlandarchive.org tigerlandarchive.org
 
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Anyone heard from WhiteHartLane23?

Cause there's the spreadsheet myself, he (and Croucher) has access too - so we may need to send off the recent changes to Stephen R at AFL sometime soon to get them to work on the changes from their end
 
Just saw this in the GF Record.

Eggmolesse-Smith and Aarts are seated in the right spots but their names are flipped.
 

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Lemon Boi said:
Greetings from a rookie.

Can you wise old gents explain how Peter McKenna scored 17 times from 16 kicks in this match?
(https://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/1971/040619710424.html)
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Cheers, Lemon Boi :lemon:
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Here's the match report from The Age: https://news.google.com.au/newspapers?nid=MDQ-9Oe3GGUC&dat=19710426&printsec=frontpage&hl=en
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It has him scoring 10.7 and all 3 of his handballs leading to goals, so it may well be that they miscounted the number of kicks he had that day! I did think one of his handballs may have gone astray and gone through for a point, but that seemingly didn't happen!
 
Lemon Boi said:
The third paragraph suggests he was 0.6 from seven shots at one point. So he must have kicked 10.1 thereafter from only nine shots. What a legend.
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Yes, it should mean that he had at least 18 kicks - 17 that scored, one that didn't.

The Rd. 5 Football Record mentions McKenna's 10-goal haul, but says nothing about the number of missed shots/kicks that he had.
 
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The Richmond Football Club announced changes today to its historical Best and Fairest list.
www.richmondfc.com.au

Historical records amended after investigation

Richmond’s History and Tradition Committee has completed a thorough investigation into the Club’s best and fairest award winners pre-1940, after some anomalies were brought to the attention of the Club Board.
www.richmondfc.com.au www.richmondfc.com.au

(side note: I still had Ray Martin as the 1934 recipient, but seems that not to be the case. I'll follow up further to confirm that decision)
 
Whoever our Wikipedia updater is, will need to make the relevant changes affecting all the Richmond players listed in the above article.
 
rbartlett said:
Whoever our Wikipedia updater is, will need to make the relevant changes affecting all the Richmond players listed in the above article.
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I went to do it, but it's a fairly big change, isn't it! Do you think the "old" names should be kept in a separate list as "removed in 2019, added in 1980" or similar? Probably need a story written somewhere explaining how they got added in the first place.

And I agree with you about 1934... http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article243085389
 
ThePope said:
I went to do it, but it's a fairly big change, isn't it! Do you think the "old" names should be kept in a separate list as "removed in 2019, added in 1980" or similar? Probably need a story written somewhere explaining how they got added in the first place.

And I agree with you about 1934... http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article243085389
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Well I think in the Jack Dyer Medal wiki page there could be a paragraph explaining that xxx years were added retrospectively to the Best and Fairest list in 1988 and 1993, and subsequently removed in November 2019 after an investigation by the Richmond Historical Committee, that was approved by the board.


Or something like that
 
As there seemed to be some doubt about the DOB of West Coast's Brayden Ainsworth I have checked with Michael Lovett (Football Record). He got in touch with West Coast and it has been confirmed that the DOB is 21/11/1998.

Oliver Gigacz || *Paul*

This has been a bit of a confusing one, as some sources have had 21/11/1998 and others 27/11/1998 since the player entered the AFL. Last year I queried the DOB that was shown in the Season Guide, and on the updates page they "corrected" it, saying that it should be 27/11/98. In 2019 it was still shown in the book as 21/11/98. The 2019 Grand Final Football Record has 27/11/98, but the 2019 Fantasy edition has the other DOB. His page on the West Coast website has 21/11/98, though I can see from an old email (of mine) that at one stage they had 27/11/98.

Hope this clears that up!
 
Richmond have officially updated their B+F lists on their website now - if you need to use that as a reference when updating the respective B+F player bios on wikipedia
www.richmondfc.com.au

Official AFL Website of the Richmond Football Club

Official AFL Website of the Richmond Football Club
www.richmondfc.com.au www.richmondfc.com.au
 
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