NFL Lockout 'A Certainty'

[Tassie19Cairns20]

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You've totally misunderstood both stories here T19C20. Be more open minded to other options.

Firstly, Mendenhall, does not praise OBL. Just questions why people have to celebrate his death without knowing him (open to interpretation) and how building 7 collapsed without being hit by plane which most Americans don't want to know (the alleged truth) anyway.

Ray Lewis isn't as nasty as many care to make him out.
Sure the murder plea bargaining got him off but consider that police details were too sketchy and implications of other persons involved, whether they were more a threat to society is what seems to the investigation arriving to a sound conclusion. No point jumping to conclusions because a player you don't like was within the vicinity of the crime scene.

That's where I'm saying that Ray Lewis is warning the media and whoever cares to understand the situation that a Lockout can have serious consequences. No point bundling two separate allegations of perceived wrongs as bad as each other.

Eh....I guess I could be more open minded towards Ray Lewis' statement, but Rashard Mendenhall's statements were insensitive, ignorant, and moronic. Agents should have wording in contracts to not allow use of twitter. Ultimately it's costing him $$$$. Who is going to give endorsement $$$ to a guy who thinks 9/11 was a conspiracy? Nobody. (And I don't think he mentioned anything about Building 7.) Social Media(especially twittter) is allowing professional athletes to show their ignorance unlike ever before.

 

[Woodson]

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Go to the Steeler team board that features Mendenhall's blog of explanation. Had someone told Mendenhall that 9/11- politics is a taboo subject to discuss, he may have given his twitter moment a second thought but you gotta say that Rashard exercised his right to the First amendment (part of), freedom of speech.

Getting back to the thread topic now.

Kurt Warner expects the players to give in. But some players are not pleased to hear that.

NFL Gridiron Gab.com

 

[Woodson]

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Coaches weighing in their support for players.

the gist of the article..

“Preparation is a coach’s currency, and coaches rely heavily on the offseason to prepare their players for the season,” the NFLCA said. “If the NFL’s lockout denies coaches the necessary time with players, coaches will be significantly more limited in their ability to prepare their teams and to prove their value as coaches.”

The NFLCA said no amount of financial damages could compensate for the time lost this offseason, so they asked the 8th Circuit to uphold Judge Susan Richard Nelson’s injunction of the lockout to allow the players and coaches to get back to work.

NFL Yahoo.com

 

[Woodson]

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As some may know that IMHO, Jason Cole from Yahoo NFL .com fame is the voice of reason.

Here is what he suggested and NFL Owners spokesperson, Jeff Pash, said '...solution may actually WORK!!"

but this is the gist of the article...

If the owners don’t respond to that kind of offer, then the players and the public will know they are full of it.

NFL Yahoo.com

This is the homework Goodell the goose should be working on. Thank goodness for Jason Cole!!

 

[exe ex machina]

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I like the proposal from the guy who lost the vote to DeMaurice Smith for the NFLPA job. I forget his name.

His idea back then was for the NFL to be floated on the stock exchange, and players receiving shares of the total revenue.

 

[Woodson]

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I like the proposal from the guy who lost the vote to DeMaurice Smith for the NFLPA job. I forget his name.

His idea back then was for the NFL to be floated on the stock exchange, and players receiving shares of the total revenue.

Investing in the NFL.. hmmmm, that's something completely different. Was the guy, Troy Vincent?? ex Miami Dolphin DB? I think he's a better qualified NFL Commissioner than Goodell actually.

 

[exe ex machina]

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David Cornwell, and here's his actual proposal.

Other industries have solved this problem by paying an employee/partner with a blend of salary and equity in the form of stock options. The NFLPA and the NFL must challenge themselves to develop a new compensation model that creates for the NFL player a form of compensation that is the functional equivalent of the salary/stock option compensation model that has worked well in other industries. This approach eases NFL owners from the financial burden created by using current revenues both to invest in the business and as the sole source of player compensation. This approach also preserves NFL players’ legitimate expectation that they be compensated for their continued investment in the game. NFL players may be more inclined to increase their investment in the game if their ability to receive a return on their investment is preserved regardless of the year in which the return on their investment is realized.

 

[Brasher]

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Thanks GG.

The immediate thought I have with a proposed stock option for players is that the NFL is all about parity.

However, values of franchises is not and and in some case, like Green Bay, not even consistent in ownership model. The issue arises that a free agent may be attracted to a club because one franchises share options is better value than another.....simply big market versus small market economics at play.

This can be a way around the salary cap and provides an advantage to clubs who are in the best situation to grow their own brand and franchise value.

 

[balmainforever]

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Thanks GG.

The immediate thought I have with a proposed stock option for players is that the NFL is all about parity.

However, values of franchises is not and and in some case, like Green Bay, not even consistent in ownership model. The issue arises that a free agent may be attracted to a club because one franchises share options is better value than another.....simply big market versus small market economics at play.

This can be a way around the salary cap and provides an advantage to clubs who are in the best situation to grow their own brand and franchise value.

..... and we're back to the European Soccer model where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Full Free Agency with no salary cap in any form would immediately kill off Green Bay for a start.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

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Just a question. why can't they push the season start forward to start of October and have SB start of March if needed??

 

[drd23]

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Just a question. why can't they push the season start forward to start of October and have SB start of March if needed??

Logistics I would assume

 

[Brasher]

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Yes, it is pretty much about logistics.

The league season starts in March so the risk is that the 2011 season would actually run into the 2012 season compromising that season. Has all sorts of impacts on player contracts, free agency, front office activities, media rights, sponsorships etc.

 

[manureid]

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The lockout is really starting to cook my goose now. I have that need for FA signings, Fantasy drafts and all things NFL, but i aint gettin' it!!!

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

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Yes, it is pretty much about logistics.

The league season starts in March so the risk is that the 2011 season would actually run into the 2012 season compromising that season. Has all sorts of impacts on player contracts, free agency, front office activities, media rights, sponsorships etc.

They could negotiate one month extensions re contracts, but yeah fair enough, could pose a few headaches.

The lockout is really starting to cook my goose now. I have that need for FA signings, Fantasy drafts and all things NFL, but i aint gettin' it!!!

Yeah you realise how much you miss the game. Be pissed off if season is cut short or if they somehow **** it all up by destroying parity or something like that.

 

[Burningleviathan]

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Apparently mediation for next weekhas been called off by the court mediator. In secret talks for an agreement or something atm. Looks like it might be over soon. *Fingers crossed*

 

[Woodson]

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I'm glad you've got SA covered with your **crossed fingers** there Burninglevi.

From what I understand and taking the jist of the article here to the third straight day of negotiations seems to be picking up some momentum now..

Both sides issued statements saying they would honor a court-ordered confidentiality agreement. ....there is an urgency to push forward.

ps: I've got my **fingers crossed** here in Victoria, so rest assured we have 2 states covered now.

 

[Tassie19Cairns20]

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Today is a HUGE day for the NFL and the players in court. Three judges will hear arguments today from both sides, and come to a decision in a few weeks. This may also be a big day at the negotiating table, because if either side thinks their performance in the courtroom isn't up to par, they may be tempted to cave a little bit at the negotiating table.

I expect it to go in the owners favor. Two of the three judges, Steven Colloton and Duane Benton, are pretty conservative and were appointed by George W. Bush. Their judgement record tends to favor the business over the individual. Judge Kermit Bye will probably side with the players, but it won't be enough.

 

[BeinPurplenGreen]

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Today is a HUGE day for the NFL and the players in court. Three judges will hear arguments today from both sides, and come to a decision in a few weeks. This may also be a big day at the negotiating table, because if either side thinks their performance in the courtroom isn't up to par, they may be tempted to cave a little bit at the negotiating table.

I expect it to go in the owners favor. Two of the three judges, Steven Colloton and Duane Benton, are pretty conservative and were appointed by George W. Bush. Their judgement record tends to favor the business over the individual. Judge Kermit Bye will probably side with the players, but it won't be enough.

Surely that isn't the dude's real name???

Does he come into court dressed like this??

At least he'd be the first judge to admit to being someone's puppet.

And he clearly understands what will happen if the dispute drags on:

On reflection, given the disgracefully pathetic drama queens and histrionic theatrics that have been deployed by both sides thus far, it is somehow appropriate that a character from the Muppets will help decide the outcome...

 

[exe ex machina]

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So what was the point of the NFL opting out of the last CBA and forcing a lockout….and what was the point of the NFLPA decertifiying and starting multiple suits…..if they end up just agreeing to a win-win deal now? Before the Eighth Circuit rules? A ‘win-win’ deal that would be pretty much exactly like the old CBA was.

Imo, the players (and their lawyers), and the NFL (and their lawyers) have gone too far in their plans and bunkered down in their war rooms for their bigger picture, that we won’t see a CBA agreed to soon. Otherwise, again, it was all pointless.

 

[drd23]

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Or maybe the owners and prominent players have finally realised that the true winners if the court cases proceed are the lawyers and not themselves and therefore decided to kick the lawyers out of the room and try to work something out themselves

 

[exe ex machina]

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That's part of my point why....because both parties invested a ton of money into their lawyer teams for a reason. To stop now would be pointless. The NFL and NFLPA both started their litigations with a bigger picture in mind -- NFL: to lower their player overheads and increase profit margin; NFLPA: to achieve the anti-trust result. A win-lose outcome. So to agree to a win-win now was a huge waste of time, money, resources, and fan alienation. The NFL instigated all this by opting out of the CBA because of their bigger picture. So if they agree now to a win-win that replicates the previous CBA, then it was pointless. And it'll mean 4 years from now the whole thing will start again - opting out of CBAs, lockouts, anti-trust case.

Why i think this time they'll both go right thru the court processes...including more appeals and petitions against appeals when a party loses a hearing here and there.

 

[drd23]

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Probably true and the result im dreading because it'll almost certainly mean missed games or games with scrubs (which is something nobody wants).

I'm just hopeful that both sides see the light that the lawyers are in it for themselves and not who they represent and they'll kick them to the kerb

 

[exe ex machina]

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yeah, hopefully im wrong, because everyone wants football and a full season....however!!!!!!!!.....not with these new rules tho. If part of a CBA is the players demanding a role in the rules committee (which some players have talked about that they should be part of that process) then i'm ALL for a CBA.

 

[exe ex machina]

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Further on my previous post (about what was the point if they agree to a win-win now)…..they’ll BOTH come out very bad to the fans because the whole ordeal only alienated fans, it was a massive waste of time, effort, resources, and ‘internet trees’ to just end up spit-roasting the same CBA.

Fans love football and will forget etc, but really they shouldn’t. They should make the players and owners feel ashamed and booed for doing all this for nothing in the end.

The only ones who come out good in this are the coaches. They don’t get enough love. Everyone fawns over the players, they players making tens of millions, the owners rolling in money, but it’s the coaches who are the true employees and very close to where the fans are in this too.

Love your coaches more!

 

[BeinPurplenGreen]

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I made all those Kermit posts, and no-one shares the love??

Seesh, you lot are just locked in the awesome esoterics of "collective bargaining" (mob rule??) for "professional sportsmen" (WTF is a professional sportsman anyway - a better than amatuer standard player that can get paid a lot to do the same thing more often with less consequences if he doesn't perform??) labour disputes??