Loitering

[mantis]

Just posted at aus.tv

So, there are probably hundreds of people who look like that, dark hair, pommy complexion, really, this is just another internet rumour, wait & see.

 

[section8]

So, there are probably hundreds of people who look like that, dark hair, pommy complexion, really, this is just another internet rumour, wait & see.

No ****? No need to comment, ********. Just take the pictures on face value. ffs.

 

[FuManchu]

It does make me wonder how far removed we are from animals.

How is one supposed to react to this and what is one supposed to do?

you react just as nature intended us to, you seek revenge on anti social behaviour, its an inbuilt mechanism in the human animal to drive out the animal that hurts the herd.

 

[skipper kelly]

you react just as nature intended us to, you seek revenge on anti social behaviour, its an inbuilt mechanism in the human animal to drive out the animal that hurts the herd.

Absolutely, and was one of the reasons I joined the PF, and was also one of the reasons I left.

But I mean Fu, WTF can you/me/anyone do?

 

[mantis]

No ****? No need to comment, ********. Just take the pictures on face value. ffs.

Chill dude. You posted the pics, why? Do you expect people to say, wow yep that's him? People are allowed to comment, sorry about that.

What do you mean by take the pictures on face value by the way, to prove you are right?

 

[FuManchu]

Absolutely, and was one of the reasons I joined the PF, and was also one of the reasons I left.

But I mean Fu, WTF can you/me/anyone do?

the only thing you can do, is bring up your kids up to know that to hurt kids or women or the defenceless is not right. You teach them to respect people . You protect your kids as much as you can without smothering them. You make sure that they know what real love and affection is and you treasure every day with them and you let them know that too.

thats all you, me, we, us, can do.

But on the same token, when a piece of filth like this pops up, and you know someone like that, its a fine line between going too far and not being vigilant enough.

 

[skipper kelly]

the only thing you can do, is bring up your kids up to know that to hurt kids or women or the defenceless is not right. You teach them to respect people You protect your kids as much as you can without smothering them. You make sure that they know what real love and affection is and you treasure every day with them and you let them know that too.

thats all you, me, we, us, can do.

cheers.

But on the same token, when a piece of filth like this pops up, and you know someone like that, its a fine line between going too far and not being vigilant enough.

Thats the age old question, what would you do if this happened to you. Not good to think about.

 

[- PC -]

But I mean Fu, WTF can you/me/anyone do?

Unfortunately SK , not a lot. Its all internal ie make sure your kids are aware of the dangers about them, make sure they know exactly what to do, make sure they learn a defensive art.And every night and day tell them you love them

You cannot stop other kids growing up to be psychos , but you can do as much as you can to ensure your kids dont become the psycho or a victim of one

Edit: Fu beat me to it

 

[section8]

Chill dude. You posted the pics, why? Do you expect people to say, wow yep that's him? People are allowed to comment, sorry about that.

Whay do you mean by take the pictures on face value by the way, to prove you are right?

No, just take them for what they are: a photo of Robert Thompson and a photo of Dante Arthurs. That's it. As I said earlier, it is nothing more than a rumour. It's obvious that it is going to be a wait and see process. Patronisng fool.

 

[skipper kelly]

Unfortunately SK , not a lot. Its all internal ie make sure your kids are aware of the dangers about them, make sure they know exactly what to do, make sure they learn a defensive art.And every night and day tell them you love them

You cannot stop other kids growing up to be psychos, but you can do as much as you can to ensure your kids dont become the psycho or a victim of one

Cheers PC.

On a slightly different note and one that is often overlooked, how would the parents of this low life feel? Assuming they are normal people, in which most cases they are, its beyond thought how you could deal with it.

 

[FuManchu]

Thats the age old question, what would you do if this happened to you. Not good to think about.

I know what I've done to someone who broke into my house while I was asleep drunk on the couch. I also know the cops never knew about it either. He's still around ............................. I think.

People get all squirmish and politically correct over people taking things into their own hands. But I tell ya, if you catch someone red handed doing the wrong thing, why wait for the law, when there's a chance he'll get off. I'm no religious nut, but the old eye for an eye still stands.

As for this bloke, if you knew it was him and he lived next door to ya, well, suffice to say a nicely tied up bundle would be delivered to the hospital, with a note saying who it was and what he did, for further delivery to the authorities after appropriate medical attention if they see fit would be the course of action. I actually know of this happening in Melb some 20 years ago, when one club had huge internal problems, except they didnt recommend further delivery to the authorities. Nary a bone was left in tact.

 

[mantis]

Cheers PC.

On a slightly different note and one that is often overlooked, how would the parents of this low life feel? Assuming they are normal people, in which most cases they are, its beyond thought how you could deal with it.

Exactly, no one wants to think their children are capable of committing such a horrendous crime.


they are probably going through hell, trying to work out what they did wrong & what they could have done to prevent their son turning into a psycho. I imagine the guilt they are feeling would be enormous.

I can't imagine what I would do if either of my children did anything like this.

 

[FuManchu]

Exactly, no one wants to think their children are capable of committing such a horrendous crime.


they are probably going through hell, trying to work out what they did wrong & what they could have done to prevent their son turning into a psycho. I imagine the guilt they are feeling would be enormous.

I can't imagine what I would do if either of my children did anything like this.

It all depends, if he grew up in a dysfunctional family, with no responsibility directed towards their kids, then there's a fair chance they couldn't give a rats. There's whole suburbs of disaffected kids out there where their parents wouldnt have a clue what their kids are like and take no responsibility for them.

 

[mantis]

It all depends, if he grew up in a dysfunctional family, with no responsibility directed towards their kids, then there's a fair chance they couldn't give a rats. There's whole suburbs of disaffected kids out there where their parents wouldnt have a clue what their kids are like and take no responsibility for them.

I know, but a crime like this, well you just have to wonder how anyone could commit such an horrendous act, especially against a child.

 

[skipper kelly]

I know what I've done to someone who broke into my house while I was asleep drunk on the couch. I also know the cops never knew about it either. He's still around ............................. I think.

People get all squirmish and politically correct over people taking things into their own hands. But I tell ya, if you catch someone red handed doing the wrong thing, why wait for the law, when there's a chance he'll get off. I'm no religious nut, but the old eye for an eye still stands.

As for this bloke, if you knew it was him and he lived next door to ya, well, suffice to say a nicely tied up bundle would be delivered to the hospital, with a note saying who it was and what he did, for further delivery to the authorities after appropriate medical attention if they see fit would be the course of action. I actually know of this happening in Melb some 20 years ago, when one club had huge internal problems, except they didnt recommend further delivery to the authorities. Nary a bone was left in tact.

Catching someone red handed, you have the law on your side.

 

[skipper kelly]

It all depends, if he grew up in a dysfunctional family, with no responsibility directed towards their kids, then there's a fair chance they couldn't give a rats. There's whole suburbs of disaffected kids out there where their parents wouldnt have a clue what their kids are like and take no responsibility for them.

My question was really about normal parents. I agree.

 

[WA ROO]

Catching someone red handed, you have the law on your side.

A person I knew would disagree with you
Cost him 12 months inside

 

[The Dice Man]

FuManchu, I only hope they put the guy into general population in prison. Plenty of dark corners and angry people. I've heard plenty of stories of what they do to rock spiders in prison, and to be honest I don't feel the slightest bit of remorse for what is going to happen to the creep.

Over 2 decades ago my uncle was a regular jailbird.. In and out of Pentridge, Long Bay, Cessnock.. you name it.. If they locked him up, he'd just break out.

But as a young kid I was fascinated with my uncle and when he went straight I asked him what was the worst thing he ever saw in prison. He never wanted to talk about it and would avoid it, until one day he did actually respond.

In very quiet tones, he told me about the time he saw a guy who was inside for rape, how he saw him killed by the rodgering of a broomstick up his backside.

this combined with a young Dicey having a fascination for jail fims, especially Stir, left a massive impression on me, and while I walked awfully close to doing time on a few occasions, it managed to keep me just on the right side.


The type of scum who did this act on that poor child will never be so lucky.




As a sidenote, I just saw on a 7 news update that there are/were rumours around that the guy may have been one of those kids who murdered the toddler back in the UK around a decade ago.

IIRC, those kids, or at least one of them, are in Australia, somewhere right now.


No wonder the Poms still think of us as convicts.



EDIT: Sorry, I see that was already bought up... Must remember to read all of thread in future, yes.

 

[The Legend]

What technicality was that?

Not excusing the actions, and I can't help speculating (which is all my opinion regarding the person is) but;

The **** appears (to me) to have an Intellectual Disability. I base that solely on my professional experience (Disability worker of 20 years). He has a certain look about him-I know that sounds ridiculous, but don't think of Down's Syndrome or Autism Spectrum Disorder. Perhaps some (as yet) unspecified type of developmental delay, or learning/language impairment (I'd expect this to be used in his defense).

Now-I'm a Disability worker in Victoria. Our legislative requirements under the IDPSA (Intellectually Disabled Person's Services Act 1986) ensure that a person who has an Intellectual disability CANNOT be interviewed by Police for ANY crime, without the presence of an independent 3rd person (or someone from OPA-Office of the Public Advocate). Interviewing an Intellectually Disabled person without this requirement being met will see all charges dismissed in court (don't pass go-don't collect $200).

Sound horrific? I know people who have walked for crimes that they clearly committed, but over-zealous policing and a distinct lack of understanding of the law by the Police hasn't helped matters either. I work with a couple of dodgy blokes who are armed with this info, and commit crimes regularly, sound in the knowledge that Police are under-resourced and poorly advised regarding the "rights" of people with Intellectual Disabilities. They walk out of court as free men every time they enter one-no matter what the body of evidence might demonstrate. Absolutely heinous!

I don't know squat about WA's Disability act (or even if they have one), but if they've got an act like ours...

I don't know...I get a strong feeling that this where his Defence will head.

The Police got him fairly quickly, I'd speculate further that he was on their radar ever since his last foray. I'll also speculate that whatever administrative bungle(s) saw him walk last time will be more closely managed.

My heart goes out to the family of this poor child. I don't even want to know the details of the crime.

 

[- PC -]

The Police got him fairly quickly, I'd speculate further that he was on their radar ever since his last foray. I'll also speculate that whatever administrative bungle(s) saw him walk last time will be more closely managed.

Thank you for the above, so if what you say is true( and I dont doubt it) wont the technicality be covered? ie if they knew him from previous issues wouldnt they already have the 3rd person present?

 

[vast]

I know what I've done to someone who broke into my house while I was asleep drunk on the couch. I also know the cops never knew about it either. He's still around ............................. I think.

People get all squirmish and politically correct over people taking things into their own hands. But I tell ya, if you catch someone red handed doing the wrong thing, why wait for the law, when there's a chance he'll get off. I'm no religious nut, but the old eye for an eye still stands.

As for this bloke, if you knew it was him and he lived next door to ya, well, suffice to say a nicely tied up bundle would be delivered to the hospital, with a note saying who it was and what he did, for further delivery to the authorities after appropriate medical attention if they see fit would be the course of action. I actually know of this happening in Melb some 20 years ago, when one club had huge internal problems, except they didnt recommend further delivery to the authorities. Nary a bone was left in tact.

I totally agree with you, in cases when its catching them red handed, as if someone is expeced to wait for the authorities. Like that guy that killed one the intruders earlier this year who bought the samurai sword into his house, whats he supposed to do wait for the cops.

Imagine being there and catching the scumbag in the act of doing that to one of your kids. You would kill him in the blink of an eye and never regret it. Neither killing him or keeping him in jail for the rest of his life comes even close to the punishment deserved. Forget rehabilitation in cases like this, the legal system should be looking for punishment.

P.S When you said club or what sort of club did u mean? And also what did u mean by internal problems?

 

[The Legend]

Thank you for the above, so if what you say is true( and I dont doubt it) wont the technicality be covered? ie if they knew him from previous issues wouldnt they already have the 3rd person present?

That should be the outcome. It depends on WA's legislative requirements for people with an ID (and I honestly don't know what they are out West), and if the offender in question meets the criteria in that instance (demonstrated low IQ, or registered service user). The Police's previous experience with him should indicate which way they are supposed to head now that they'll be bulding their case. Crossing T's, dotting I's.

As an aside, I love my job, and the guys I work with are (generally speaking) "good" guys (no sex offenders), but we're clear about one thing-if they break the law, I'll organise their advocates for them, notify the Police and other interested parties, and then see them "charged by appointment". No legal stuff-ups in my unit.

Its frustrating for the authorities. The IDPSA extensively refers to the "rights" of people with Intellectual Disabilities-but not so much about "responsibilities". Can't have one without the other in my "personal" legislation.

 

[The Passenger]

This rumour doing the rounds that it could be Robert Thompson has me intrigued and disturbed.

Normally i'm one to brush these sorts of things of as nothing more than a silly rumour but the similarities are quite high.

Same birthday but different years, they look about as similar as 10-year-old and a 21 (well 23 if it were RT) year old can, the similar circumstances of the murders......

it would be chilling and shocking if it were the case. More than likely it isn't, but as i said, it has me intrigued and deeply disturbed.

It still doesn't change the fact the treatmen Venables and Thompson got was disgraceful. Even as 10 year olds they should've been locked up for good. But that is for another thread.

 

[section8]

This rumour doing the rounds that it could be Robert Thompson has me intrigued and disturbed.

Normally i'm one to brush these sorts of things of as nothing more than a silly rumour but the similarities are quite high.

Same birthday but different years, they look about as similar as 10-year-old and a 21 (well 23 if it were RT) year old can, the similar circumstances of the murders......

it would be chilling and shocking if it were the case. More than likely it isn't, but as i said, it has me intrigued and deeply disturbed.

It still doesn't change the fact the treatmen Venables and Thompson got was disgraceful. Even as 10 year olds they should've been locked up for good. But that is for another thread.

Likewise. I usually don't subscribe to conspiracy theories but same day and month of birth, time of uk release and "return" to Perth, completing high school as a mature age student at north lake, The Worsts' mysterious involvement, similar appearance, the police identikit that looked absolutely nothing like arthurs even though he was chased after the incident..... I can't help but smell a rat.

Senator Ellison, like the WA police, won't say "this is not him" judging by his choice of words in last nights statement:
"We have not allowed one or both of the people convicted of James Bulger's murder into Australia and I want to say categorically that we do not believe they are in Australia," Senator Ellison said.

 

[goalpie]

Likewise. I usually don't subscribe to conspiracy theories but same day and month of birth, time of uk release and "return" to Perth, completing high school as a mature age student at north lake, The Worsts' mysterious involvement, similar appearance, the police identikit that looked absolutely nothing like arthurs even though he was chased after the incident..... I can't help but smell a rat.

Senator Ellison, like the WA police, won't say "this is not him" judging by his choice of words in last nights statement:
"We have not allowed one or both of the people convicted of James Bulger's murder into Australia and I want to say categorically that we do not believe they are in Australia," Senator Ellison said.

If it is, they wont say anything untill after the trial. Cause to many problems.