Loitering

[Jason Voorhees]

If it is, they wont say anything untill after the trial. Cause to many problems.

Much like the way Van Nguyens brother Nguyen Khoa was portrared as a saint last year until after the trial when his Samurai Sword slashing and drug traffiking activites came out so as to not prejudice his brothers trial.

Nothings gonna save this kid killer though from being found guilty if the evidence stands up, Bolger link or not.

 

[FuManchu]

I totally agree with you, in cases when its catching them red handed, as if someone is expeced to wait for the authorities. Like that guy that killed one the intruders earlier this year who bought the samurai sword into his house, whats he supposed to do wait for the cops.

Imagine being there and catching the scumbag in the act of doing that to one of your kids. You would kill him in the blink of an eye and never regret it. Neither killing him or keeping him in jail for the rest of his life comes even close to the punishment deserved. Forget rehabilitation in cases like this, the legal system should be looking for punishment.

P.S When you said club or what sort of club did u mean? And also what did u mean by internal problems?

An outlaw motorcycle club and as for the internal troubles, it was well documented at the time. Drugs, the distribution thereof and the said proceeds. Caused a huge internal rift, massive in fact. Brother of a oft mentioned ex footballer left club around this time.

 

[section8]

Much like the way Van Nguyens brother Nguyen Khoa was portrared as a saint last year until after the trial when his Samurai Sword slashing and drug traffiking activites came out so as to not prejudice his brothers trial.

Nothings gonna save this kid killer though from being found guilty if the evidence stands up, Bolger link or not.

This crap about fair trial being compromised is rubbish anyway. They'd have a truckload of physical evidence to prove it was him if he did it.

 

[FuManchu]

Not excusing the actions, and I can't help speculating (which is all my opinion regarding the person is) but;

The **** appears (to me) to have an Intellectual Disability. I base that solely on my professional experience (Disability worker of 20 years). He has a certain look about him-I know that sounds ridiculous, but don't think of Down's Syndrome or Autism Spectrum Disorder. Perhaps some (as yet) unspecified type of developmental delay, or learning/language impairment (I'd expect this to be used in his defense).

Now-I'm a Disability worker in Victoria. Our legislative requirements under the IDPSA (Intellectually Disabled Person's Services Act 1986) ensure that a person who has an Intellectual disability CANNOT be interviewed by Police for ANY crime, without the presence of an independent 3rd person (or someone from OPA-Office of the Public Advocate). Interviewing an Intellectually Disabled person without this requirement being met will see all charges dismissed in court (don't pass go-don't collect $200).

Sound horrific? I know people who have walked for crimes that they clearly committed, but over-zealous policing and a distinct lack of understanding of the law by the Police hasn't helped matters either. I work with a couple of dodgy blokes who are armed with this info, and commit crimes regularly, sound in the knowledge that Police are under-resourced and poorly advised regarding the "rights" of people with Intellectual Disabilities. They walk out of court as free men every time they enter one-no matter what the body of evidence might demonstrate. Absolutely heinous!

I don't know squat about WA's Disability act (or even if they have one), but if they've got an act like ours...

I don't know...I get a strong feeling that this where his Defence will head.

The Police got him fairly quickly, I'd speculate further that he was on their radar ever since his last foray. I'll also speculate that whatever administrative bungle(s) saw him walk last time will be more closely managed.

My heart goes out to the family of this poor child. I don't even want to know the details of the crime.

I agree that the arrested party does indeed have that look about him of someone not quite right. but the query is "did he know what he was doing was wrong"?

And the answer is an emphatic yes, why would he perpetrate a crime in private if he thought what he was doing was OK. The answer is that he knew that he has to keep these acts private as it is illegal. What he did smacks of pre meditated thinking and I dont care if he is the biggest nuffer out there, he deserves A class retribution physically and mentally

 

[Docker_Brat]

This rumour doing the rounds that it could be Robert Thompson has me intrigued and disturbed.

Normally i'm one to brush these sorts of things of as nothing more than a silly rumour but the similarities are quite high.

Same birthday but different years, they look about as similar as 10-year-old and a 21 (well 23 if it were RT) year old can, the similar circumstances of the murders......

it would be chilling and shocking if it were the case. More than likely it isn't, but as i said, it has me intrigued and deeply disturbed.

It still doesn't change the fact the treatmen Venables and Thompson got was disgraceful. Even as 10 year olds they should've been locked up for good. But that is for another thread.

Forget about the fact that Dante Arthurs' birth notice from the West in 1984 has been reprinted.

What blows my mind is the coincidental nature of everything. He is accused of being Robert Thompson and a year later actually commits a similar crime.

 

[- PC -]

Forget about the fact that Dante Arthurs' birth notice from the West in 1984 has been reprinted.

What blows my mind is the coincidental nature of everything. He is accused of being Robert Thompson and a year later actually commits a similar crime.

I recieved some more information I am checking on. There is more to this than is being let on

 

[The Passenger]

Forget about the fact that Dante Arthurs' birth notice from the West in 1984 has been reprinted.

surely if he was given another identification part of that would include a new birth certificate???

i don't know how it works or anything so i could be wrong.

i'm not saying it is him, i'm not saying it isn't. but there are a number similarities which means the possibility isn't zero.

i'm not going to take a guess or judgement on this as it's far too big of an accusation to be making without any proof.... i will be waiting for an official judgement on this and have to take that for the proof either way.....

 

[CharlieG]

At first I dismissed the Bulger link as fanciful... but the similarity between Arthurs and Thompson is disturbing.

 

[section8]

Forget about the fact that Dante Arthurs' birth notice from the West in 1984 has been reprinted.

Not trying to dismiss the birth notice as possible proof it isn't thompson however, you would think that government authorities would be constructing fictional identities for people all the time for use at a later date - doing things such as placing birth notices in the paper for people that don't yet "exist" for witness protection programs etc.

 

[CharlieG]

Just posted at aus.tv

edit: Senator Ellison quashes rumour http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200606/s1674162.htm

Not great photos, but from what I can tell:
- both Thompson and Arthurs have a dimpled chin.
- both Thompson and Arthurs have what appears to be a scar between their eyes.
- their noses are the same shape.
- their ears are the same shape.

 

[section8]

Not great photos, but from what I can tell:
- both Thompson and Arthurs have a dimpled chin.
- both Thompson and Arthurs have what appears to be a scar between their eyes.
- their noses are the same shape.
- their ears are the same shape.

The dimpled chin was what caught my attention most.

 

[CharlieG]

The dimpled chin was what caught my attention most.

For me it's the scar. It can't be seen in that photo of Arthurs (which has been airbrushed - there's a police officer (presumedly) that obscures a small portion of his face in the real photo), but in yesterday's Herald Sun it is plain to see.

 

[- PC -]

Some of the information I have heard is incorrect , after some checking the few minor ''similarities '' are actually different

Robert Thompsons family was very disjointed , they would not be together let alone travel to Australia. Roberts mothers name is Ann , Dantes is Susan, Susan was the name of Venables mother . The information I had heard was that Susan was the name of Roberts mother

I dont have any information on Robert Thompsons family ie the rumour that Dante was named after his grandfather , and that Robert Thompsons Grandfather had the same name

Yes the facial features are concerning. But it is the history of Dante that is disturbing..and best left for another time

The magistrate asked if his parents were in court, saying she had dealt with him before on other matters.

 

[The Passenger]

I've actually just figured out the problem.

The problem isn't so much in the whether or not Dante is Robert Thompson. But the problem is that it shouldn't even be a possibility.

Wherever he is, Robert Thompson (along with Jon Venables) should still be in prison and should be for at least the next 50 years. I can honestly not think of another murder even near as disturbing as that one (at least in terms of what gets reported in the main stream media).....

 

[CharlieG]

I've actually just figured out the problem.

The problem isn't so much in the whether or not Dante is Robert Thompson. But the problem is that it shouldn't even be a possibility.

Wherever he is, Robert Thompson (along with Jon Venables) should still be in prison and should be for at least the next 50 years. I can honestly not think of another murder even near as disturbing as that one (at least in terms of what gets reported in the main stream media).....

I'm not keen to get into the argument, but I have difficulty with the notion of a ten year old being sentenced to life without parole. Of course, not as much difficulty as I have with the notion of a ten year old committing a brutal, sadistic murder of a toddler.

The implications if Dante Arthurs is Robert Thompson are mind-boggling. The Federal Gov't has categorically denied cooperating with the British to bring him here. If this was done behind Australia's back...

 

[medusala]

Wherever he is, Robert Thompson (along with Jon Venables) should still be in prison and should be for at least the next 50 years. I can honestly not think of another murder even near as disturbing as that one (at least in terms of what gets reported in the main stream media).....

The tory govt tried to keep them locked away but ran into issues.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Bulger

In 1999, lawyers acting for Venables and Thompson appealed to the European Court of Human Rights on the grounds that the boys' trial had not been impartial, since they were too young to be able to follow the proceedings and understand the workings of an adult court. They also claimed that Howard's intervention led to a "charged atmosphere", making a fair trial impossible. The Court found in the boys' favour.

It wouldnt surprise me if they werent living in the UK. I am sure the tabloids would have gone to great lengths to find them and get around the injunction on releasing their whereabouts.

 

[CharlieG]

It wouldnt surprise me if they werent living in the UK. I am sure the tabloids would have gone to great lengths to find them and get around the injunction on releasing their whereabouts.

There was considerable controversy when they were soon to be released back in 2001, because it was reported that the UK government planned to settle them with new identies in English-speaking countries, with or without the consent of the countries in question.

It's not as pie-in-the-sky as you'd think.

 

[- PC -]

There was considerable controversy when they were soon to be released back in 2001, because it was reported that the UK government planned to settle them with new identies in English-speaking countries, with or without the consent of the countries in question.

It's not as pie-in-the-sky as you'd think.

I wonder why the English Gov were apparently ok in taking Robert Excell back?

 

[medusala]

I wonder why the English Gov were apparently ok in taking Robert Excell back?

Presumably due to some bilateral agreement. Its been policy (though as the govt just admitted not followed in a huge no of cases) for prisoners who have served a certain period of time in the UK to be deported if not citizens.

 

[goalpie]

The interesting point to me is where did this idea come from.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

The interesting point to me is where did this idea come from.

The origin of the email that was doing the rounds was allegedly from someone within the Corrective Services department

 

[Jason Voorhees]

further developments ..

http://www.thewest.com.au/20060630/news/general/tw-news-general-home-sto134562.html

Birth doctor scoffs at Arthurs rumours

GARY ADSHEAD and SEAN COWAN

The doctor who delivered Dante William Arthurs in a WA hospital 21 years ago has scoffed at rumours that the accused child killer is in fact one of the British boys who in 1993 murdered toddler James Bulger in Liverpool.

The West Australian spoke to Dr Charles Russell-Smith yesterday after publishing Mr Arthurs' birth notice, which was first printed in the newspaper on August 14, 1984, and referred to the doctor's name.

"I exist," Dr Russell-Smith said.

"Yes, I did deliver him. There is no doubt about that. I remember the names of the other hospital staff in the notice. They are all real."

The arrest of Mr Arthurs this week in connection with the horrific murder of eight-year-old schoolgirl Sofia Rodriguez-Urrutia-Shu at Livingston Marketplace shopping centre in Canning Vale on Monday sparked an unprecedented wave of internet-driven rumours about the man's past.

The frenzy of speculation forced State and Federal authorities to deny emphatically that Mr Arthurs was one of James Bulger's killers now living in WA after being moved here with a new identity.

Last year, The West Australian investigated the claim and found no proof to back it up.

"I can remember the patient's name," the doctor said.

"He was definitely delivered at Rockingham-Kwinana District Hospital and was later transferred to King Edward. He was definitely all right and he has an ongoing medical record."

On Wednesday night, police were called to the Arthurs' family home in Canning Vale after bricks were thrown through several windows.

Mr Arthurs, charged with sexually abusing and then murdering Sofia on Monday, looked stunned when he appeared in the Supreme Court yesterday, speaking only one word during his brief appearance via a video link from Graylands Hospital.

Dressed in a dark blue windcheater, he simply answered "yes" when asked if he was Dante Wyndham Arthurs.

His legal aid lawyer Rod Keely told Justice John McKechnie that Mr Arthurs did not intend to apply for bail at this stage.

Senior prosecutor Ken Bates took the opportunity to tell the court he was concerned about Mr Arthurs' chances of getting a fair trial.

Mr Bates said a malicious email had been circulated that linked Mr Arthurs to the killing of James Bulger in England in 1993.

"All investigations show that he was born and bred in WA," Mr Bates said.

"WA police have confirmed that with their counterparts in England and fingerprint testing shows the accused was not involved in the James Bulger killing."

The Department of Corrective Services has confirmed that an investigation was under way into an email claiming to be from a prison officer which was sent to thousands of people across Australia on Wednesday.

"The email appears to have come from outside the department," a spokeswoman said.

 

[The Dice Man]

The origin of the email that was doing the rounds was allegedly from someone within the Corrective Services department

That would imply that the Government DO know(presuming the rumour has truth to it).

It's the kind of thing that if you found out about in your daily job, you'd want to get the info released to the public somehow.

 

[The Dice Man]

"I can remember the patient's name," the doctor said.

"He was definitely delivered at Rockingham-Kwinana District Hospital and was later transferred to King Edward. He was definitely all right and he has an ongoing medical record."

Astute observation Doctor....NOT!!!

 

[Bombers 2003]

The origin of the email that was doing the rounds was allegedly from someone within the Corrective Services department

Why would a public servant be prepared to risk dismissal for an email like that?