Injury Lonergan

[vealesy]

UNBELIEVABLE.

Just read on sevens Game Day, Lonergan has signed with us for 3 years.

WHY WHY WHY.

Maybe we will be hit with a few players retiring this year, that we all thought could go on for another year or two.

Maybe theres now a big hole in our salary cap and were just giving contracts away to every man and his dog.

 

[RegHickeyStand]

Bulldust. Riewoldt thrashed Taylor because he has a much bigger aerobic tank and blew him up on repeat lead after repeat lead. Lonergan would have done no better in that respect.

Lonergan is the only other guy that can effectively go to Reiwoldt. And Reiwoldt eventually blew up himself. It wasn't the wet that did him in. He just lasted longer than Taylor.

 

[meto]

Lonergan is the only other guy that can effectively go to Reiwoldt. And Reiwoldt eventually blew up himself. It wasn't the wet that did him in. He just lasted longer than Taylor.

Taylor should be fit enough to run all day long, to me that's all rubbish, he was just out positioned and at times simply outbodied.

It was a cardinal error not to play Lonergan, as Harry insurance, and against such a big bodied forward line, just plain dumb.

I don't know about the lasting longer assumption, thought he (roo) did most of his damage early when he was fresh, but so was Harry, so its not his tank or that crap, he just got badly beaten.
Roo 22 pozzes, Harry 9, marks 11, 2, says it all.

Our clever selectors had nobody to that could match up if Harry couldn't hold him, which he couldn't.

So all you Lonergan knockers grow a brain, we've got a truck load of smalls and mediums, what we need is some genuine size, and backup for the key defensive posts.
Thank goodness the forward line grows a bit next week with the Pods return.

 

[The rabbi]

UNBELIEVABLE.

Just read on sevens Game Day, Lonergan has signed with us for 3 years.

WHY WHY WHY.

Maybe we will be hit with a few players retiring this year, that we all thought could go on for another year or two.

Maybe theres now a big hole in our salary cap and were just giving contracts away to every man and his dog.

I don't think that we will have the chance to recruit quality talls with the GC and GWS entering the competition and the Cats at the the wrong end of the ladder to secure good draft picks. The club may also have the future retirements of aging defenders in mind.

 

[vealesy]

I don't think that we will have the chance to recruit quality talls with the GC and GWS entering the competition and the Cats at the the wrong end of the ladder to secure good draft picks. The club may also have the future retirements of aging defenders in mind.

Near enough is NOT good enough, I thought we had obliterated that mentality, obviously not.

Id rather we were giving games to potential guns and losing games than ones that are guaranteed to cough the ball up because they are shit.

 

[darren forssman]

Taylor should be fit enough to run all day long, to me that's all rubbish, he was just out positioned and at times simply outbodied.

It was a cardinal error not to play Lonergan, as Harry insurance, and against such a big bodied forward line, just plain dumb.

I don't know about the lasting longer assumption, thought he (roo) did most of his damage early when he was fresh, but so was Harry, so its not his tank or that crap, he just got badly beaten.
Roo 22 pozzes, Harry 9, marks 11, 2, says it all.

Our clever selectors had nobody to that could match up if Harry couldn't hold him, which he couldn't.

So all you Lonergan knockers grow a brain, we've got a truck load of smalls and mediums, what we need is some genuine size, and backup for the key defensive posts.
Thank goodness the forward line grows a bit next week with the Pods return.

oh wise one please give us a breakdown of each roo score and how it happened. i will save you the effort, one from a tremendous mark that not even your messiah could have stopped and the other 2 from running into space on perfectly weighted kicks.

maybe this is a hard concept to get through your thick noggin but we lost the game for a lot of other reasons than 3 reidwoldt goals. id even say milne's 3 goals were more important than roo's.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Much Bigger Aerobic Tank, crap! that's a myth my friend, its a lot to do with delivery from their mids, and our lack of pressure, and Harrys lack of weight/strength compared to Reiwolt, he was probably a bit loose as well.

With Riewolts size and build I doubt he'll out run Harry over a 5000 metres cross-country course, and if he could, Geelong should immediatly sack their fitness/ training coach. Harrys' aerobic running abilities should be first class for an AFL footballer, given his athletic build. Why wouldn't it be, I'm sure Geelongs running coaches are from an athletics background, and measure their results against other codes and AFL parameters at least.

So, so much for the tank crap, its more to do with reading the game, and being more aggressive at the contest I'd say.
And pure size when toe to toe.

Having said that: The midfield has alot to answer for, I know!

You're wrong. I'm not saying there aren't also other factors at work, some of which you listed, but it is well known Riewoldt is a key forward who covers the amount of kms most midfielders do. And it had a lot to do with it. By the second half of every quarter, Harry was trailing behind him at every contest looking like a stuffed runner (I know because I was close enough). It's not the only reason he got beat but it's certainly a big part of it.

 

[meto]

oh wise one please give us a breakdown of each roo score and how it happened. i will save you the effort, one from a tremendous mark that not even your messiah could have stopped and the other 2 from running into space on perfectly weighted kicks.

maybe this is a hard concept to get through your thick noggin but we lost the game for a lot of other reasons than 3 reidwoldt goals. id even say milne's 3 goals were more important than roo's.

Hope you remember but we were beaten by 4pts, Roo kicked 3, had an input in probably a few given his stats, does that mean anything to you? How many did Milne point to Roo for?
He was a major factor l'd say, given his stats, undeniably towelled up Taylor.
Lonergan had played the shut down role to perfection in recent games, not to include him was risky and it turned our to be our undoing.
Pure O
If Harry isn't aerobic enough to run with a big lump like Riewolt he should join up with Geelong Athletic Club over the summer and get some serious running fitness. If that's true, I'm not impressed with him at all.

 

[meto]

oh wise one please give us a breakdown of each roo score and how it happened. i will save you the effort, one from a tremendous mark that not even your messiah could have stopped and the other 2 from running into space on perfectly weighted kicks.

maybe this is a hard concept to get through your thick noggin but we lost the game for a lot of other reasons than 3 reidwoldt goals. id even say milne's 3 goals were more important than roo's.

Sorry double post!

 

[darren forssman]

seriously, do watch the game at all?

we kicked 1.7 in the last quarter, our kick ins were atrocious, our midfield sucked, among other things.

if someone said that roo would kick 3 goals before the game then im sure we all would have taken that.

gardiner was rucking and pushed forward, ottens was his opponent.

 

[meto]

seriously, do watch the game at all?

we kicked 1.7 in the last quarter, our kick ins were atrocious, our midfield sucked, among other things.

if someone said that roo would kick 3 goals before the game then im sure we all would have taken that.

gardiner was rucking and pushed forward, ottens was his opponent.

OK! so according to you "no change", all's good with team selection, leave it alone, we've got our favorites out there, our first 22. Our all Australians.

But were's the backup when the wheels fall off?????????

 

[darren forssman]

OK! so according to you "no change", all's good with team selection, leave it alone, we've got our favorites out there, our first 22. Our all Australians.

But were's the backup when the wheels fall off?????????

did you go to the game? this game came down to strategy and players going missing in the first half.

your messiah would not have stopped reidwoldt kicking those 3 goals, you're foolish to think otherwise.

 

[meto]

did you go to the game? this game came down to strategy and players going missing in the first half.

your messiah would not have stopped reidwoldt kicking those 3 goals, you're foolish to think otherwise.

Are you that negetively bias, the dude never even played!

Common! Harry got smashed!

And no other alternatives, apart from other string beans.

Taylor's a float and mark defender, not a guy that likes to go toe to toe with big unit CHF's.
He's more suited to the Harley role, floating across and marking.

 

[darren forssman]

Are you that negetively bias, the dude never even played!

Common! Harry got smashed!

And no other alternatives, apart from other string beans.

Taylor's a float and mark defender, not a guy that likes to go toe to toe with big unit CHF's.

i gave you a run down of roo's goals, all of which did not involve going toe to toe.

yes, taylor was beaten, but if someone said that reidwoldt would kick 3 goals we would all accept that.

did you go to the game? there are many other reasons we lost or is your record to broken.

 

[Gaz_Brownlow]

i gave you a run down of roo's goals, all of which did not involve going toe to toe.

yes, taylor was beaten, but if someone said that reidwoldt would kick 3 goals we would all accept that.

did you go to the game? there are many other reasons we lost or is your record to broken.

was in front members section right on forward pocket and saw the first quarter effect of Kositzke and Riewoldt. Great contested play from the saints, but sloppy defending on our part, especially when combining that with our poor use of the ball going out from defense.

Scarlett was beaten a couple of times and Harry left some crucial areas unguarded at the wrong time. What Lonergan would have brought to the table would have been a solid defender playing a true tall defensive position and acting more of a guard to cetain areas. The mark where Riewoldt got in between 3 of our defenders and took a contested mark was unforgiveable.

Just have a feeling that Lonergan fits some of these areas .... much like Egan in 07. Plus he allows Scarlett / Harry a break now and then, allowing us to rotate a bit more on very good players. To say that Kosi and Riewoldt didn't have an influence in a 12 goal game is naive. We were probably lucky the rain pelted down a bit.

True, Lonergan is no gun, but he does play a role - much like a Nathan Brown or Ben Reid for Collingwood. The other aspect being that maybe we need to look at a safety kick now and then when we are congested and not moving the ball....Lonergan provides another taller target to create a contest.

No messiah, but deservant of a place this year.

 

[Belisarius]

I think you are a bit harsh. Yes further training may help Harry get a bigger tank - but you also need to recognise that there are some players who have some outstanding abilities - which helps them become stars. Riewoldt's tank is exceptional - and he is a gun player to boot.

Not being impressed by Harry's relatively smaller tank is not a negative point so much on Harry as it is such a positive attribute of Riewoldt. Not many similar sized players could keep up with him consistently.

I also agree that Harry really isn't the ideal build and player type for CHB - as was Egan. He would have made a great HBF on the third tall forward IMO - but the loss of Egan has forced Harry to adapt and he has done a fantastic job thus far for such an inexperienced player.

Being promoted to the leadership group also tells me GFC rate him as well and appreciate what he has done in a short period of time.

To be outclassed by Riewoldt is no shame. Other sides also have great players on their list.

 

[meto]

Gaz Brownlow,

Thanks for the first hand and accurate appraisal from one who observed the action first hand. Not so much that it supports my position, but really helps us understand the deficiences we have down back.

Belisarius
He has the natural build to be extremely aerobic for his size, still no excuse, just thought he was caught wrong side of Roo in the contests.
For all we know he probably runs a 3k as fast or faster, but being out of position makes it look bad.

Being out pointed aerobically when you're regarded as an elite athlete would be a shame.
After all they're AFL big boys not Olympic distance runners, it should be quite within his abilities to stick close.

 

[darren forssman]

Gaz Brownlow,

Thanks for the first hand and accurate appraisal from one who observed the action first hand. Not so much that it supports my position, but really helps us understand the deficiences we have down back.

hahaha, so you werent there yet you are making these assumptions based on what you saw on tv.

all 3 footy shows last night pointed to the fact that our midfielders didnt get back nor apply pressure in the first half and our atrocious kick ins and decision making around the ground.

He has the natural build to be extremely aerobic for his size, still no excuse, just thought he was caught wrong side of Roo in the contests.
For all we know he probably runs a 3k as fast or faster, but being out of position makes it look bad.

wrong side? roo ran him into the ground running back to goal to mark perfectly weighted kicks.

Being out pointed aerobically when you're regarded as an elite athlete would be a shame.
After all they're AFL big boys not Olympic distance runners, it should be quite within his abilities to stick close.

and goddard was on tv last night saying that roo is at the top of the club in 10km, 200m and 400m.

 

[meto]

Yeah, heard Goddard say 10min for 3km, I'd say more like 11.
The best draftee's run around 11.