Losers mentality from the top to bottom

[roo blitz]

Yesterday was probably the lowest of lows in what has been a horror 5 year period.
I remember back in 2016 the day after we won our 9th game in a row listening to the radio on a Sunday and being dissatisfied because our wins hadnt been as convincing as I had hoped. I cant believe that now.
The problem with this club is we have a losers mentality that has set in and is hard to break and the rot has set in.
From the top down and Sonia has tried her best the dreaded losers syndrome has swept through this club where we expect to lose even when we are ahead on the scoreboard. You know as a supporter if has effected us as well.
Watching the game you expect to lose, you expect our players to turn it over, you expect the other teams to come over the top of us and kick 5 goals in 5 minutes. The players and coaches would be feeling the same.
The only way to change this is to be ruthless and start from the top with changes. We cant change the players overnight & Clarko is the best available now. Longmire would be brilliant but dosnt want to coach. He will be Tassie coach and Simo had similar issues at West Coast so I doubt he would be a better option.
We need a tough nut who knows what success is at the top. Someone like a Eddie McGuire to come in as president, ask the hard questions and get the whole losers mentality out of us.
I think its effecting Clarko now as well where he is not making much sense and keeps rolling out the same nonsense.
How long can this go on for. The young players dont know how to win thats why they never reach the levels they should.
Our skills are woeful with players having no confidence and the game plan in tatters.
We are a broken club. Something has to change.
I think even Damien Barrett would be lost for words this week

 

[Gasometer]

We should visit Lumon Industries and be severed from Nmfc

If anyone has their details PM me.

 

[roo blitz]

Now Richmond wins against another team that thrashed us last week. It gets worse. Even Richmond have by passed us. Maybe we should sack the lot of our players and just bring in kids of the street. Could they do any worse ?

 

[Roosurgence]

Clarkson is actually ****ing the joint now.

You just saw the result of picking a side that want to compete and have a go.

Instead this senile old fool keeps picking ****ing soft sooks who don’t want to go when it’s their turn.

The more I see, the more I hope he falls on his sword, because he is no longer ruthless to make the calls that need to be made.

This club is soft and other clubs know it. We are an absolute laughing stock and just a punching bag for other clubs to beat up on.

 

[Alpine17]

Clarkson is actually ****ing the joint now.

You just saw the result of picking a side that want to compete and have a go.

Instead this senile old fool keeps picking ****ing soft sooks who don’t want to go when it’s their turn.

The more the see, the more I hope he falls on his sword, because he is no longer ruthless to make the calls that need to be made.

This club is soft and other clubs know it. We are an absolute laughing stock and just a punching bag for other clubs to beat up on.

Clarkson didn't even apologise to the North fans for the insipid performance all he had to do was highlight that our players said from 3 showed no want and are lazy and need to be accountable. By tapping into the fans they will at least feel herd and it makes the players accountable . But no he spews the same shit that we are playing good in patches and Carlton killed us in clearances, this bloke has no interest in this club having success and will move along with his millions while the club goes down the guggerler.

 

[hsquid]

We should visit Lumon Industries and be severed from Nmfc

If anyone has their details PM me.

God help our innies.

 

[Caracas]

Let’s agree on this loser’s mentality for the moment. It’s as good an explanation as any, I suppose. Obviously, we’ve gotten into a hole very much of our own making. So, what are our options? We can tear it all up and start again. I, actually, don’t believe we have the stomach for that. The notion that the game has passed Clarko by doesn’t really pass muster, either. It’s just something people say. The team don’t have belief, that’s clear. It’s definitely Clarko’s job to instil that belief in them. You’d have to think that, given his history, he is very capable of that. The overriding thing I noticed on Friday was the incredible level of support in the crowd for North. People really love this team. There is a boost in our support, as a result of our AFLW success, I reckon. That support has to get through to the team in time. It just has to click. It will click.

 

[zoomba23]

Let’s agree on this loser’s mentality for the moment. It’s as good an explanation as any, I suppose. Obviously, we’ve gotten into a hole very much of our own making. So, what are our options? We can tear it all up and start again. I, actually, don’t believe we have the stomach for that. The notion that the game has passed Clarko by doesn’t really pass muster, either. It’s just something people say. The team don’t have belief, that’s clear. It’s definitely Clarko’s job to instil that belief in them. You’d have to think that, given his history, he is very capable of that. The overriding thing I noticed on Friday was the incredible level of support in the crowd for North. People really love this team. There is a boost in our support, as a result of our AFLW success, I reckon. That support has to get through to the team in time. It just has to click. It will click.

I might have a short memory, but I do not recall multiple 'bullshit' chants from any fanbase. North fans are the loudest they've been in probably a decade. We're amped up and the players are listless. It's a mind boggling contrast. Either the coaches are totally incompetent or their messages are falling on deaf ears.

It does not have to click at all. We've declined and declined and the gradient has just steepened last this weekend. If we were rubbish with 8k crowds, sure. But the fans all feel like this is our time for a natural uptick, turning up and throwing their full support behind the club, and the players aren't having a bar of it.

Our future hangs by a thread. It's the most bizarre phenomenon

 

[Hearts to hearts]

Now Richmond wins against another team that thrashed us last week. It gets worse. Even Richmond have by passed us. Maybe we should sack the lot of our players and just bring in kids of the street. Could they do any worse ?

Richmond passed us in Round 1. Then they were rubbish for weeks and we roared past them by beating Melbourne. Now they’ve passed us again because they won again. It must be exhausting thinking this every time another battling club wins or almost wins. Opposition, venue, player availability, so many things feed into performance each week, no single game says that much.

 

[HTPunter]

100% we do.

The loser mentality has been around a while but has been no more personified than in the final 2 rounds last year.

Just insipid.

For a long suffering fan base & playing group that has barely tasted a win, for them to just give up because it was ‘season over’ and roll over to the tune of 220 odd points v the Dogs & Hawks just perfectly summarised the playing group & club.

The likes of Tom Powell & Bailey Scott

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Bailey Scott

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25

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186cm

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77kg

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0.9

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5.0

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& Aidan Corr

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Aidan Corr

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31

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195cm

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& Dylan Stephens

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just completely rolled over those games. There were more but they were some of the standout candidates.

You can’t win less than 14% of your games over 5 seasons & then just give up at the end of the season.

Richmond has already established a rebuild that prioritises positivity, good habits, work ethic, and attitude. They have had the weight of numbers blow them out a couple of times, yes, but they’ve ground out 2 wins (one in a spectacular comeback), fought a game against Brisbane that was over early in the 3rd but kept it respectable & would have celebrated winning the last - sure Brisbane didn’t try much, but Carlton didn’t try that hard in the last either, they didn’t have too!

When you’re as bad as us - EVERY moment is a teachable moment. Every time a player doesn’t run back defensively, even down by 10 goals late in the 4th, and gets away with it, it teaches that bad habit. It doesn’t teach 100% commitment. Doesn’t teach gut running. Doesn’t teach discipline.

This club is pissweak & rolls over when the going gets tough. Which is the complete antithesis to our first 100odd years. We are meant to knuckle down, even if it means being unfashionable. Instead they just go ah well if we’re down 40, may as well be down 90.

And we the fans suffer the most.

I want to see heart & pride. I want to see a last minute desperation smother even though the game is lost. I want to see run down tackles til the final siren. It doesn’t matter now, but if we want to start being good - we’re going to have to play 4 quarters. How else do you practice the discipline to play 4 quarters if you just write off 1.5-2 quarters every game as pointless?

 

[Gasometer]

Tony Jones, yes I know, said this morning that when he visits the Club during the week or talks to our players he is surprised this year at how upbeat and positive the club is despite the losses.

 

[ferball]

Tony Jones, yes I know, said this morning that when he visits the Club during the week or talks to our players he is surprised this year at how upbeat and positive the club is despite the losses.

They need to get angry!

 

[Gasometer]

They need to get angry!

 

[Epictetus]

Richmond passed us in Round 1. Then they were rubbish for weeks and we roared past them by beating Melbourne. Now they’ve passed us again because they won again. It must be exhausting thinking this every time another battling club wins or almost wins. Opposition, venue, player availability, so many things feed into performance each week, no single game says that much.

I appreciate this perspective. I really do. And of course there is a completely reactive and shameless change of views that can snap quickly and then return and then return back to amongst the shithouse punditry.

BUT

Richmond are younger, MUCH more talented, have a system that is easily defined (and will falter at times, for sure). But most stark by comparison was the vigor and aggression and confidence. The mass of talented, sharp young players in comparison to ours is just depressing.

 

[ferball]

Gaso - Leads to suffering for the enemy!

 

[Gasometer]

Gaso - Leads to suffering for the enemy!

 

[bigosacr]

Now Richmond wins against another team that thrashed us last week. It gets worse. Even Richmond have by passed us. Maybe we should sack the lot of our players and just bring in kids of the street. Could they do any worse ?

Richmond have far better quality senior players that can be relied on that lift the spuds and young ones around them. Also, Dimma can't coach at Marvel for the life of him.

 

[pickettline]

The players serve up the same garbage each week because they know that there are no consequences for performing poorly. The changes in the side are minimal, drop a player who was sub, continue to play players who don't put their bodies on the line, backline players who always seem to be caught unaware of their opponent, 3 players going for a ball only to see 2 free opponents walk away with the ball. A lot of basic stuff that seems beyond the capability of our players.

 

[nelroo]

The players serve up the same garbage each week because they know that there are no consequences for performing poorly. The changes in the side are minimal, drop a player who was sub, continue to play players who don't put their bodies on the line, backline players who always seem to be caught unaware of their opponent, 3 players going for a ball only to see 2 free opponents walk away with the ball. A lot of basic stuff that seems beyond the capability of our players.

You could cut and paste this from posts going back 7 or 8 years.

 

[Caracas]

Some people get angry. Some get more engaged. That’s the way of it. Nobody’s necessarily right or wrong. We’ll either bounce back or die. They are the choices. The angry among us will, hopefully, put a fire under the powers that be at the club. The more engaged will, hopefully, lift the team up.

 

[Gasometer]

Some people get angry. Some get more engaged. That’s the way of it. Nobody’s necessarily right or wrong. We’ll either bounce back or die. They are the choices. The angry among us will, hopefully, put a fire under the powers that be at the club. The more engaged will, hopefully, lift the team up.

Some just are starting to not care

 

[Caracas]

Some just are starting to not care

We all know that’s not even a thing, Gaso - unfortunately for our collective mental states. The worse it gets, the more we care.

 

[Gasometer]

We all know that’s not even a thing, Gaso - unfortunately for our collective mental states. The worse it gets, the more we care.

Nah the Autopsy thread is littered with “that’s it” posts. Taking a break for a while type of thing

 

[Lunchtime]

Is there any truth to this post or just a rumour?

 

[Epictetus]

Is there any truth to this post or just a rumour?

A rumor that a few blokes were having a beer? Are you serious?