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This is thanks to "Incoming" on bomberblitz. he raises some very good points and i think he makes a lot of sense:

As much as I know it is has been a topic of much discussion and debate in the past, the move of Lucas to the backline in recent weeks has, if anything, served as a timely reminder of how good he can be down there.

Scotty has been a wonderful servant up forward (and along with Leon Baker probably my favourite ever Essendon player) but I wonder whether the circumstances of our developing list may dictate that more and more we will require his drive and ability to find a target / create attack from down back.

Particularly up forward, it appears that the EFC has significant talent and youth coming through, and although we need to be patient, we more importantly need to provide them with the opportunity.

With regard our forward depth:
- Lloyd looks like he has regained his confidence and touch
- Even after only three games, Gumbleton has shown has signs that he has the ability and work-ethic to become a permanent fixture at CHF during 2008.
- Under the new coach I think there is every chance that we could see Bradley be given the opportunity to play and grow in confidence as a permanent half-foward flanker in 2008.
- We have Johns and Neagle as natural forwards waiting in the wings for their opportunity... they need to be given the chance to show what they can do (and not just for 5 minutes off the bench at a time)
- Our crumbing stocks and defensive pressure through players such as Davey, Lovett, Jetta and Reimers looks as good as it has for a long time.

A review of our defensive stocks however provides the polar opposite. Currently we have:
- Lee has been around a few years and although he has suffered through injury he still appears to be a uncertain proposition (albiet still only 21);
- Chartres, on the rookie list, who I admit I don't know much about but also haven't heard any deafening cries regarding his development.

However... with Lucas going back to join Fletcher and Ryder (and Nash as well if required) we would have one of the tallest, most skillful and attacking half-back lines in the league.

Coupled with the grunt and agression of Welsh, Michael, Lovett-Murray and Slattery down back we would appear to still have a solid and accoutable back half.

Moving forward, with Lucas redirected and the drafting of (or trading for) a key position defender/s at the end of this year (and next year as well) I am confident we would look a more complete and secure outfit whilst also planning for the loss of Michael (at the end of next year) and then Fletch and Scotty himself within the next 3 years.

Thoughts?
 
i wouldn't want gumby playing in defence just because of what happened to kepler. his confidence could be ruined down back.

from my point of view gumby is just a out an out CHF. moves really well and has a great set of hands. i don't think we should muck around his development
 
I certainly like the idea of it.

He's been stagnant up forward for about a month and yesterday he was an excellent contributor.

Not only does he have sufficient pace to go with just about any of the key forwards out there, he's got the size and the awareness.

This would allow Lloyd to plant himself in the square more permanently as he did yesterday and allow Gumbleton to be the main CHF target in which he showed great promise. Ryder then becomes a floater who can play anywhere and Fletcher can play almost permanently as a loose,rebounding defender.

On top of that, it eases transition.

It wouldn't need to be a full season move as I'm sure he would be thrown forward at different times, but defense could be Lucas' calling in 2008.
 

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It's a very interesting scenario and one that we are very lucky to have.

Not a lot of clubs have gun CHF who can also be a gun CHB.

I think for the long term development of our young players it would be best if he went to CHB and gave us a look at Bradley and Lee in our forward line.

It's highly unlikely that Gumbleton could hold down CHF for a full year, so he could be rested and either Bradley could play that position or he could stay at HFF and Lucas could move to CHF.

I also believe that Lee is a forward and not a backman, so that is also a possibility to have a look at him as a forward.

It seems to me from what i have seen, which is only limited, that we are trying to turn a natural foward into a defender.

There will be injuries or matchups that will dictate where Lucas will play but i am in favour of Lucas moving to CHB.

I wonder what our new coach will think
 
It's a very interesting scenario and one that we are very lucky to have.

Not a lot of clubs have gun CHF who can also be a gun CHB.

I think for the long term development of our young players it would be best if he went to CHB and gave us a look at Bradley and Lee in our forward line.

It's highly unlikely that Gumbleton could hold down CHF for a full year, so he could be rested and either Bradley could play that position or he could stay at HFF and Lucas could move to CHF.

I also believe that Lee is a forward and not a backman, so that is also a possibility to have a look at him as a forward.

It seems to me from what i have seen, which is only limited, that we are trying to turn a natural foward into a defender.

There will be injuries or matchups that will dictate where Lucas will play but i am in favour of Lucas moving to CHB.

I wonder what our new coach will think

He was drafted as a CHF from Tasmania and it was only really thought of as a permanent defender after his debut. I think you might be on the money.

One option with Gumbleton would be to play Ryder alongside him as much as possible. If we were to have Michael, Lucas, Fletcher and Lovett-Murray down back, Ryder's height isn't really required. Given Ryder and Gumbleton are hardly slow, we wouldn't be too top heavy and neither of them a quite at the age where the other would be getting in the way of their domination. I don't mind the idea of a Ryder, Gumbleton, Lloyd combination.
 
I reckon we should leave Scotty at CHB, every know and then he can go forward and pinch hit.

Reads play the well back there and his decision making along with his kicking be it long or short is precision. :thumbsu:

What about sending The Dustbin forward?
 
free ryder up to become more of a ruckman, as laycock and ryder take hille out of the equation

don't write Hille off, far out it was only a month ago he virtually won us the game against Adelaide :rolleyes:

I think it's a great idea to have Lucas in the back line. He's a class act, and our forward stocks could use the extra place, to be honest
 
don't write Hille off, far out it was only a month ago he virtually won us the game against Adelaide :rolleyes:

I think it's a great idea to have Lucas in the back line. He's a class act, and our forward stocks could use the extra place, to be honest
Hille is shit ruckmen. End Of Story
 
B: Lovett-Murray....Michael....Slattery
HB: Fletcher....Lucas....Nash
C: Winderlich....Watson....Lovett
HF: McPhee....Gumbleton....Monfries
F: Davey....Lloyd....Ryder

R: Laycock....McVeigh....Stanton

Int: Welsh...Hille...Hislop...Jetta

Emg: Houli...Reimers...Dyson

Ryder: Play more of a forward role... in my mind could be a buddy type player if his intensity got a bit more fierce.. has all the skills and talent just needs more aggression.

McPhee: Play more of a Andrew Embley type winger/forward role.. where his indecisive play doesnt hurt AS much as if he was down back.

Lucas: For team balance and development... let Gumby and Ryder and Neagle if he gets a game to develop into better players... has played back before and can do it very well. We wouldnt be robbing peter to play paul anymore as we can fill his role at CHF

Monfries: To Swap with McVeigh... both must spend majority of the year at HFF/On Ball as they both have poise and skill.. what we lack the most..

Laycock: Must be first ruck... he seems to play better when he knows he is number 1.

I think the rest of the team pretty much justifies itself... on paper we look very fast and skillful... we must get rid of blokes who cant kick.. ie. johnsons. peverill.. heff.. etc etc

Am i missing anyone? what do you all think of this team for next year...
 

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Sounds like a good idea. Lucas is such a champ as he can play either CHF or CHB and is happy to play either end and never complains. He played CHB for the whole season a few years ago and played brilliantly.
 
i wouldn't want gumby playing in defence just because of what happened to kepler. his confidence could be ruined down back.

from my point of view gumby is just a out an out CHF. moves really well and has a great set of hands. i don't think we should muck around his development


Gumby was taken as a CHB/CHF in the draft. Kepler was taken as HFF/Winger. Unlike with Kepler it would not be playing him out of position.

The idea of this thread is not to put ryder in the forward line, more ruckwork for him its about freeing up a tall forward spot for the maturing of Neagle/Bradley/Johns whilst losing nothing moving Lucas to the back line as he rarely gets beaten there and uses the ball so well. The question is whether we can have a backline of Michael, Fletcher, Ryder and Lucas, this with a welsh, nlm or mcphee would appear too tall and not quick enough.

We have a gluttony of riches when it comes to KPP and I feel that at least 1 has to be looked at seriously for trade at end of season (for a quality fast mid like dempsey - without the injuries)
 

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if we are to win our next two weeks lucas has to play in defence imo..

richo is too mobile for mal, has a too bigger engine.

fletcher is injured and we need fletcher to be able to create play..
lucas imo is the exact person we need to stop richo... mcveigh could easily to a job on brown, then who have we to worry about pettifer, reiwoldt? neither would kick a bag... fletch on reiwoldt and run off him..
as for our forward line have mcphee and gumby leading up the ground and play lloyd as our main focus in the forward line with occasionally laycock drifting in..
imo we should leave hille at bendigo for another week although i think sheeds will bring him in..

Slatts on foley..

and we should win...
sheedy does some things though which really frustrate me. like MJ playing in defence LEAVE HIM FORWARD!!. i feel pev will come back in even though i think he should be left out.. i like players who are accountable, jobe and pev havent been that... if we have the likes of welsh, slatts, lovett, winderlick, stanton etc running through the midfeild at least we know there will be pressure on the ball carrier.
 

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