Mal

[campbell]

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,20443617%5E19742,00.html

Hate this time of year. Why can't we just sign these 2 guys.Where and what is the problem?

 

[irel]

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,20443617%5E19742,00.html

Hate this time of year. Why can't we just sign these 2 guys.Where and what is the problem?

There is no problem with Brisbane Lions.
Read the article.

Mal does not need to be signed: Quote: "Michael wants to increase his role in community and charity projects in his native Papua New Guinea next year.

The Lions are not keen on Michael's request to scale back his training obligations, prompting the triple-premiership star to look at his options.

He is contracted for one more year with Brisbane and has also mentioned Sydney as a possible option, or retirement if he cannot juggle football and business interests".

Bradshaw's manager does his negotiating through the media. You should know Ron Joseph by now. Many players from many clubs are out of contract this time of year. The good ones get offers from other clubs. Read this as well, http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2006/09/19/1158431712598.html

Both the Carlton boys would hold some interest to Leigh. Especially if Mal decides to walk.

 

[campbell]

But why can't we do whatever it takes to keep both these guys.
Instead of thinking we could be interested in both the Carlton boys.Better to keep the guys who have served the club very well over time.

messy time of year.

 

[Vidman]

But why can't we do whatever it takes to keep both these guys.
Instead of thinking we could be interested in both the Carlton boys.Better to keep the guys who have served the club very well over time.

messy time of year.

I agree its our preference to keep em campbell, but you cant overpay these guys. If you did you would also have overpaid Riska and Shermo and after a while your going to be letting people go because you are over the salary cap. Hate the cap, always have always will, its to blame for everything!

 

[irel]

But why can't we do whatever it takes to keep both these guys.
Instead of thinking we could be interested in both the Carlton boys.Better to keep the guys who have served the club very well over time.

messy time of year.

Because the club has been charged by it's members and supporters with the responsibility to always look at ways of improving, win games, win premierships. They must do everything possible to improve the list, look at every option to get an opportunity to win a premiership the quickest and best way possible. That may be looking at other players from other clubs and cutting players from our own list. Yes sometimes it does involve loosing good players as well.

In this case it is not the club that is at fault. The club clearly has stated that both are required players. However on "our" terms. It can't be any other way. Do you understand that concept? The club can not be compromised!

 

[campbell]

yeah, I know. I would rather keep braddy, than Chris Scott , if its money thats the problem.

mal only wants time stuff, not money.I think we should be a little bit flexible here with him.

 

[campbell]

Because the club has been charged by it's members and supporters with the responsibility to always look at ways of improving, win games, win premierships. They must do everything possible to improve the list, look at every option to get an opportunity to win a premiership the quickest and best way possible. That may be looking at other players from other clubs and cutting players from our own list. Yes sometimes it does involve loosing good players as well.

In this case it is not the club that is at fault. The club clearly has stated that both are required players. However on "our" terms. It can't be any other way. Do you understand that concept? The club can not be compromised!

I can remember that in the past we had required players, who we put up for draft talks. ie Possum and Braddy.

I hate it that the players are just pawns on a chess board, no empathy for them in any of this.They can do their utter best for us as a club, be the best.Then at the whim of someone can be on the outer for whatever reason.Whether its a change in policy to youth or whatever.Sometimes we tend to forget that its the players who are our club.Happy contented players walk over hot coals for u as a club.

 

[The Flying Belgian]

I agree its our preference to keep em campbell, but you cant overpay these guys. If you did you would also have overpaid Riska and Shermo and after a while your going to be letting people go because you are over the salary cap. Hate the cap, always have always will, its to blame for everything!

Yep, lets just sign all our gun players for whatever coin they want. It'll all be sweet, won't it? Oh, but wait, then we'll be complaining about how we can't keep all our promising young players. So much to complain about. Some must be right in their element...

Seriously though, I don't know how many years we must go through the same thing and not learn any lessons from it. Player managers (some more than others) will use the media to get the best deal for their clients. How many times have we seen this before, only with the player deciding he'll stay.

Oh that's right, I forgot - the club's in disarray and no one wants to play for our dictator of a coach. My mistake.

 

[kimp]

Oh please. Everything they do they do for themselves. These are also incredibly well paid individuals. There are reasons they are paid as much as they are. There are always downsides in life.

Mal knows he has a very good bargaining position and he's taking advantage of that (as is his right) but that doesn't mean that the club should play ball. They've done that in the past and it has bitten them.

 

[Lady Lawrence]

I hate it that the players are just pawns on a chess board, no empathy for them in any of this.They can do their utter best for us as a club, be the best.Then at the whim of someone can be on the outer for whatever reason.Whether its a change in policy to youth or whatever.Sometimes we tend to forget that its the players who are our club.Happy contented players walk over hot coals for u as a club.

Campbell you just have to accept that this is the way it is at ALL footy clubs. They are just pawns on a chess board, some are knights, some are rooks but at the end of the day they are all just pieces of a puzzle and they are all expendable and replaceable. This is the same in any business. People are made redundant all the time. I myself was made redundant earlier this year to be replaced by a cheaper version under a different position title. Happens all the time.

Like it? NO.

Accept it? - you just have to.

 

[The Flying Belgian]

yeah, I know. I would rather keep braddy, than Chris Scott , if its money thats the problem.

mal only wants time stuff, not money.I think we should be a little bit flexible here with him.

Scott's earned his 4-year contract by taking what I can only term "a wee bit less" than what he should have, in turn for a longer contract. It's not on wanting him to hang up the boots, although being the team man he is it wouldn't surprise me if he did. But as one of the most vocal players imploring his teammates to take pay cuts to keep the team together, I reckon we owe it to him to keep off his back about it.

I'm with you on Mal. I can't beleive that players need to be at the club 7 days a week anyway. There's a surefire way to get sick of your workplace.

 

[POBT]

yeah, I know. I would rather keep braddy, than Chris Scott , if its money thats the problem.

Chris Scott is contracted and Bradshaw is not. I think we'd all choose Bradshaw if we had to make a choice between the two but we can't make a choice. If Bradshaw wants to go, he will go. If Chris Scott wants to stay then we have no choice.

Irel is right. We can't "do whatever it takes" to keep these guys. We do as much as we can given the circumstances.

mal only wants time stuff, not money.I think we should be a little bit flexible here with him.

I think so too but this article shows why you don't believe the media. Mal has come out and said (direct quote) that he doesn't want to lessen his training commitments - just to have a more suitable schedule. This article then states (with no quote from Mal or other source noted) that "The Lions are not keen on Michael's request to scale back his training obligations." But Mal said himself that he doesn't want to scale back his training commitments!!!!!

So if that is garbage (which appears to be the case), how much more of what is printed in the papers is garbage?

 

[John]

Seriously though, I don't know how many years we must go through the same thing and not learn any lessons from it. Player managers (some more than others) will use the media to get the best deal for their clients. How many times have we seen this before, only with the player deciding he'll stay.

Yep agree. It is all a bit of a yawn really. Is it like this every year on Bigfooty,
getting our knickers in a knot over media speculation? And to add player movement in the AFL is small in comparison to other professional sports.

 

[John]

So if that is garbage (which appears to be the case), how much more of what is printed in the papers is garbage?

Rhetorical question POBT?

 

[campbell]

Yep agree. It is all a bit of a yawn really. Is it like this every year on Bigfooty,
getting our knickers in a knot over media speculation? And to add player movement in the AFL is small in comparison to other professional sports.

My kids know personally a couple of current listed players.I remember that at the time of their contract crap, in the paper was said stuff, which from the manager was very close ot the mark, but I was pretty amazed at what the club actually did to these players. ie how LOW their new contract offers were. ie playing super well, on a contract, contract run out, then new offer a lot lower.
Manager trying to get the same money as last contract, not offered due to the cap or whatever.Players ended up with lower contracts as they wanted to be here with the Lions, but for whatever reason, they were financially disadvantaged in staying with us.ie, good players accepting less than they had in new contracts.


These players are still on our list.Loyal blokes.

 

[irel]

Yep agree. It is all a bit of a yawn really. Is it like this every year on Bigfooty,
getting our knickers in a knot over media speculation? And to add player movement in the AFL is small in comparison to other professional sports.

Yep. Lot's of talk no action, unlike football (soccer) there is hardly a deal being done in Aussie Rules. Most seem to think that this year in particular no club will want to part with their draft pick especially their high draft picks. I am of the opposite view. I think this year there will be lots of deals and lots of movement and lots of draft picks being traded. This is a deep draft. It makes absolutely no difference in the quality the club recruits with pick 20 or pick 40. Therefore having pick 39 and pick 40 holds equal value to pick 23 an 24. The only issue is if a club has identified a particular player and wants to make sure they don't miss out.

So trading Mal and Bradshaw will bring good rewards if we get draft picks in return. I am not too cut up if Bradshaw leaves. In fact now may be the perfect opportunity to get the best value for him. I would like the club to call his bluff and play tough in negotiating a new deal. If he leaves, so be it, so what. People forget that no one is irreplaceable. For every player on our list there's a thousand kids just waiting to be given a chance.

 

[campbell]

Campbell you just have to accept that this is the way it is at ALL footy clubs. They are just pawns on a chess board, some are knights, some are rooks but at the end of the day they are all just pieces of a puzzle and they are all expendable and replaceable. This is the same in any business. People are made redundant all the time. I myself was made redundant earlier this year to be replaced by a cheaper version under a different position title. Happens all the time.

Like it? NO.

Accept it? - you just have to.

I know, and accept it.thats why I hate this time of year,, the meat market time.


I think I get frustrated with people saying they are overpaid for what they do.

 

[Lady Lawrence]

I know, and accept it.thats why I hate this time of year,, the meat market time.


I think I get frustrated with people saying they are overpaid for what they do.

When you think about it I am not sure some of them get paid enough. I reckon half of them by the time they are fifty are gonna need zimmer frames to walk!

There is only a select few that will go on to make any sort of decent money after their footy careers are over. No matter how legendary they are. Look at Papa Bear - he's running a post office on the gold coast. I'm sure that's not a mega earner. Most from the time they can walk know nothing except footy then an average playing career of say 10 years. Leaves a long time after that to fill and earn money. So if you spread out their income over the average working life it's not that much at all. Finding it difficult to explain what I mean.

 

[campbell]

Oh please. Everything they do they do for themselves. These are also incredibly well paid individuals. There are reasons they are paid as much as they are. There are always downsides in life.

Mal knows he has a very good bargaining position and he's taking advantage of that (as is his right) but that doesn't mean that the club should play ball. They've done that in the past and it has bitten them.

I suppose I can never agree with you point of view that they are incredibly well paid individuals, a lot are not.

 

[campbell]

When you think about it I am not sure some of them get paid enough. I reckon half of them by the time they are fifty are gonna need zimmer frames to walk!

There is only a select few that will go on to make any sort of decent money after their footy careers are over. No matter how legendary they are. Look at Papa Bear - he's running a post office on the gold coast. I'm sure that's not a mega earner. Most from the time they can walk know nothing except footy then an average playing career of say 10 years. Leaves a long time after that to fill and earn money. So if you spread out their income over the average working life it's not that much at all. Finding it difficult to explain what I mean.

I know, who would have thought at the time Papa bear would be running a post office.

I would hate think of Vossy an dothers not being able to bend down and play with their kids in 10 years time.No amount of money is worth that.

 

[kimp]

I suppose I can never agree with you point of view that they are incredibly well paid individuals, a lot are not.

If they are not paid well then they are welcome to do something else. Same as if they are unhappy with the Lions offer then they are free to move somewhere else. These are decisions that are made by people every day all around the world.

Sorry if I don't feel sorry for kids being paid more money than most will ever see and certainly substantially more than 99% of kids their own age. If they don't move onto other careers after their football career is over then that's their own problem.

They are only sportsmen being paid to do something they love and at a very successful club. Compare that to the kids in the armed forces who are genuinely putting their life on the line, getting paid a measly sum and unfortunately in some cases scarred for the rest of the lives for all number of reasons. Keep the melodrama for those that are worthy.

 

[campbell]

If they are not paid well then they are welcome to do something else. Same as if they are unhappy with the Lions offer then they are free to move somewhere else. These are decisions that are made by people every day all around the world.

Sorry if I don't feel sorry for kids being paid more money than most will ever see and certainly substantially more than 99% of kids their own age. If they don't move onto other careers after their football career is over then that's their own problem.

They are only sportsmen being paid to do something they love and at a very successful club. Compare that to the kids in the armed forces who are genuinely putting their life on the line, getting paid a measly sum and unfortunately in some cases scarred for the rest of the lives for all number of reasons. Keep the melodrama for those that are worthy.

Goodness me. Why do you have this opinion of our players.

As for the more money there are a lot of people their ages.A qualified electrician or plumber after a 4 yr apprenticeship at 20/21, can be on more than a footy player.The difference is they have this for their whole working life.
Players work exceptionally hard on and off the field for a short period of time in their workable life.

Most are not fortunate enough to get work after their careers are over.Very few coaching and media positions in relaltion to players playing or played.

Careers can end in a blink due to injury at 21.

 

[Lady Lawrence]

oh dear me, please don't let's go down this path. It could go on forever. Why do we pay money for our membership to enjoy football 12 times a year when we could donate that to Wildlife Warriors etc......................

 

[kimp]

Goodness me. Why do you have this opinion of our players.

I don't have that opinion of the players I have that opinion of your opinion.

As for the more money thaa a lot of people their ages.maybe not, a qualified electrician or plumber after a 4 yr apprenticeship at 20/21, can be on more than a footy player.The difference is they have this for their whole working life.

It's called choice. No one is forcing these kids to play professional football. If some one does an apprenticeship given the appalling conditions they put up with then at least they have the forsight to see the rewards at the end (and I must say those rewards are only a recent state).

Players work exceptionally hard on and off the field for a short period of time in their workable life.

They work physically hard but please apart from the physicality of it they work no harder than most people.

Most are not fortunate enough to get work after their careers are over.

How is this different to ever Tom, **** and Harry out in the workforce? if they can't get work in the current climate then they need to look at their skills and train up just like everyone else.

Very few coaching and media positions in rlealation to players playing or played.

Careers can end in a blink due to injury at 21.

So their only option is football? That's insulting to the players more than anything. A lot of these guys have studied and have degrees. Ones with foresight actually take a part-time job as well.

This is all about choice.

 

[Homer Jnr]

If they are not paid well then they are welcome to do something else. Same as if they are unhappy with the Lions offer then they are free to move somewhere else. These are decisions that are made by people every day all around the world.

Sorry if I don't feel sorry for kids being paid more money than most will ever see and certainly substantially more than 99% of kids their own age. If they don't move onto other careers after their football career is over then that's their own problem.

They are only sportsmen being paid to do something they love and at a very successful club. Compare that to the kids in the armed forces who are genuinely putting their life on the line, getting paid a measly sum and unfortunately in some cases scarred for the rest of the lives for all number of reasons. Keep the melodrama for those that are worthy.

Anyone that earns over $100,000 is obviously good at what they do. Whether it is in TV, Business, Law, Politics, Security, Education etc etc etc

So don't begrudge footy players their $$$ when they are super-fit athletes, held at the whim of the powers above them, who bust an arse to entertain us.

Overpaid? Not really, but it depends on your perspective.