Science/Environment Mankind versus Nature

[Relativity]

Just a philosophical question. When did mankinds actions cease to be anything other than the dynamics of nature and natural evolution?

 

[Frodo]

Nature will always prevail.

Mankind needs something to occupy themselves. WAR!!!

War against each other

Phantom war...eg Football

Fantasy war.....the most dangerous. Tampering with nature to fulfil a potential fallacy.

 

[bit_pattern]

When we got booted out of the Garden

Seems to me that the duality that is human nature is fundamentally rooted in this delusion that we are separate from the natural world.

 

[Frodo]

When we got booted out of the Garden

Seems to me that the duality that is human nature is fundamentally rooted in this delusion that we are separate from the natural world.

Yes, I can see the cognisant connection, although I fear for the young Australian desire for a lack of such an altruism.

 

[bit_pattern]

I think you've missed the point altogether tbh

 

[Frodo]

Quite probable

 

[Relativity]

When we got booted out of the Garden

Seems to me that the duality that is human nature is fundamentally rooted in this delusion that we are separate from the natural world.

Care to elaborate on your concept of duality?

 

[bit_pattern]

Well... I'll try but I'm no philosopher. It seems to me that we split everything into two, and at a very fundamnetal level we experience reality as a kind of dichotomy, we see thing from an I/it perspective when in reality there is no such dichotomy, it's a product of mind, when really there is only a single whole. Because we have ego we are kind of trapped in this delusion that we are separate from nature. I think this is what a lot of Eastern philosophy is getting at, although it could well just be my jumbled interpretation.

I remember trying to (unsuccessfully) wrap my head around this book, which I think is getting at the same idea, but again I could have it all arse-backwards.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_and_Thou

 

[skilts]

Just a philosophical question. When did mankinds actions cease to be anything other than the dynamics of nature and natural evolution?

Possibly when we started writing sentences like the latter one.

Unfortunately, the way this question is structured constitutes a massive case of 'begging the question'. One of the best I've seen, mind you.

My guess would be, when we realised that pregnancy was related to sexual intercourse. That, to me, is when we came down from the trees, onto the savannah, and spread, assisted by our ability to walk upright.

 

[Rosstickle]

We didn't.

It's odd how monkeys use tools yet are considered natural, yet we are not when we use ours. Apparently intelligence isn't a natural occurence.

 

[HarryTiger]

When we started using toilet paper.

 

[Richo83]

Well... I'll try but I'm no philosopher. It seems to me that we split everything into two, and at a very fundamnetal level we experience reality as a kind of dichotomy, we see thing from an I/it perspective when in reality there is no such dichotomy, it's a product of mind, when really there is only a single whole. Because we have ego we are kind of trapped in this delusion that we are separate from nature. I think this is what a lot of Eastern philosophy is getting at, although it could well just be my jumbled interpretation.

I remember trying to (unsuccessfully) wrap my head around this book, which I think is getting at the same idea, but again I could have it all arse-backwards.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_and_Thou

Didn't rate that book, and I don't think that really addressed this issue.

This is a better page IMO: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subject-object_problem

Humans became devoid from nature when we treated nature as an object and us humans as a human studying it, rather than say both as subjects or objects.

No I kid, when we realised nature was lame, hot and boring.

 

[skilts]

When we started using toilet paper.

You have a roll to play in this thread.

 

[bit_pattern]

^^ This is why I hate discussing anything vaguely philosophical on this board, knew I should have stayed out of the thread

 

[likka]

What about Mankind vs Undertaker...

 

[Pie eyed]

Just a philosophical question. When did mankinds actions cease to be anything other than the dynamics of nature and natural evolution?

Several years after it was discovered you could make a tidy profit from the assumption.