Recommitted Marcus Windhager - re-signed for 4 more years

[VDS66]

What analytics gave them 1.7 a year for TDK?

$1m for the player
$300k for the small club tax (cost of attracting players)
$400k for the pleasure of pissing off Bloser fans

 

[ray_purchase]

Nathan Buckley already working his magic behind the scenes. Welcome to the Dees, Marcus.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I couldn't think of a worse fit for him than Melbourne.

 

[Falchoon]

I couldn't think of a worse fit for him than Melbourne.

Nathan Jones 2.0

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Strange choice, but good luck to him if it eventuates.

 

[TiAn_]

Saints refusing to budge on a 2 year offer for this bloke all year, until a week ago. Why play with fire with one of your few kids that has actually established himself. A free hit from their NGA as well.

 

[Tasmanian saint]

Hard to say if you're dealing with us, considering we don't have a whole lot of capital this year. If we're looking at Windhager, it makes me think that one of Trac or Oliver will be moved (doesn't make much sense otherwise).

Hard to nail down. Great defensive mid who looked good in a more attacking role later this year, but is still somewhat unproven (at least in terms of his capacity to be an A-grader), and his disposal can be pretty suss.

If he's moving though, you'd imagine it's for decent coin, so the trade deal would have to be pretty solid.

Maybe a mid-first would be about right? (if we had it)

A mid first i
is pretty much spot on value wise I think , with maybe a swap of later picks if we decide to try and play hardball it would be disappointing to lose him but if it helps bring in Flanders he fills a bigger need for us

 

[DZ4]

The dumbest list management strategy since SOS last worked his giants magic at Carlton has backfired within a single week.

Hard to fathom they are willing to lose one of their best young kids, who is a home grown NGA talent and already best 22, for what is going to be unders over the sake of a few extra years. Could genuinely be a 3 way trade where the pick gets sent straight to GWS for Aleer who is half the player and surplus to needs at both GWS and St Kilda.

Well at least the Saints are “trying something different”

 

[Rich01]

What is the general consensus of his trade worth?
I am finding it hard to have an un-biased opinion on that.

If they can net out Ryan and Aleer for Windhanger I think there done ok.

Disappointed Richmond didn’t go after him and would have been very happy with giving up a pick 12+ in the open draft this year.

 

[Tasmanian saint]

Saints refusing to budge on a 2 year offer for this bloke all year, until a week ago. Why play with fire with one of your few kids that has actually established himself. A free hit from their NGA as well.

We were never going to overpay to keep him we actually have some depth for players of his type, Garcia and Boxall are developing nicely and have higher ceiling’s talent wise it would be nice to keep him but if him going gives us the trade capital to bring in Flanders that’s a win for us he would fill a much bigger need

 

[stavro#4]

Hard to say if you're dealing with us, considering we don't have a whole lot of capital this year. If we're looking at Windhager, it makes me think that one of Trac or Oliver will be moved (doesn't make much sense otherwise).

Hard to nail down. Great defensive mid who looked good in a more attacking role later this year, but is still somewhat unproven (at least in terms of his capacity to be an A-grader), and his disposal can be pretty suss.

If he's moving though, you'd imagine it's for decent coin, so the trade deal would have to be pretty solid.

Maybe a mid-first would be about right? (if we had it)

Your future first? Probably want to keep any first you get for Petracca if he goes and if he stays that’s probably all you have?

 

[Atomboy]

The dumbest list management strategy since SOS last worked his giants magic at Carlton has backfired within a single week.

Hard to fathom they are willing to lose one of their best young kids, who is a home grown NGA talent and already best 22, for what is going to be unders over the sake of a few extra years. Could genuinely be a 3 way trade where the pick gets sent straight to GWS for Aleer who is half the player and surplus to needs at both GWS and St Kilda.

Well at least the Saints are “trying something different”

“best young kids” is a stretch. He’s a handy foot soldier but reasonably easy to replace.

I’d be far more pissed if the likes of Boxshall, Garcia, Hall or Phillipou wanted to leave.

 

[Count_Zero]

I couldn't think of a worse fit for him than Melbourne.

West Coast Eagles.

 

[Sheepey]

Melbourne seems like an odd fit given their midfield is pretty set and they don't have a coach currently, but if that's his wish then best of luck to him.

 

[Scythe]

Your future first? Probably want to keep any first you get for Petracca if he goes and if he stays that’s probably all you have?

Tough one. If we trade our F1 for Windy and keep Trac, it'd be two consecutive years out of the first round, which isn't great for a team at our stage of rebuilding. Chance that could be a pretty good pick, too.

But not entirely sure how this works without Trac and/or Oliver going. Langford, Pickett, Rivers, Lindsay, Windsor, Petracca, Oliver, Viney and Windhager looks like a good group on paper, but there's just not enough midfield minutes to go around.

TL;DR – wouldn't want to send out F1 if we keep both Petracca and Oliver, but would be open to sending a first from a Petracca trade.

 

[DZ4]

We were never going to overpay to keep him we actually have some depth for players of his type, Garcia and Boxall are developing nicely and have higher ceiling’s talent wise it would be nice to keep him but if him going gives us the trade capital to bring in Flanders that’s a win for us he would fill a much bigger need

Just seems like there is very little strategy involved. All short term sugar hits with no long term vision.

Offer Windhager unders because you have lesser players on the list who could play his role. “Could” being the key word here with the switch up from rebuild thinking to finals now.

Offer TDK severe overs despite having Marshall, a superior ruckman, and Dodson, a great young kid who aligns perfectly with Marshall slowing down.

Very inconsistent imo. It will be a shame for the Saints to lose a home grown NGA kid and after all the fuss about academy advantages it makes it further baffling.

 

[VDS66]

Marcus is the consummate pro. Excellent trainer and impeccable prepper. I prefer him to stay.

A super star he ain't. Not sure what his ceiling is, but right now he's more Geary than Lenny.

I'm not sure why he doesn't back himself in on a short term and then cash in if he reaches A grade levels.

As much as I like him, if he is trying to grab his big payday because of our cap space, then let the cards fall where they will. That's on him.

The reality is that the 2 years is because the club wants to see how much he improves before a long-term / big $ offer.

In fairness to the club, they have to evaluate who our emerging mids are and if they are tracking to overtake him.

There's no point locking him in for 4 years on big dollars if they think he'll be squeezed out of the 22.

What players are coming in and for how much should have no bearing on his contract. A player's value should 100% be based on their output. He should be aware of this, just as every other player in the AFL.

This is a professional business, not some kid's birthday party where everyone gets a lolly bag.

Maybe those in charge see his flaws without the emotional attachment that fans have? It has been known that Lyon sees players as stars, future stars, and soldiers. Pay them accordingly.

TBH it sounds like old mate Finey is throwing grenades to help Windy.

I reckon he stays, but if Molly Meldrum gets involved, then I'll start to panic.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

We were never going to overpay to keep him we actually have some depth for players of his type, Garcia and Boxall are developing nicely and have higher ceiling’s talent wise it would be nice to keep him but if him going gives us the trade capital to bring in Flanders that’s a win for us he would fill a much bigger need

Gc aren't trading Flanders.

 

[VDS66]

Just seems like there is very little strategy involved. All short term sugar hits with no long term vision.

Offer Windhager unders because you have lesser players on the list who could play his role. “Could” being the key word here with the switch up from rebuild thinking to finals now.

Offer TDK severe overs despite having Marshall, a superior ruckman, and Dodson, a great young kid who aligns perfectly with Marshall slowing down.

Very inconsistent imo. It will be a shame for the Saints to lose a home grown NGA kid and after all the fuss about academy advantages it makes it further baffling.

You do realise that just because you don't accept a player's demands = offering him unders.

 

[TiAn_]

We were never going to overpay to keep him we actually have some depth for players of his type, Garcia and Boxall are developing nicely and have higher ceiling’s talent wise it would be nice to keep him but if him going gives us the trade capital to bring in Flanders that’s a win for us he would fill a much bigger need

Wouldn’t have thought the Saints were at the point of letting players like him go. He did very well on Bont earlier this year, only Saint that stood up in the guts.

Suspect a contracted Flanders is going to cost more than an OOC Windhager going to a club lower down the ladder that can apply the PSD threat discount to the trade.

 

[DZ4]

What players are coming in and for how much should have no bearing on his contract. A player's value should 100% be based on their output. He should be aware of this, just as every other player in the AFL.

A mostly reasonable post, but this caught my eye. The statement is a complete contradiction and goes against St Kilda’s recruiting strategy this offseason.

You don’t see how a player like Windhager could be put offside when similar/lesser players like Aleer, Ryan and Silvagni are getting greater offers to come play for St Kilda? Is he really worth less than half of TDK?

Can’t have it both ways.

 

[DZ4]

You do realise that just because you don't accept a player's demands = offering him unders.

It’s well reported that the offer was only 2 years right up until a few days ago. What’s Aleer had on the table for the last 3 months?

 

[Sheepey]

Wouldn’t have thought the Saints were at the point of letting players like him go. He did very well on Bont earlier this year, only Saint that stood up in the guts.

Suspect a contracted Flanders is going to cost more than an OOC Windhager going to a club lower down the ladder that can apply the PSD threat discount to the trade.

I highly doubt the PSD is a genuine threat given it was reported West Coast was keen on him. He'd be a better fit for them than in Melbourne IMO.

 

[Tasmanian saint]

Gc aren't trading Flanders.

Time will tell I suppose it’s not like they desperately need to keep him

 

[stavro#4]

Tough one. If we trade our F1 for Windy and keep Trac, it'd be two consecutive years out of the first round, which isn't great for a team at our stage of rebuilding. Chance that could be a pretty good pick, too.

But not entirely sure how this works without Trac and/or Oliver going. Langford, Pickett, Rivers, Lindsay, Windsor, Petracca, Oliver, Viney and Windhager looks like a good group on paper, but there's just not enough midfield minutes to go around.

TL;DR – wouldn't want to send out F1 if we keep both Petracca and Oliver, but would be open to sending a first from a Petracca trade.

Yeah, it’s a head scratcher on how you do it.

Finey gets good info. But simultaneously I think the info is outdated.

Our president and Ross met with Windhager on Friday morning. Which I’m guessing it was about this.