Mark McGough

[dazzledavey36]

just wondering how do you think he will go next year???? i really thought he was gonna get delisted but survived the cut. with some of your young players coming up im wondering will they pass him?? he is from my hometown and use to be good mates with my brother but hardly talks to him anymore. will he be a regular player or just a fringe??

thanks

 

[Firrito24]

I would have thought that Guerra would have stayed before McGough. Obviouslt GT sees something I don't!!

 

[Rocco Jones]

I would have thought that Guerra would have stayed before McGough. Obviouslt GT sees something I don't!!

Retains McGough, Schwarze, Powell, Thompson and Peckett but wouldn't pick up any 30 year old no matter the circumstances. I don't see alot of things GT does. Guess I must be very stupid because he is a genius. He thinks outside the square I guess and he does that by sticking strictly to rules he creates. Genius.

 

[Joffaboy]

Retains McGough, Schwarze, Powell, Thompson and Peckett but wouldn't pick up any 30 year old no matter the circumstances. I don't see alot of things GT does. Guess I must be very stupid because he is a genius. He thinks outside the square I guess and he does that by sticking strictly to rules he creates. Genius.

McGough and Schwarze are young and Powell Thompson and Peckett are worth ten times more to the club than Guerra.

Yup the Saints dont pick 30 y.o.s. They dont believe in wasting DP for 32 y.o. has beens but then again nobody could deny the genius of a club that is a parasite and dole bludger doing so in the last draft

Get off our board and go and rattle a tin.

 

[sainter]

Retains McGough, Schwarze, Powell, Thompson and Peckett but wouldn't pick up any 30 year old no matter the circumstances. I don't see alot of things GT does. Guess I must be very stupid because he is a genius. He thinks outside the square I guess and he does that by sticking strictly to rules he creates. Genius.

It's very, very boring.

 

[bozza1980]

Retains McGough, Schwarze, Powell, Thompson and Peckett but wouldn't pick up any 30 year old no matter the circumstances.

I really do not see what your point is here, as Joffa posted McGough and Schwarze are in their early 20's, besides that retaining older players (Powell, Thompson and Peckett) isn't the same as recruiting older players.

The St Kilda drafting philosophy is that the player must be able to play 100+ games for the club, considering that the club has improved from cellar dwellars to premiership favourites I would suggest the formula is working.

 

[Rocco Jones]

Retains McGough, Schwarze, Powell, Thompson and Peckett but wouldn't pick up any 30 year old no matter the circumstances.

I really do not see what your point is here, as Joffa posted McGough and Schwarze are in their early 20's, besides that retaining older players (Powell, Thompson and Peckett) isn't the same as recruiting older players.

The St Kilda drafting philosophy is that the player must be able to play 100+ games for the club, considering that the club has improved from cellar dwellars to premiership favourites I would suggest the formula is working.

Thank you for a rational response.

 

[sainter]

Your original post did not deserve a rational response.

 

[Rocco Jones]

Your original post did not deserve a rational response.

Not allowed to question Grant Thomas? OK I will do a Sainter to fit in.

I agree entirely with Grant Thomas even in circumstances were agreeing with him contradicts arguments I have previously put forward. I will put this down to being wrong in the past and GT showing me the correct path.

 

[sainter]

Not allowed to question Grant Thomas? OK I will do a Sainter to fit in.

I agree entirely with Grant Thomas even in circumstances were agreeing with him contradicts arguments I have previously put forward. I will put this down to being wrong in the past and GT showing me the correct path.

You can question Grant Thomas all you like.

If your original question had been put together in a less cynical manner then I'm sure other Saints fans would have been more willing to share their opinion.

We've been through this many times and I'm not going through it again. Because I happen agree with Thommo that drafting players over 30 years old is not the best strategy for our football club I'm blindly accepting everything he says and does. Frankly I don't care what you think. He's done a great job with our football club. Oops, there I go again. Accepting mediocrity.

Thanks for visiting our board.

 

[Joffaboy]

Not allowed to question Grant Thomas? OK I will do a Sainter to fit in.

I agree entirely with Grant Thomas even in circumstances were agreeing with him contradicts arguments I have previously put forward. I will put this down to being wrong in the past and GT showing me the correct path.

You are nothing but a troll. Go and rattle a tin somewhere pauper.

 

[Bomber Man]

Anyway, about McGough... Does anyone think he can claim a spot in the Saints line-up?

I rated his ability at Collingwood but thought he didn't get enough time on the paddock, and that part hasn't really changed at the Saints (not surprising given the list quality).

He's definitely a ball-magnet when on the field, shows hunger and no fear in traffic, but has a reputation for poor delivery... do you think that's because he gets more of the hard ball and delivers under pressure?

 

[Axcellence]

Anyway, about McGough... Does anyone think he can claim a spot in the Saints line-up?

I rated his ability at Collingwood but thought he didn't get enough time on the paddock, and that part hasn't really changed at the Saints (not surprising given the list quality).

He's definitely a ball-magnet when on the field, shows hunger and no fear in traffic, but has a reputation for poor delivery... do you think that's because he gets more of the hard ball and delivers under pressure?

Plain & Simple - he can't kick and he does not have confidence in his kick. He's a 2nd line backup midfielder. (1st backups being Gwilt, Fiora, Montagna, leigh fisher, Raphael Clarke etc). Every team has them, and I am sure Essendon does as well.

As the new rules come in, expect players like Guerra and McGough ending up in the bin.

 

[Bomber Man]

Plain & Simple - he can't kick and he does not have confidence in his kick. He's a 2nd line backup midfielder. (1st backups being Gwilt, Fiora, Montagna, leigh fisher, Raphael Clarke etc). Every team has them, and I am sure Essendon does as well.

As the new rules come in, expect players like Guerra and McGough ending up in the bin.

Shame, I just think back to some of the good footy I've seen him play - he probably could've been a 1st line midfielder at Essendon in the past 2 seasons.
He is still pretty young, maybe he can still grow and make an impression if his head's in the right place.

 

[NICK THE PIE MAN]

A shame about McGough. I wanted us to keep him at Collingwood at the time. Ball magnets like him don't grow on trees. I still rue the fact we didn't select him in the 2002 GF. The conditions were taylor-made for him. Stupid stupid stupid. Anyway, I'm getting off track.

As I said, a shame for him. He would have been a star in the 70's.

But, unfortunately, can't kick and is slow as a turtle. That's game, set and match in today's game.

 

[sainter]

When it comes to McGough I'm usually on my own amongst fellow Saints fans because I genuinely think there's a place for him in our team. As Bomber Man and Nick have said his attack on the ball and ability to find the footy can't be questioned. The question marks are over his pace and disposal. He's never going to be great in these areas but if he can continue to work hard there's a couple of players called Thompson and Powell who are similar and are at a stage where they are no longer automatic selections. You can have as many of the Harvey, Hayes, Ball and Dal Santo types as you like but they wouldn't be anywhere near as effective without the likes of Baker, Thompson and Powell.

He was fantastic for the Scorpions this year and I'd like to think if he was given his chance he would take it. I'd also hope that our supporters would give him an opportunity as well.

 

[Kildonan]

I think he will be a regular in our 2007 lineup.
The pending retirements of Harvey, Peckett, Thompson and possibly Powell will give McGough a real opportunity to cement a spot.
He would be ready made for replacement of Powell or Thompson.

 

[Fred]

Doesn't say much for junior coaching standards when a bloke like him with many good attributes can make a senior list without his kicking problem being corrected. Didn't he realise himself there was a problem and seek help?
In professional sports like tennis and golf, a weakness in such a fundamental part of the game would mean starvation.

 

[Rhombus]

In sports like Tennis and Golf participants are reliant on principally one skill set.

Aussie rules is a sport that has catered for players with different skills. In this instance McGough is a ball magnet, courageous, good in close but he spoils it with his woeful kicking and decision making (Yet he still survives)

 

[sammm]

In sports like Tennis and Golf participants are reliant on principally one skill set.

Aussie rules is a sport that has catered for players with different skills. In this instance McGough is a ball magnet, courageous, good in close but he spoils it with his woeful kicking and decision making (Yet he still survives)

probably the only reason he survived was that he was on a standard 2 year contract.

 

[sainter]

probably the only reason he survived was that he was on a standard 2 year contract.

I'm not sure really.

I've got a feeling GT rates him a little higher than most of our supporters.

We all know his kicking is awful. But let's face it, is it that much worse than Thommo or Powelly?

 

[sammm]

I'm not sure really.

I've got a feeling GT rates him a little higher than most of our supporters.

We all know his kicking is awful. But let's face it, is it that much worse than Thommo or Powelly?

why wouldn't mcgough go and and get a private skills coach to teach him?

 

[sainter]

why wouldn't mcgough go and and get a private skills coach to teach him?

I'm sure he works hard on it at training but it's hard to undo the flaws in a technique that you've used your whole life.

Providing he can improve his decision making I still think there's a spot for him. He's rarely going to hit a leading forward lace out from 50 metres away but what he will do is win the hard ball in traffic. When he gets it he's just got to learn to kick the ball to the advantage of his teammates.

Because I saw most of the Scorpions games this year I've probably got a different appreciation for what a fit and firing McGough means to a team. If my view was solely on what I'd seen from him for Collingwood and St Kilda then I'd agree with you. He's got weaknesses to his game that will always be there but if he get them to a level where the team is not exposed by them then he could be an effective AFL player.

I expect this thread to be brought back at the end of the season when he's played no more than a handful of games and was terrible in all of them.

 

[Kildonan]

If you're interested, there is a previous thread on this board.

Mark McGough

 

[sammm]

I'm sure he works hard on it at training but it's hard to undo the flaws in a technique that you've used your whole life.

Providing he can improve his decision making I still think there's a spot for him. He's rarely going to hit a leading forward lace out from 50 metres away but what he will do is win the hard ball in traffic. When he gets it he's just got to learn to kick the ball to the advantage of his teammates.

Because I saw most of the Scorpions games this year I've probably got a different appreciation for what a fit and firing McGough means to a team. If my view was solely on what I'd seen from him for Collingwood and St Kilda then I'd agree with you. He's got weaknesses to his game that will always be there but if he get them to a level where the team is not exposed by them then he could be an effective AFL player.

I expect this thread to be brought back at the end of the season when he's played no more than a handful of games and was terrible in all of them.

but still my question is relevent,why wouldn't he go and get a private coach for the summer to teach him. he would earn enough to do this. why wouldn't he?