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Martin Hardie: I write the forms... I think Evans ran the program

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The GG said:
In fairness to Cozza, it was FuManchu who started an article with the sub-title: ....I think Evans ran the program.

A lot of what Cozza is implying (not always directly, it has to be said) touches on that very sub-title.

I agree with many posters that his story should be a bit more coherent and to the point, there appears to be a bit too much irrelevant filler in there.

But there can be no denying that the bit about Evans is definitely relevant to this thread.
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I started a thread similar to this that was incorporated into this thread.

It's all good to have the discussion, but don't throw out obscure references to land deals in Geelong and God knows what else and tell us to think beyond the square. Not to mention slabs of newspaper articles that don't discuss how Evans may have instigated this program but just points to a big boys club that we all assumed existed anyway.

Make your point, make definitive links, make your insinuations, but don't just dangle a carrot, tell us to do the chasing and come to the conclusions he wants.

He seemingly has an agenda and its seemingly to deflect away from the drugs program and unless he can say exactly what he means, it's just a hotch potch of some agenda many couldn't care less about.
 
FuManchu said:
I started a thread similar to this that was incorporated into this thread.

It's all good to have the discussion, but don't throw out obscure references to land deals in Geelong and God knows what else and tell us to think beyond the square. Not to mention slabs of newspaper articles that don't discuss how Evans may have instigated this program but just points to a big boys club that we all assumed existed anyway.

Make your point, make definitive links, make your insinuations, but don't just dangle a carrot, tell us to do the chasing and come to the conclusions he wants.

He seemingly has an agenda and its seemingly to deflect away from the drugs program and unless he can say exactly what he means, it's just a hotch potch of some agenda many couldn't care less about.
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Only possible ”agenda” is that the mainstream AFL writers aren’t doing this forensic-level investigating, and I’d rather the common man know it, then send it to a mainstream journo, who might not cover it for various reasons (keeping their AFL Media Accreditation for one thing).

The Business deals? Absolutely worth investigation, in the sense that the chronology of the deals presented make some sense, they funnel to a point that we have today.

There was clearly a hive of activity mid to late 2010, when plans were made to get Hird and Thompson back to Essendon. 18 months later, all hell breaks loose. By 2011, someone went to the ACC, so something stank.

The commercial journos’ have not dug back to 2010 for us to look at the ‘formation’ of the modern day Essendon hierarchy. They have simply gone “the drugs, the drugs” and focused on that. They haven’t, or refuse to do, the background work which lead to the whole mess.

I hope that helps clear up some intent.
 
Cozza hurry up.
After years of video games, TV and the internet. I don't have the attention span to keep going with this.
Can you make your point or at least speed up.

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CozzaD said:
A hypothesis is that the corruption may have caused “ASADA”, in the sense that, these blokes are so ‘in themselves, their own little community, and in their own little loop’, that “ASADA” happened. By the way, maybe one or two journo's have been asked this question and chosen to ignore it?

I get the fact that this section of the forum discusses the drugs and all that, but all I’ve read for the last few months, before logging on, is about “My mate on the inside told me that Dank called Charter, who said that Hird is a soft touch” and other useless jargon. It’s immaterial, and too focused on the small picture. The drugs AREN’T the end game, otherwise this issue would have been resolved by now.

Enough ranting, another bombshell. I’ve read comments on here that Ess had to leave Windy Hill because of the Bowls Club, I’m not so sure on that. The chain below, I feel, may support a claim that none other than AFL Chairman Mike Fitzpatrick, whose private company has a stake in the Management of Melbourne Airport, may have directly or indirectly pushed Essendon there. Naturally Paul Little is trying to cash in on this, as you can see below. Ex Vic Planning Minister Justin Madden is back again. So is Dane Swan inadvertently.


> http://services.land.vic.gov.au/landchannel/jsp/reports/AirportOverlayIntro.jsp
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> http://www.dpcd.vic.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0013/137110/Hume_C95.pdf
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> March-June 2007
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> The Minister for Planning, Justin Madden, MLC, recently approved an amendment to the Victoria Planning Provisions, introducing the Melbourne Airport Environs Overlay.
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> The Airport Environs Overlay that applied previously, provided planning controls to manage the environmental effects of aircraft noise and protect the continuing operation of Melbourne Airport. It was first introduced in 1992.
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> Amendment VC30 which came into effect on 14 May 2007 introduced the new Melbourne Airport Environs Overlay to update the previous overlay and reflect more accurate, revised noise forecast data. The overlay introduced additional controls in relation to the types of uses possible on some lots and the type of construction most appropriate to limit the impact of noise in new buildings.
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> http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...-bold-and-leave-windy-hill-20100602-wzsd.html
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> June 2010
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> IN A week when it has become apparent that Gary Ablett will most likely leave Geelong and the competition will pay a rugby league star who has barely kicked a football more than Ablett now earns in marketing money alone, it has also emerged that the AFL has encouraged Essendon to leave Windy Hill.
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> But AFL chairman Mike Fitzpatrick and chief executive Andrew Demetriou have advised the club to be bold
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> http://www.smh.com.au/business/busi...base-at-melbourne-airport-20140429-37ftw.html
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> April 2014
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> Melbourne businessman Paul Little will establish a VIP jet base at Melbourne Airport after buying the aviation facility assets of Leighton Holdings subsidiary John Holland in a deal understood to be worth about $10 million.
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> He is also chairman of AFL club Essendon.
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/la...-airport-project/story-fni0fee2-1227106513741

October 2014

A LABOUR hire firm with criminal links has been contracted to work in secure airside areas of the $1 billion Melbourne Airport redevelopment.

Matching of court records with CBUS superannuation contributions made by construction company KPI shows that KPI staff have serious criminal convictions.

Leighton Contractors has hired KPI to work on both the airside development of terminal four, which will be home to Tiger Air’s new base, and the car park redevelopment at Melbourne Airport.

KPI has links with the CFMEU and has rapidly expanded since it began its first lucrative job at the Victorian desalination plant in 2010.

KPI company director Kevin Ramsay, who has convictions for stalking and unlawful assault, told the Herald Sun to “f--- off” when asked about his staff’s criminal history.

Mr Ramsay’s son Aaron, a former Williamstown VFL premiership player, works for the business.

Aaron and his cousin, Collingwood player Dane Swan, were involved in the bashing of a security guard in Federation Square in 2003.


> http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/12/02/1070351579795.html?from=storyrhs
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> December 2003
> Australian Infrastructure Fund is set to buy an extra 3.5 per cent of the company behind Melbourne Airport for $50 million.
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> The infrastructure investor yesterday announced a deal to buy a further 3.5 per cent of Australian Pacific Airports Corporation, the holding company of Melbourne and Launceston airports.
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> However, the agreement hinges on whether one of APAC's other shareholders, Deutsche Asset Management, exercises a pre-emptive right and buys more of APAC by December 11.
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> If this occurs, AIF will acquire only 2.8 per cent of APAC for $40 million. If Deutsche does not act, AIF will get the 3.5 per cent stake, lifting its 5 per cent share in APAC to 8.5 per cent.
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> This would give AIF and its sister fund, Utilities Trust of Australia, 13.5 per cent of APAC.
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> UTA, established in 1994, was the first trust set up by Hastings Funds Management, which also manages AIF. UTA bought a 5 per cent stake in APAC in 1997 when Melbourne Airport was privatised.
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> http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2013/10/11/industries/mike-fitzpatricks-grape-escape
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> October 2013
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> But the focus of Fitzpatrick s cellar is far closer to home, taking in Henschke Hill of Grace and quite a few Granges , the vintages of which correlate with milestones such as childrens birth dates and the founding of Hastings Funds Management.
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This is all good stuff cozza - but I dont see why Little and Fitzy couldnt have done all this (VIP jet base) without the bombers moving from windy hill? Or is it the same plot of land? How does the playing facility help Little (and Fitzys) busines interests exactly?

I am also perplexed by the puff piece in the business spectator about Fitzy liking wine and having a winery in the yarra valley. Relevance? Clearly Fitzy has made a lot of money and no doubt used his footy and political connections in probably unscrupulous ways to do this - but surely this a known known?
 
sonnywalters said:
This is all good stuff cozza - but I dont see why Little and Fitzy couldnt have done all this (VIP jet base) without the bombers moving from windy hill? Or is it the same plot of land? How does the playing facility help Little (and Fitzys) busines interests exactly?

I am also perplexed by the puff piece in the business spectator about Fitzy liking wine and having a winery in the yarra valley. Relevance?
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The key word I wanted you to find was Hastings Funds Management. The bolded words are a 'join the dots' to show some possible connection between Fitzpatrick owning part of the company who manage Melbourne Airport, and the fact that Ess are now based there.
 
DesertRoo said:
Cozza hurry up.
After years of video games, TV and the internet. I don't have the attention span to keep going with this.
Can you make your point or at least speed up.
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Dodgy property deals involving key figures in this mess, potential betting irregularities and potential Head Office involvement in Essendon’s Training base shift not good enough?
 
CozzaD said:
Only possible ”agenda” is that the mainstream AFL writers aren’t doing this forensic-level investigating, and I’d rather the common man know it.
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Would be nice if any forensic level investigating was proven. All I have seen so far is publicly available articles with the faintest hints. Nothing any self respecting journalist would go near with a barge pole at this stage.

In order to join the dots you are going to need FOI documents, interviews with associates and/or whistleblowers.

So far the level of forensic investigation has been on par with that seen on Ancient Aliens.
 
FuManchu said:
I started a thread similar to this that was incorporated into this thread.

It's all good to have the discussion, but don't throw out obscure references to land deals in Geelong and God knows what else and tell us to think beyond the square. Not to mention slabs of newspaper articles that don't discuss how Evans may have instigated this program but just points to a big boys club that we all assumed existed anyway.

Make your point, make definitive links, make your insinuations, but don't just dangle a carrot, tell us to do the chasing and come to the conclusions he wants.

He seemingly has an agenda and its seemingly to deflect away from the drugs program and unless he can say exactly what he means, it's just a hotch potch of some agenda many couldn't care less about.
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Oh I think his agenda is clear. Initially I thought it just just attention seeking, but 'get your head out of that space'.....

It's the new way of political media.

Get on board a few weeks before the election.

Make conspiracy accusations about one particular side.

Wash-rinse-repeat, over and over and over. <-- This is the 'Caro' method of saying something for so damn long that people think it's the truth. North people recognise this one after the second half of 2007.

Conspiracy theory planted, doubts raised in mind, election appears, voting pencils start scribbling.

I've no doubt this is occurring in popular social forums all over the place, not just in the footy. Let me guess, cricket, netball, soccer would all be getting one of these somewhere in their most popular current boards. Band board, pub boards, anything hinting at popular where young (voting) minds could be swayed.

Or am I wrong??...... maybe someone could look into it? (Just not me of course - I'm the one making the accusation :p)
 
Honestly, why are you here?

If your accusations are as serious as you make them out to be why not take them to a wider audience or more to the point somewhere that doesn't provide the cloak of anonymity that this forum does.

Seems to me you have a very specific agenda but don't want to reveal your identity lest that agenda be exposed.

Can't wait for your next bombshell of vaguely connected newspaper articles asking us to connect dots that may or may not even exist
 
FootyGeek said:
Would be nice if any forensic level investigating was proven. All I have seen so far is publicly available articles with the faintest hints. Nothing any self respecting journalist would go near with a barge pole at this stage.

In order to join the dots you are going to need FOI documents, interviews with associates and/or whistleblowers.

So far the level of forensic investigation has been on par with that seen on Ancient Aliens.
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If I go FOI’s, interview requests and the like, as you said, then I ‘out myself’, as my name in on public record. I don’t have the legal backing nor defamation insurance to take that risk.

If we pressure commercial journos’ into doing it though, who DO have that type of cover, then it’s another matter altogether.
 

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CozzaD said:
If I go FOI’s, interview requests and the like, as you said, then I ‘out myself’, as my name in on public record. I don’t have the legal backing nor defamation insurance to take that risk.

If we pressure commercial journos’ into doing it though, who DO have that type of cover, then it’s another matter altogether.
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There is no defamation risk is you lodge an FOI.

No one could prove the link between your posts here and an FOI request.
 
Mattrox said:
There is no defamation risk is you lodge an FOI.

No one could prove the link between your posts here and an FOI request.
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There's also no defamation risk if you're telling the truth

Much easier to throw out vague accusations on an anonymous Internet forum
 
CozzaD said:
The key word I wanted you to find was Hastings Funds Management. The bolded words are a 'join the dots' to show some possible connection between Fitzpatrick owning part of the company who manage Melbourne Airport, and the fact that Ess are now based there.
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Ok but how does essendon training there help Hastings? Was govt money siphoned through to hastings via essendon?
 

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Anyone who claims that if it was only about drugs it would have all been over by now has never heard of Lance Armstrong.
 
FuManchu said:
Imagine if someone drew the 'family tree of graft' he is intimating. It would end up like a spirograpgh drawing
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:) I loved my spirograph when I was younger!

There is a company who wants to do fracking in the south east of SA and guess what, they have donated to BOTH political parties. Money changes hands all over the place regardless of political affiliation. It's more to do with who is currently in power or soon to be.
 
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