Martin Hardie: I write the forms... I think Evans ran the program

[lones37]

Very interesting stuff. However the parts about politics and elections are all wrong.

This poster is the work of Albert, so I'm assuming its Hanke again.

Know this Cozzad, the end game won't happen until the players are dealt with for taking PEDs.

If Albert has an axe to grind, he can do so later.

ATM he is embarrassing himself, he needs to resign and then attack whoever he feels has knifed him.

The facts are players are going to be suspended and Albert is in some way responsible.

Nothing, including this nonsense, changes that.

 

[Go_Blues!]

But they didn't invest.

Where is the win for running a secret trial if they failed to invest in the company?

Well, is it not possible that Dank was running his own little scheme. Run a trial using AOD but on the side and off his own bat, inject TB4 as well? He knew that TB4 would get the players the outcome he was after and mislead the potential investors into thinking that AOD was delivering the outcome. Essendon found invoices that indicated that Dank was misleading everyone and so fired Dank and because the trial had been tainted, there was no evidence to suggest that anyone should invest in the company providing AOD. Of course, there are many holes in my speculation, such as why would Dank seek to taint the trial, unless of course he was on the take from the drug company, but it may be one possibility?

 

[Argy]

Im still not sure that cozzad has actually made one single point.

So far he has just referenced lots of partially linked things and turned it into a mass ALP conspiracy (right on election eve).

Sounds suss at this stage.

So far cozzad is insinuating:

1. Evans and Kelty are the ring-leaders of the pharmaceutical experiment (financial incentives)
2. When they got wind of the ACC investigation they executed a high level cover-up (they had close connections to Gillard)
3. It was decided by those higher up that if a scapegoat was needed it would be Lord James Albert.


If that is indeed what you are selling cozzad - noone buys it.

I really hope you have something better than this.

Thanks for that summary. I was hoping someone would precis his work so I didn't have to wade through it.

 

[Argy]

AOD 9064 research pre-2011, I have not done. The 'mechanics' of its formation, registration and licencing I have not researched to date.

Again, the drugs is not the end game, move your head out of that sphere.

This forum IS about drugs. I think you're in the wrong place.

 

[RegHickeyStand]

Well, is it not possible that Dank was running his own little scheme. Run a trial using AOD but on the side and off his own bat, inject TB4 as well? He knew that TB4 would get the players the outcome he was after and mislead the potential investors into thinking that AOD was delivering the outcome. Essendon found invoices that indicated that Dank was misleading everyone and so fired Dank and because the trial had been tainted, there was no evidence to suggest that anyone should invest in the company providing AOD. Of course, there are many holes in my speculation, such as why would Dank seek to taint the trial, unless of course he was on the take from the drug company, but it may be one possibility?

Interesting.

My memory is that Dank was on the nose because his sports science experiment had failed in the field and the team's injury list had become the biggest problem. I believe they paid Dank that large invoice (50K+, but will stand corrected). It's Essendon that need to answer questions. Since there is scarce invoices discussed except that one and bugger all papertrail, did Hird and the rest of the football department think they were getting the program for free? Or maybe it was paid on a credit card.

 

[RegHickeyStand]

This forum IS about drugs. I think you're in the wrong place.

CozzaD is proving you if you don't want to focus on drugs at Essendon, there is no need to involve Hird.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Well, is it not possible that Dank was running his own little scheme. Run a trial using AOD but on the side and off his own bat, inject TB4 as well? He knew that TB4 would get the players the outcome he was after and mislead the potential investors into thinking that AOD was delivering the outcome. Essendon found invoices that indicated that Dank was misleading everyone and so fired Dank and because the trial had been tainted, there was no evidence to suggest that anyone should invest in the company providing AOD. Of course, there are many holes in my speculation, such as why would Dank seek to taint the trial, unless of course he was on the take from the drug company, but it may be one possibility?

its too complex - this means a pharma company that Evans & co didn't invest in, had EFC via Dank running an illegal drug trial, which Dank tanked because he was on the take from another drug company

much more likely situation was any "trial" was Danks own (with whatever degree of EFC direct knowledge)

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Let's stop talking about Dank and Essendon like they were separate entities with separate goals.

Dank was a club endorsed employee of the EFC, encouraged and empowered by an incompetent senior management team who fell in love with the "get big quick" scheme that Dank sold them.

 

[gutsroy]

Since all these explosive revelations are coming to light, here's a copy of the consent forms!

http://i.imgur.com/CwK7cQn.png

Worth the price of admission alone

 

[FuManchu]

This forum IS about drugs. I think you're in the wrong place.

Yep. This bloke has an agenda to deflect from the drugs issue. If he has evidence of corruption or whatever it is he is trying to suggest, take it to the media.

 

[threesixpio]

This forum IS about drugs. I think you're in the wrong place.

Yep - I'm happy you made that obvious point which went through mind each time he posted it

 

[Grin]

Not so, ASADA has routinely been down to Geelong since 2007 to have a look:

I think it was the 2006 preseason that they really bulked up and were a but the leg speed suffered a bit.
In 2007 they didn't need to continue their program of muscle gain, but certainly benefited from the bigger bodies over the following years.

 

[FuManchu]

Yep - I'm happy you made that obvious point which went through mind each time he posted it

It was interesting reading. But I got sick of being told to do my own research. If you got something to say, say it..... don't play around at the edges and get others to make your insinuations for you.

 

[morgoth]

I really think we were a trial run for a later attempt to throw mud via the msm.

Finding out what worked, what did not. End of the day he actually just threw mud and left us to make assumptions re it's impact.

Classic pr tactic and smells like hanke and I am not talking about the Xmas poo.

 

[Argy]

It was interesting reading. But I got sick of being told to do my own research. If you got something to say, say it..... don't play around at the edges and get others to make your insinuations for you.

He's like a tele-psychic. Throwing around ideas until some small snippet lodges in someone's mind and they make a connection that confirms their bias. No real substance, just loose innuendo.

If he has a point to make I'd be willing to listen, but for God's sake, make it concise! And relevant to drugs or take it to a different forum.

 

[Gigantor]

I suspect someone is:

1. Using us to pick holes in the 'story' and clean it up

2. Alerting interested parties (media etc) that something is cooking for what reason remains to be seen.

Wait ans see but there is no way Cozza is making this up (so to speak), their is an angle here. Could it be Barkley St End?

BSE rears his ugly head again

 

[FuManchu]

BSE rears his ugly head again

Is it really ugly?

 

[QuietB]

Yep. This bloke has an agenda to deflect from the drugs issue. If he has evidence of corruption or whatever it is he is trying to suggest, take it to the media.

There is no evidence except the links he is providing which is from the media. All he is doing is playing dot to dot based on known connections. Connections is how the corporate world goes around.

 

[Sector 7G]

Interesting.

My memory is that Dank was on the nose because his sports science experiment had failed in the field and the team's injury list had become the biggest problem. I believe they paid Dank that large invoice (50K+, but will stand corrected). It's Essendon that need to answer questions. Since there is scarce invoices discussed except that one and bugger all papertrail, did Hird and the rest of the football department think they were getting the program for free? Or maybe it was paid on a credit card.

Bill Shock. If you don't manage costs properly, ie starting budget, monthly cost reporting, limits of authority to expend etc. the cost will always blow out and the sum will be far greater than you expect. Given the lack of governance at EFC this is a simpler and more likely scenario than Dank was skimming and defrauding the club.

 

[Gigantor]

Is it really ugly?

I imagine the majority of posters on this board to be quite ugly.

 

[FuManchu]

O

I imagine the majority of posters on this board to be quite ugly.

Only in personality

 

[van peebles]

Is it really ugly?

His dads tied a chop around his neck so the dog would play with him.

 

[Percel]

I imagine the majority of posters on this board to be quite ugly.

No doubt there are more fogdogs that wallow amongst us

 

[PrideOf]

... and Chapter 437 in the saga: "James Hird: if I go down, you all go down" continues.

 

[Gigantor]

In fairness to Cozza, it was FuManchu who started an article with the sub-title: ....I think Evans ran the program.

A lot of what Cozza is implying (not always directly, it has to be said) touches on that very sub-title.

I agree with many posters that his story should be a bit more coherent and to the point, there appears to be a bit too much irrelevant filler in there.

But there can be no denying that the bit about Evans is definitely relevant to this thread.