News "Masten 'belted' in wild night"

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This thread is crazy.

Can't believe some of the reactions in it.

What happened to reserving judgement till or unless you actually know the truth?

It's bigfooty remember.

 

[tesseract]

Everyone knows you are judged on your past, should we not have sacked cuz as he was doing nothing wrong in his final "incident" ? If you honestly believe he did nothing wrong and that some guy came up and hit him for no reason then so be it.

How is it that naita is never involved in any incidents? He is by far the most recognised young sportsman in WA and gets swamped by people when he is out, yet you never see him being involved in multiple fights.

So you're saying that if he was involved in a transgression back when, he must be involved with this one too, yeah? That's still assuming the worst of someone, with no proof or evidence to back that assumption up.

You must be a cynical person to believe that once a someone is a something, always a something.

Comparisons to Cousins is silly. It's not even close to being similar circumstances. A one size fits all incident isn't a comparison or precedent.

I don't know what to believe about the incident. I'm not the one making assumptions and filling in the blanks with guesses based on irrelevant history.

What has Naita to do with this? Nothing! No details means no clear explanation. If you want to believe that Masten is a w***er, without any proof of it being so, be my guest. Just don't expect clear thinking people to agree and take your POV seriously.

 

[tesseract]

Im not letting there opinions guide me, more there accounts of what they have seen him do. Coupled with media reports that he has been in 3 fights since being drafted. I understand what you are saying but IMO a repeat offender doesnt get the benefit of a presumption of innocence.

You're assuming that Masten was in a fight in this latest incident. The article says he was belted, meaning assaulted. There's no mention of a fight. A fight needs at least 2 participants. Masten was not said to be involved in fighting. So how is it said, and believed, that Masten shares in any wrong doing?

Each incident should be evaluated individually. Saying Masten was involved in previous incidents, so he must be a guilty party in this instance, is a serious error in judgment. Without any further details contrary to that of the article, Masten should be given the benefit of the doubt.

 

[ziad]

Bodzoka agreed mate,

But this kid has been attacked because of his identity, he hasn't been charged as he has been the victim in each attack. Guilty of having pride only.

He wasn't caught;

:diamond: in police surveilance
:club: runnning from police
high speed pursuit
:spade: forging doctor certificates
:diamond: assaulting teens
:club: accomplice to a nightclub attempted homicide
assaulting a taxi driver
:spade: breaking a team mates arm
:diamond: with illicit drugs
:club: smashing his car pissed as a sailor
hanging with infamous identities
:spade: etc etc etc etc etc etc

The spotlight is to late and on a good kid

Why bring johnson, farmer and coy into this

 

[r dub 19]

So you're saying that if he was involved in a transgression back when, he must be involved with this one too, yeah? That's still assuming the worst of someone, with no proof or evidence to back that assumption up.

You must be a cynical person to believe that once a someone is a something, always a something.

Comparisons to Cousins is silly. It's not even close to being similar circumstances. A one size fits all incident isn't a comparison or precedent.

I don't know what to believe about the incident. I'm not the one making assumptions and filling in the blanks with guesses based on irrelevant history.

What has Naita to do with this? Nothing! No details means no clear explanation. If you want to believe that Masten is a w***er, without any proof of it being so, be my guest. Just don't expect clear thinking people to agree and take your POV seriously.

Mate, most people on this board that have actually met or seen masten know he is a w***er and I'd suggest being involved in 3 fights isn't just a coincidence or plain luck. Keep on thinking he is an angel doesn't bother me. Can you remind me of a young player on our list that has been involved in 3 seperate fights?

 

[tesseract]

Mate, most people on this board that have actually met or seen masten know he is a w***er and I'd suggest being involved in 3 fights isn't just a coincidence or plain luck. Keep on thinking he is an angel doesn't bother me. Can you remind me of a young player on our list that has been involved in 3 seperate fights?

Mick Gladwell has pointed out the specifics of Masten's 3 incidents already. It's you who's missing the point.
Secondly, as I've stated previously, there's nothing to suggest that Masten was involved in a fight in this recent occurrence. Is your ability to read and comprehend deficient? Firstly you've mistaken what the article has actually said, then you've mistaken what I've posted.

You mustn't have been taking any notice of my posts if you believe that I think Masten's an angel. I've reserved judgment. Unlike you who wants to believe what you want, without knowing what's true and what isn't.

 

[Sman-21]

If u wanna know what Mastens like get your butt into some nightclubs during the offseason.

He isnt getting in fights coz hes a footballer, its his attitude/personality.
Even if he wasnt a footballer, act like he does an every now an then someones gonna knock u back down to earth.

As for the people saying if he was performing on field, it wouldnt be as much of a problem but until he performs on field he needs to pull his head in.
Thats exactly the attitude that got cousins in so much strife, he was performing on field so people ignored the whispers, and what he was getting up to.
Which just made him believe he was untouchable.

Now im not saying hes gonna go down that route just saying thats the wrong attitude that if someones playing great ignore the offfield stuff.

Back on Masten hes a young arrogant tosser who thinks hes king of perth.
Continue to carry on that way an he will be involved in problems
Just like any other arrogant tosser out there.

 

[r dub 19]

If u wanna know what Mastens like get your butt into some nightclubs during the offseason.

He isnt getting in fights coz hes a footballer, its his attitude/personality.
Even if he wasnt a footballer, act like he does an every now an then someones gonna knock u back down to earth.

As for the people saying if he was performing on field, it wouldnt be as much of a problem but until he performs on field he needs to pull his head in.
Thats exactly the attitude that got cousins in so much strife, he was performing on field so people ignored the whispers, and what he was getting up to.
Which just made him believe he was untouchable.

Now im not saying hes gonna go down that route just saying thats the wrong attitude that if someones playing great ignore the offfield stuff.

Back on Masten hes a young arrogant tosser who thinks hes king of perth.
Continue to carry on that way an he will be involved in problems
Just like any other arrogant tosser out there.

This.

 

[tesseract]

If u wanna know what Mastens like get your butt into some nightclubs during the offseason.

He isnt getting in fights coz hes a footballer, its his attitude/personality.
Even if he wasnt a footballer, act like he does an every now an then someones gonna knock u back down to earth.

As for the people saying if he was performing on field, it wouldnt be as much of a problem but until he performs on field he needs to pull his head in.
Thats exactly the attitude that got cousins in so much strife, he was performing on field so people ignored the whispers, and what he was getting up to.
Which just made him believe he was untouchable.

Now im not saying hes gonna go down that route just saying thats the wrong attitude that if someones playing great ignore the offfield stuff.

Back on Masten hes a young arrogant tosser who thinks hes king of perth.
Continue to carry on that way an he will be involved in problems
Just like any other arrogant tosser out there.

Can you back up your opinion that Masten is an arrogant w***er, or are you assuming like most else in this thread?

 

[arfadunger]

It can be justified as much as you like, but at the end of the day Masten has got himself into a position 3 times in just a few short years where someone has wanted to have a crack at him. In that time there are hundreds of other players on AFL clubs lists that haven't warranted that attention once.

This, in conjunction with the fact that his performances on the field (for a number 3 pick) have been seriously underwhelming means that he's leaving himself open for criticism. I have no doubt that if his performances on the field come close to what is expected from him then he will be cut a lot more slack.

 

[r dub 19]

Can you back up your opinion that Masten is an arrogant w***er, or are you assuming like most else in this thread?

What don't you get about posters seeing Masten at clubs and developing an opinion about him based on his actions?

 

[Al Quaeda]

What don't you get about posters seeing Masten at clubs and developing an opinion about him based on his actions?

Tess can be quite pig headed in her points of view, believe me. Even when presented with eye witness observations like in this thread.

I have no reason to disbelieve my son on this and his opinion fits conveniently with many, many others in this thread.

We're not making this up Tess, despite all of your best white knighting efforts.

 

[tesseract]

It can be justified as much as you like, but at the end of the day Masten has got himself into a position 3 times in just a few short years where someone has wanted to have a crack at him. In that time there are hundreds of other players on AFL clubs lists that haven't warranted that attention once.

This, in conjunction with the fact that his performances on the field (for a number 3 pick) have been seriously underwhelming means that he's leaving himself open for criticism. I have no doubt that if his performances on the field come close to what is expected from him then he will be cut a lot more slack.

The article didn't say Masten got himself involved with this latest incident? He was belted, that's all it said. You're just making it up as you deem necessary, to fit your version of reality.

 

[r dub 19]

The article didn't say Masten got himself involved with this latest incident? He was belted, that's all it said. You're just making it up as you deem necessary, to fit your version of reality.

It is unacceptable for a young player to find himself in 3 fights since he has been drafted, end of story.

 

[FGMPR]

It makes you wonder (well, me anyway) where the drive to get better will come from if he already thinks he's hotshit with his current piss-poor output.

 

[tesseract]

What don't you get about posters seeing Masten at clubs and developing an opinion about him based on his actions?

Apparently Bigburger or one of his friends is on the scene everytime Masten is involved in an incident. This coincidence is very unlikely to the point of being unbelievable.

There's more to seeing someone do something, to then making a correct assumption on what's going on.
Do those that apparently saw Masten know his thoughts, discern his intentions, or hear what's being said before, during and after these incidents, so as to understand the context of his actions? No they don't. So how do they really have a full grasp on what's really going on. They couldn't, so they fill in the details with assumptions.

 

[r dub 19]

Apparently Bigburger or one of his friends is on the scene everytime Masten is involved in an incident. This coincidence is very unlikely to the point of being unbelievable.

There's more to seeing someone do something, to then making a correct assumption on what's going on.
Do those that apparently saw Masten know his thoughts, discern his intentions, or hear what's being said before, during and after these incidents, so as to understand the context of his actions? No they don't. So how do they really have a full grasp on what's really going on. They couldn't, so they fill in the details with assumptions.

 

[tesseract]

Tess can be quite pig headed in her points of you, believe me. Even when presented with eye witness observations like in this thread.

I have no reason to disbelieve my son on this and his opinion fits conveniently with many, many others in this thread.

We're not making this up Tess, despite all of your best white knighting efforts.

Provide your in the know gory details then. I choose not to take your word for it. You have a credibility problem.

Your Ad hominem attack is wasted on me, for I see it for what it is. You're full of empty words because you have nothing intelligent to say. Get a life.

 

[TurleyBurley]

Provide your in the know gory details then. I choose not to take your word for it. You have a credibility problem.

Your Ad hominem attack is wasted on me, for I see it for what it is. You're full of empty words because you have nothing intelligent to say. Get a life.

Tess, fair call on the ad hom.

But re: Masten, don't you think that if it walks like a duck, it quacks like a duck then, 9/10 times....? Haven't you heard the chat around town about the guy? Doesn't it make sense of his crap play and failure to develop?

 

[tesseract]

Tess, fair call on the ad hom.

But re: Masten, don't you think that if it walks like a duck, it quacks like a duck then, 9/10 times....? Haven't you heard the chat around town about the guy? Doesn't it make sense of his crap play and failure to develop?

I choose to judge each incident on it's own merit. I think that is a balanced and fair position to take.

This latest incident doesn't measure up to the criticism. If this criticism is to be validated in this instance, the knockers are going to have to come up with something more than speculation, Chinese whispers and assumptions.

 

[Al Quaeda]

Provide your in the know gory details then. I choose not to take your word for it. You have a credibility problem.

Your Ad hominem attack is wasted on me, for I see it for what it is. You're full of empty words because you have nothing intelligent to say. Get a life.

I'll put my credibility against anyone on this site tess. And have a bloody good cry about the supposed ad hominen attack on your self.

I was making an astute observation, based on my own experience, about your intransigent attitude once you take a stand on an issue.

I choose to judge each incident on it's own merit. I think that is a balanced and fair position to take.

This latest incident doesn't measure up to the criticism. If this criticism is to be validated in this instance, the knockers are going to have to come up with something more than speculation, Chinese whispers and assumptions.

What speculation, assumptions and whispers??

All I have seen is peoples eye witness accounts of the attitude and demeanour displayed by Masten when out in public.

Yet you seem to think that these people who, are giving an honest opinion are all wrong, because they haven't conducted some in depth psychological assessment on what was going on in the guys mind.

What utter bullshit.

Plenty of people were making the same astute, and proven correct, assumptions and observations about Cousins back in his heyday.

And there were no end of idiots taking the exact same position as you in this instance, and simply refusing to believe that there was anything sinister afoot.

Well don't they look bloody stupid now!!

Just like you are going to end up on this issue.

The fact of the matter is that this kid has a bloody terrible attitude and thinks that he is king shit. And he isn't playing the football that will allow him to be overlooked.

If this incident is not the straw that breaks the camels back, then it is only a matter of time before it happens.

 

[tesseract]

I'll put my credibility against anyone on this site tess. And have a bloody good cry about the supposed ad hominen attack on your self.

I was making an astute observation, based on my own experience, about your intransigent attitude once you take a stand on an issue.



What speculation, assumptions and whispers??

All I have seen is peoples eye witness accounts of the attitude and demeanour displayed by Masten when out in public.

Yet you seem to think that these people who, are giving an honest opinion are all wrong, because they haven't conducted some in depth psychological assessment on what was going on in the guys mind.

What utter bullshit.

Plenty of people were making the same astute, and proven correct, assumptions and observations about Cousins back in his heyday.

And there were no end of idiots taking the exact same position as you in this instance, and simply refusing to believe that there was anything sinister afoot.

Well don't they look bloody stupid now!!

Just like you are going to end up on this issue.

The fact of the matter is that this kid has a bloody terrible attitude and thinks that he is king shit. And he isn't playing the football that will allow him to be overlooked.

If this incident is not the straw that breaks the camels back, then it is only a matter of time before it happens.

Self proclaimed astuteness is displaying the same arrogance that you claimed Masten to have. You're a hypocrite.
You post insults instead of posting reasonable responses to an opposing thought, hence your low credibility. Pointing out your Ad hominem attack is far from a cry. It's stating a fact.

I'm intransigent when dealing with opinions from bullshit artists.

Read the thread through, then you'll discover the assumptions and hearsay which evolved into fact.

How do you know they're honest accounts? Posters have been trying to tie in his other incidents so as to claim he's this and that. I've pointed out it's irrelevance in this case.

I've already stated that there's no one size fits all incident. Are you trying to categorize Masten as once a something, always a something, too. Others have tried this already. They're mistaken. Try a new line of reasoning.

The people who denied that Cousins was doing drugs were taking a definitive stance. That turned out to be wrong.
It isn't wrong to take a wait and see attitude though. I think that it's not jumping the gun. There's no shame in taking that position. It's wise to wait until there's more concrete information.

How can you say that "the fact of the matter is ....", when you don't have any proof to back-up your claim. This is another reason why you have no credibility.

 

[Al Quaeda]

Self proclaimed astuteness is displaying the same arrogance that you claimed Masten to have. You're a hypocrite.
You post insults instead of posting reasonable responses to an opposing thought, hence your low credibility. Pointing out your Ad hominem attack is far from a cry. It's stating a fact.

I'm intransigent when dealing with opinions from bullshit artists.

Read the thread through, then you'll discover the assumptions and hearsay which evolved into fact.

How do you know they're honest accounts? Posters have been trying to tie in his other incidents so as to claim he's this and that. I've pointed out it's irrelevance in this case.

I've already stated that there's no one size fits all incident. Are you trying to categorize Masten as once a something, always a something, too. Others have tried this already. They're mistaken. Try a new line of reasoning.

The people who denied that Cousins was doing drugs were taking a definitive stance. That turned out to be wrong.
It isn't wrong to take a wait and see attitude though. I think that it's not jumping the gun. There's no shame in taking that position. It's wise to wait until there's more concrete information.

How can you say that "the fact of the matter is ....", when you don't have any proof to back-up your claim. This is another reason why you have no credibility.

I really couldn't be arsed getting into a pointless, long winded, multi-quote bullshit argument with an unshakeable idiot on an oppostion board about a player who I rate as a crab. I could get more satisfaction from headbutting a titanium ingot.

But just on the bolded bit.

Are you seriously saying that WCE posters who have voiced eye witness observations about Mastens poor behaviour in this thread are bullshitting??

It doesn't matter a crap about what I have said, but are you honestly calling out your own as bullshit artists??

What have they possibly got to gain??



** Not that anyone gives a shit, but Tess is a fundamental Christian and I am an atheist....and we have a bit of history on the SR+P board.


I'l leave you lot to it. Good luck.

 

[SwiftforPM]

Self proclaimed astuteness is displaying the same arrogance that you claimed Masten to have. You're a hypocrite.
You post insults instead of posting reasonable responses to an opposing thought, hence your low credibility. Pointing out your Ad hominem attack is far from a cry. It's stating a fact.

I'm intransigent when dealing with opinions from bullshit artists.

Read the thread through, then you'll discover the assumptions and hearsay which evolved into fact.

How do you know they're honest accounts? Posters have been trying to tie in his other incidents so as to claim he's this and that. I've pointed out it's irrelevance in this case.

I've already stated that there's no one size fits all incident. Are you trying to categorize Masten as once a something, always a something, too. Others have tried this already. They're mistaken. Try a new line of reasoning.

The people who denied that Cousins was doing drugs were taking a definitive stance. That turned out to be wrong.
It isn't wrong to take a wait and see attitude though. I think that it's not jumping the gun. There's no shame in taking that position. It's wise to wait until there's more concrete information.

How can you say that "the fact of the matter is ....", when you don't have any proof to back-up your claim. This is another reason why you have no credibility.

That's not what Churchill thought after WWII.
The club should have taken stronger action in the past and should do now. Is it true you are a woman Tesseract? This question is no way meant to offend.
Because men and women can sometimes have very different OP's on how to deal with certain issues.

 

[tesseract]

I really couldn't be arsed getting into a pointless, long winded, multi-quote bullshit argument with an unshakeable idiot on an oppostion board about a player who I rate as a crab. I could get more satisfaction from headbutting a titanium ingot.

But just on the bolded bit.

Are you seriously saying that WCE posters who have voiced eye witness observations about Mastens poor behaviour in this thread are bullshitting??

It doesn't matter a crap about what I have said, but are you honestly calling out your own as bullshit artists??

What have they possibly got to gain??



** Not that anyone gives a shit, but Tess is a fundamental Christian and I am an atheist....and we have a bit of history on the SR+P board.


I'l leave you lot to it. Good luck.

Too late for you considering your long winded diatribe.

Unshakable, that's me. I'm yet to be convinced, hence not changing my position.

Your Ad hominem outburst showed everyone who the real idiot is.

I'm not saying they're bull shitting, I'm just skeptical, especially given the remarks made by the same posters after expressing their supposed account.

I call a bullshitter a bullshitter. They can wear all different colours.