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Heard yesterday that its c/cup time was the 3rd fastest on record???

is this true??? if so would have to make it very hard to beat in the cup......

does anybody know if this is true cause the pace wasn't really on in the cup either....
 
rhino49 said:
Heard yesterday that its c/cup time was the 3rd fastest on record???

is this true??? if so would have to make it very hard to beat in the cup......

does anybody know if this is true cause the pace wasn't really on in the cup either....
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Zipping is clearly a better horse, have you seen Zipping zip around the bend from last and run places and 8ths? Superstar horse. Master O will kill Zipping. Who wants to make a deal with me, if Zipping beats home Master O I will never post on this forum again. If the opposite occurs you can't mention the donkey (Zipping)'s name for a year.
 
Yes I heard that on Caulfield Cup day so i went and took EL Segundo / Master O'reilly in a Cox / Melb Cup double plus put the house on MO straight out.

Outstanding run in Caulfield Cup and if everything goes well should be right in the finish. I can't see him beaten but it is a Cup and things can go wrong.
 
haywood jablome said:
Zipping is clearly a better horse, have you seen Zipping zip around the bend from last and run places and 8ths? Superstar horse. Master O will kill Zipping. Who wants to make a deal with me, if Zipping beats home Master O I will never post on this forum again. If the opposite occurs you can't mention the donkey (Zipping)'s name for a year.
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think you may have confused with somebody else? where have i ever mentioned zipping???? i am just asking about master o., not too sure where this rant about zipping is coming from...
 

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rhino49 said:
think you may have confused with somebody else? where have i ever mentioned zipping???? i am just asking about master o., not too sure where this rant about zipping is coming from...
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Haha, go search for posts by "starz". Anyway IMO Master O is the one to beat, he has the pedigree and class as well as the ability to sit in the front half of a pack and run on. He also has improvement to come from his CC win. He creates his own "luck" and has the form good enough to win the Melbourne Cup. IMO the wet track won't hurt him to much either.
 
haywood jablome said:
Haha, go search for posts by "starz". Anyway IMO Master O is the one to beat, he has the pedigree and class as well as the ability to sit in the front half of a pack and run on. He also has improvement to come from his CC win. He creates his own "luck" and has the form good enough to win the Melbourne Cup. IMO the wet track won't hurt him to much either.
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yer i am familiar with starz love affair with zipping, just sounded like you where asking me never to post again, i think master o. is a 10x better horse then zipping, but you never know in the melb cup, and i actually give zipping a chance but dont want it to win just to annoy starz....
 
i searched for the time in the paper next day, didn't strike me as anything special. diatribe fastest then might and power then tulloch from memory. not sure if he went under 2:28:0 from memory. anyone remember the time?
 
If the CC is the best form guide for the MC and Eskimo Queen was second fave for the Caulfied Cup before she was scratched then surely there has to be merit in putting a few dollars on the Queen to win the MC
 
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If the CC is the best form guide for the MC and Eskimo Queen was second fave for the Caulfied Cup before she was scratched then surely there has to be merit in putting a few dollars on the Queen to win the MC
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Hmm, bit of a worry considering she didn't get the CC as a workout to keep her fit. Bit of a gamble to take her in the MC. I would rather go with proven recent form like Master O and Sculptor. I don't think the wet track will suit Purple Moon at all.
 
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If the CC is the best form guide for the MC and Eskimo Queen was second fave for the Caulfied Cup before she was scratched then surely there has to be merit in putting a few dollars on the Queen to win the MC
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I am the same. I thought she was gonna win that race so I'm gonna stick with her in the Cup. Run in the Cox Plate was pretty promising I thought.
 
This is where ill be investing my hard earned. Liked its preparation and the fact that despite winning the caulfield the trainer has been saying all along the melb cup is the one theyve been setting it for. Unlike alot of the runners hasnt run in a few weeks, so will be fresh and ready to go. Will get the distance, can see it sitting about 4 back and 2 wide and just grinding them down from the 500 and winning by a few lengths. Zipping will get to far back, will rocket home but wont win, cant from that far back in a cup. At least you know with the master you will get a good crack for your money, just hope it doesnt get held up, and should go well.

Thoughts? where do you see it racing/what pattern? How will a wet track suit if it rains. Thinking about having a decent whack after a good day yesterday (got the quad and had a fair go at divine aswell). Just wish i got on the master at 13's a few months back when my brother was tell anyone who would listen!
 
Ron said:
Poseidon
The Trump
Rivette
Rising Fast
Even Stevens
Galilee
Gurner's Lane
Let's Elope
Doriemus
Might And Power
Ethereal

Master O'Reilly? :confused:
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are these horses that have ran faster times Ron? or are you just guessing?

i dont know about that 3rd fastest time thing just heard it, found it hard to believe though.
 

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Couldn't find a list of Caulfield Cup times however did come across this quote from Danny O'Brien;

The extra weight penalty came as no surprise to trainer Danny O'Brien.

"I think it's reasonable," O'Brien said last night.

"He's going to carry three kilos more which is probably on the high side of what cup winners get, but he won the third fastest Caulfield Cup of all time by more two lengths. It was a very strong win."

For the record the fastest was Diatribe 2:25.32.
Second fastest was Mummify 2:25.98.

Master O'Reilly's time was 2:26.15

I wasn't sure if this was 3rd fastest as Might and Power's run in the Caulfield Cup is one of the most dominant wins I've ever seen so i looked up his time as well.
Might and Power's time was 2:26.2.
 
Track conditions have a lot to do with times. While I'm not going to take anything away from his win, Master O'Reilly won the Caulfied Cup on a very hard track which would have helped him post a quick time.

Having said that, I think he is a special tomorrow.:thumbsu:
 
A good read....

http://www.theage.com.au/news/horse-racing/masters-destiny-unflashy-favourite-chases-cup-double/2007/11/04/1194117878814.html

Master's destiny: unflashy favourite chases cup double
Chris Johnston
November 5, 2007

HE'S not big, the Master. Nor is he flashy. But he's fast in a sneaky way and he's sure of himself. He struts around the mounting yard when he has done well. "He knows he's good," owner Bill Sutcliffe said. "And he knows when he's won."

Master O'Reilly is favourite in tomorrow's Melbourne Cup. If equine influenza never happened and the northern horses and perhaps a few more overseas horses were here, he'd still probably be best bet on his home track.

Master O'Reilly is a five-year-old plain bay gelding with big ears, two white socks on his hind legs and a lovely white star right between his eyes. If he races right — like he did to emphatically win the Caulfield Cup three weekends ago — you'll spot him. He'll be the one hanging back, relaxed and easy, stalling, until the crunch. Then he'll let rip. If he does, it will be the firstCups double since Ethereal in 2001.

He wasn't always such a good thing. The Master never raced until he was almost four; his first run was in Moe in 2005. He was, for much of his young life, inactive and untrained. As an infant horse he was sickly. He was seriously off his food; it was touch and go there for a while.

This was in the South Island of New Zealand, on the Canterbury Plains at Rakaia. He was born beside a wide river in the cold shadow of the Southern Alps. His father was O'Reilly, a champion; his mother was an unraced half-sister of Australian Oaks winner Unpretentious and daughter of big French racer Bakharoff.

So he had the blood, but he wouldn't eat. His first owners, small-time Kiwi stud owners David and Pat Jones, didn't know what to do. They tried different remedies. Eventually one of the things that got him going again was yoghurt.

Around Rakaia it's trotting country; dairy cows and trotting. But they grew fond of their little fellow and thought he might make a reasonable short-distance racehorse even though his mother, Without Remorse, didn't have the head for it. "He was always a good-mannered wee thing," David Jones said. "He was never real big but he was always correct, always balanced. He's got a good bloodline when you look at it but not for long-distance races like the Melbourne Cup."

Rakaia is near Timaru, where Phar Lap was born. Plenty of NZ-born racehorses win the Melbourne Cup, but precious few come from the south. "Phar Lap was just down the road," Jones said. "We get a good one every now and again."

Still, the day came when the Joneses had to sell the Master to pay the bills. He fetched $75,000 as a two-year-old, bought by Melbourne businessman Bill Sutcliffe, who owns a handful of other racehorses.

Sutcliffe has quietly watched Master O'Reilly quicken and mature. "He's beautifully natured," he said, "but as a two-year-old he would have a nip if you let your guard down. It wasn't that he was being vindictive, he just seemed to think it was funny." Sutcliffe owns two cardboard packaging businesses in Dandenong and lives on the Mornington Peninsula. The horse he looks at now, he said, was different. Not jittery or untapped, but one with a "magnificent confidence".

The horse's first trainer was Judy Mawer, at Cranbourne, who raced him first in Moe. Soon enough he won three in a row — at Sale, Mornington and Seymour. In Seymour he blew them away by six lengths.

Danny O'Brien was watching. He offered Bill Sutcliffe $500,000 for him on the spot. Sutcliffe refused, but offered the horse to O'Brien — an established young trainer — to train. He also honoured Mawer's part in the horse's upbringing by giving her a 10 per cent ownership. "How lucky am I?" she said.

O'Brien grew up around horses in Kyabram and Echuca; both his father and grandfather ran them. He did law and economics at Monash University then 10 years ago dropped everything to follow his dream. Bart Cummings was an early mentor.

He has about 150 horses on his books now. Two years ago Glamour Puss won two Flemington carnival feature sprints for him in a week and Valedictum won the Emirates Stakes. He has two in the Melbourne Cup this year — the Master and Douro Valley. They ran first and second in the Caulfield Cup.

"Master O'Reilly has natural gifts," he said. "The way he ran at Caulfield he deserves to be favourite. But they don't give you a prize for having a favourite."

Judy Mawer hoped all the punters backing him were right. "I knew he was fast but I didn't think he would come up this quick. He's a classic stayer — he waits, and then he goes."

That's his trademark — the wait, then the rip, the fifth gear. Jockey Vlad Duric, who rode him to win at Caulfield and will ride him tomorrow, reckons the horse is a sleeper that more or less switches off for two-thirds of a long run. "He puts himself where he wants to be," he said. "Then I give him a bit of wake-up at the 800-metre mark and he takes a few more strides and then he's away. He gobbles them up."

On the eve of perhaps something huge Duric said: "I've always dreamed of a horse like this."
 
I personally believe Master O'Reilly and Maldivian are the two best horses in the country right now ..... :)
 
Does that mean you think he will win or that he is the best but an International horse will win.

I think the Caufield Cup was really a bonus along the way and fingers crossed tomorrow he comes out and wins.

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I like him too

Only query I have is that the 2 favs got scratched at the barrier in the Caulfield Cup this year and the form has huge queries on it. For starters, Master O'Reilly would have settled 2 further horses back on the fence from the inside gate if both Maldivian and Eskimo Queen ran (who drew barriers 1 & 5 and would have raced handy) which would have made his task of winning nigh on impossible in that race as he would have been in the last 5 instead of midfield settling down.

Whilst MO is my pick but reckon he is a shocking price as IMO if he settled down where he should have in the CC without the scratchings he probably would have run home into 3rd or 4th and be about a 7/1 or 8/1 chance.

I would be gobsmacked if a local horse beat him though, maybe Zipping if he gets a soft cart into the race but I think it comes down to MO or one of the Europeans where I favour Purple Moon in front of Mahler. Princess Coup has really surprised me and reckon she's a good thing to run first 6 but she was level with MO on the turn in the CC and got left by the Master over the last 300.
 
__Ron_ said:
I personally believe Master O'Reilly and Maldivian are the two best horses in the country right now ..... :)
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El Segundo says hi.
 
Tassie Bulldog said:
I like him too

Only query I have is that the 2 favs got scratched at the barrier in the Caulfield Cup this year and the form has huge queries on it. For starters, Master O'Reilly would have settled 2 further horses back on the fence from the inside gate if both Maldivian and Eskimo Queen ran (who drew barriers 1 & 5 and would have raced handy) which would have made his task of winning nigh on impossible in that race as he would have been in the last 5 instead of midfield settling down.

Whilst MO is my pick but reckon he is a shocking price as IMO if he settled down where he should have in the CC without the scratchings he probably would have run home into 3rd or 4th and be about a 7/1 or 8/1 chance.

I would be gobsmacked if a local horse beat him though, maybe Zipping if he gets a soft cart into the race but I think it comes down to MO or one of the Europeans where I favour Purple Moon in front of Mahler. Princess Coup has really surprised me and reckon she's a good thing to run first 6 but she was level with MO on the turn in the CC and got left by the Master over the last 300.
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So where does that leave Eskimo Queen finishing in the MC in your opinion
 
Ron said:
Miss Andretti, El Segundo, Polar Bear >>>> Master O and some other thing that can't even stay in it's barrier without hurting itself.
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Depends on the distance.

Up to 1200, then Miss Andretti for sure.

1400-1600 - I'd say Sonic Quest - The Emirates will tell me if i'm right

2000 - Maldivian >>> El Segundo

2400 - Maldivian if he can run this trip, if not then MO

2600+ - MO

Do you disagree? :)
 

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