Matt Crouch is just a plodder.

[port_adelaide_1870]

What does Arthur Dunger do well as a poster?

Nice deflection,

What does crouch do well as a footballer?

Answer the question

 

[Drakescoffeecake]

Lol as I thought, deflecting once again. Pathetic that you can't think of anything else crouch is good at and then expect everyone here to believe what you're saying.

He isn't that good is he

How is it deflecting when you've been owned time and time again in this thread? We have killed you with stats throughout this entire thread. One ordinary game from Mcrouch doesn't change that.

 

[Arthur Dunger]

What does Arthur Dunger do well as a poster?

It appears that Arthur asks the question that is too tough to answer.

 

[port_adelaide_1870]

What does Arthur Dunger do well as a poster?

You know why you deflect, because you know crouchs only skills as a footballer is finding cheap disposal and handballs. Everything else he is average/below average at. He is a modern poor mans Kane cornes (minus the AA/ best and fairests, coz we know he won't win any of those)

 

[Arthur Dunger]

From here on we will call him Krouch.

 

[port_adelaide_1870]

How is it deflecting when you've been owned time and time again in this thread? We have killed you with stats throughout this entire thread. One ordinary game from Mcrouch doesn't change that.

Lol show me where you have owned us in any way, clearly you're delusional.. saying "he gets 27 disposal and darcy gets 17, lol he is better" isn't an argument. It's stupid. DBJ is a defender and crouch is a midfielder who is able to find cheap disposals obviously crouchs stats are gunna be higher. That doesn't mean he is superior you idiot.

What does he do well as a footballer?

 

[DanWA]

Not sure if you realise, but people tend to stay away from topics they know absolutely ******* nothing about, hence the lack of neutral supporters in here, and if there is one, they only post once or twice with their opinion. You, on the other hand, know absolutely ******* nothing about the Crows or Crouch, and I can guarantee know nothing about DBJ. Yet you continue to stick you head into these threads and post idiotic statements to try and make yourself feel better about your massive choke in the first round of finals.

Here is another difference, i can accept my team choking, you crows nuff nuffs are like school children when it is highlighted that your choke was monumental to give up #2 and a good chance at a grand final to actually have a decent season since 98'

What does Mcrouch do well as a footballer? Still waiting for your expert opinion on this

 

[Drakescoffeecake]

Lol show me where you have owned us in any way, clearly you're delusional.. saying "he gets 27 disposal and darcy gets 17, lol he is better" isn't an argument. It's stupid. DBJ is a defender and crouch is a midfielder who is able to find cheap disposals obviously crouchs stats are gunna be higher. That doesn't mean he is superior you idiot.

What does he do well as a footballer?

You're getting very melty diddums. Stop being lazy, go through the thread and find the answers which have been pointed out several times. We shouldn't need to repeat ourselves because you're deliberately being obtuse.

 

[port_adelaide_1870]

You're getting very melty diddums. Stop being lazy, go through the thread and find the answers which have been pointed out several times. We shouldn't need to repeat ourselves because you're deliberately being obtuse.

lol as expected another flog that can't think of anything else Krouch is good at, keep deflecting.

You should know people who constantly ignore, deflect, and troll are either
A) to stupid to come up with an argument
B) secretly know they're wrong and don't want to admit it/address it.

You're both

 

[Arthur Dunger]

You're getting very melty diddums. Stop being lazy, go through the thread and find the answers which have been pointed out several times. We shouldn't need to repeat ourselves because you're deliberately being obtuse.

I went thru your posts and could mostly find reference to 'make a poll' but nothing really about what Krouch's skill set is, for those like myself that have looked thru the thread and can't find what his elite qualities are please now enlighten us rather than deflecting with another "it's in the thread, look for yourself" cowardly comment.

 

[Drakescoffeecake]

lol as expected another flog that can't think of anything else Krouch is good at, keep deflecting.

You should know people who constantly ignore, deflect, and troll are either
A) to stupid to come up with an argument
B) secretly know they're wrong and don't want to admit it/address it.

You're both

The funny thing though is that's exactly what you're doing

 

[port_adelaide_1870]

The funny thing though is that's exactly what you're doing

What does krouch do well as a footballer, I genuinely want to know, I have gone through the 50 pages and can't find anything. So please, stop your coward "look in the thread they're there" and actually enlighten us.

 

[Maddogmetro]

I went thru your posts and could mostly find reference to 'make a poll' but nothing really about what Krouch's skill set is, for those like myself that have looked thru the thread and can't find what his elite qualities are please now enlighten us rather than deflecting with another "it's in the thread, look for yourself" cowardly comment.

Lol show me where you have owned us in any way, clearly you're delusional.. saying "he gets 27 disposal and darcy gets 17, lol he is better" isn't an argument. It's stupid. DBJ is a defender and crouch is a midfielder who is able to find cheap disposals obviously crouchs stats are gunna be higher. That doesn't mean he is superior you idiot.

What does he do well as a footballer?

Because you are both clearly intellectually challenged, read away:

B.O.G. Thursday night and kicked 2 goals. You guys are embarrassing yourselves......again.

Let's put this to bed once and for all:

View attachment 263089

What does this show?

Crouch's stats are superior in kicks, handballs and disposals per game (and by a considerable margin).

MC has 2 more tackles per game.

MC has more goal assists per game.

MC has more than DOUBLE (almost triple) contested possessions per game.

5 more effective disposals per game.

MC has almost 6 clearances per game to DBJ basically none.

All this, while have 11% LESS game time than DBJ.

There is not even an argument here. MC far superior in every way. There is no disputing these stats.

You are wrong you delusional flog.

Perhaps you don't realise, but stats are really good because they are INDISPUTABLE. They are OBJECTIVE. Not your stupid, 'Ohh well I just think he has the flair that stats don't show!'

Or perhaps you are going with, 'Oh he plays a different position, so stats just don't matter at all'.

You are a flog.

...

Just saw your edit.

Going for the 'different positions' argument I see.

Well doesn't that make every single one of your comments completely ******* useless?

You can't claim that the players are not comparable, and then compare them and come to the conclusion you reached. Do you not even see the complete idiocy in your comments?

Shouldnt you be showing stats comparing crouch to other midfielders and the other guys stats compared to his peers to prove your point instead of continuing to 'im right youre wrong nanananah not listening'?

Why do the entire crows 6 backman rank higher in intercept marks than DBJ?

His average would make him more around 60th in tackles not 90th. He is not getting easy uncontested possessions like domeone say on half back would. If you watched the games he is the first in and under getting the ball out of the congestion.. why take clearances out of it? 14th in the league at 21 tells me that quite above average.. you claim DE as a reason for DBJ but he has uncontested possession while crouch is being mauled for his DE..not being a key defender where would i find the opposing players goals per week against DBJ or is that just from ur 'unbiased' head?

He finds the ball easy for 12.3 contested possessions. DBJ 5.6 contested, im sure we can agree there would be more pressure on contested possessions. DBJ 80% DE 33% contested, Crouch 70% DE 48% contested. Im not sure where yo find stats on whether most our goals come from stoppages or turnovers, but with turnovers i wouldnt see as much score involvement from a crouch type player.

If DBJ Esquire III is "above average" for a half back flanker, care to show us any evidence? How does he compare to Rory Laird, Heath Shaw, Jasper Shittard, Sam Docherty, Brodie Smith, Shaun Burgoyne, Matt Suckling, Corey Enright?

He isn't a key defender. Look at goals kicked on any HBF it will be that low, or lower. Another useless stat from the resident delusional flog.

And are you now claiming that we need to ignore all of Crouch's stats? including those which are most often used to determine the worth of a midfielder? haha wtf

So, we ignore Crouch's stats that are better than DBJ, and then look at DBJ's (useless) stat that you think makes him good, and then ignore that Crouch's stats in those same areas are probably better. Nice one.

So Crouch with 32 racked up more than any of the puffer mids on Thursday, let alone Darcy. I mean we could compare Darcy to someone who plays the same position, like Rory Laird. If you want

You melting flog. You do realise that elite players don't have amazing numbers in every single stat in the book right?

Who cares how many marks he has, he's an inside mid.

He had 19 uncontested possessions. Which means he had 13 contested you imbecile.

Why would you expect a mid to get a lot of goal assists or goals?

You picked a few random stats that a mid is not supposed to have numbers in to try to discredit, but end up looking like the fool you are.

Give up you puffer flog.

DBJ only had 15 disposals and like, a couple rebound 50s. Not sure what p_a_1997 is getting at..

This was posted barely after the Geelong game ended. How about allowing for some time before we arrive?

And DBJ had a cool 14 possies against GWS, including one where he kicked to himself from a kick out (talk about cheap possies LOL) before driving it down big mummy's throat.

Well, when you put it like it that, I'm totally convinced that DBJ had a great impact on the game (unlike M Crouch who only managed a DE of 61% playing in perfect conditions in Geelong) despite only getting 14 disposals (including a kick out to himself to pad his stats) at 50% and getting 3 clangers.

Oh by the way, only 3 players (including 2 Powers) had a worse DE% than DBJ.

Round 19 update.

Matt Crouch 33 disposals at 75%
DBJ 13 disposals at 61%

Clearly DBJ takes this round because Crouch's were all cheap or something

DBJ 3 clangers from 13 disposals against witches hats. I didn't watch Port's game, but does anyone know if DBJ tried to get himself some cheap possessions again by kicking out to himself?

So why are you always bragging about how he's keeping his opponents to 0 goals or whatever? Who cares if that's not his role anyway?

And if his goal is to "find the ball", well he's not doing a very good job, is he? I mean, 13 disposals (including 3 clangers) is a pretty poor effort when it comes to "finding the ball".

Maybe he should get some lessons on "finding the ball" from Matt Crouch. You know, like how to "find the ball" without having to kick it to yourself from a kick out.



But you were bragging last week that he kept his opponent to 0 goals (despite not being a lock down defender).



Yeah real good run and carry with 13 disposals (including 3 clangers).



Just asking because I saw DBJ kick out to himself (before kicking it straight to Mumford) against GWS. I thought it was a laughable effort to get a cheap possession. I was just wondering if this was something he likes doing.

We don't need to address it. A third of Crouchs touches were contested in a game where we cruised to win by 82 points. His hands in close were great and he went at 75% efficiency, he played great. If you really think that spuds can average 27 disposals a game then why aren't yours? If it was so easy everyone would be doing it.
If you actually believe what you are saying about Crouch then wouldn't it apply to DBJ's 11 UP out of a possible 13? If you want to play the different position card then we can compare him to someone else that plays the same position, was drafted in the same year as well, say Rory Laird? But that might be a tad unfair.

3 clangers from 9 disposals at 44% for DBJ.

And this is your response to the last quote:

It's not his fault our team wouldn't present and work hard. Most of the time he got the ball he had nothing to kick it to. The opposition put pressure on the kick and caused turnovers. Again both your game and our game proved nothing about overall who was better. One player is always gunna play better in a team that wins by 138 points compared to a team that got smashed

HAHAHAHAHA...moving on

Haha so tonight we have BOG showdown medalist Matt Crouch vs the guy who got three goals kicked on him in 15 minutes in the first. Call this fight off it's embarrassing.

I can't believe this thread even still exists. And that week after week, you come in here running your mouth making absolutely no sense.

Sure, DBJ has been a good pickup, and shows some signs as a good rookie, if he can actually improve and play consistently. But as it stands, Crouch absolutely shits all over him. Week after week after week Crouch has better games, with better stats, and more influence on the game for a winning side.

And now, after getting the most disposals in a winning Showdown (33, which you neglect to say included 13 kicks, and for some reason think handballs are useless?), and having a game high 9 score involvements, you try to play the game down...all while failing to deal with DBJ's spud effort.

Just quit PA1997. Seriously. You have convincingly lost this argument. Move along.

And this has been your reasoning:

I don't think you did because you said "if neutrals think crouch is better then I am bias". Where one of my last lines were "just because more people know of crouch and less people know darcy and what he can do, doesn't make him the better player".

And to your point, we are both bias to our own player. Facts are that Darcy has had 1 goal kicked on him in the last 5 weeks, he gets a large amount of ball himself and uses it incredibly well. I think you are severely overrating crouch and his impact on games. He doesn't use the ball very well, he has had 2 goal assist for the year and is sitting 133rd in the league for scoring involvement despite the fact that he averages over 26 disposals per game. He has kicked 3 goals. He is sitting 240th in the league for inside 50s despite averaging 26 disposals per game. His clearance work is okay but nothing special sitting 21st in the league (ollie wines who is having a bad year apparently is 14th). He is 94th in the league for tackles so he doesn't apply much pressure defensively.

So yes he is an overrated standard midfielder, that is not as good as DBJ

Your 'stats' for DBJ consist of 'Gets a large amount of the ball', 'Uses it incredibly well'. Nice objective measure you have there.

This exchange shows alot aswell:

Crouch's 16 handballs 9 kicks, 4 scoring involvements, 0 goal assists, 3 tackles and 2 inside 50s are doing all the talking. Every week crouch proves once again he is just a standard average midfielder. Nothing special about him

And DBJ's performance this week?

Yeah he has had 2 average games. A person in his debut year is gunna have inconsistency. Crouch was dropped plenty of times in the past as well. It's what inexperienced players go through. But anyway in his two average games, he still nearly had more impact then spuds "good games". Bunch of useless disposals and no impact. Good at getting his disposal numbers up and does nothing else

Crouch having a good game at a time when DBJ spudding it up, and you mock Crouch while defending DBJ with 'Oh, well DBJ is allowed inconsistency!'

And this next quote just sums you up:

Not a bad point actually. It's a bit like some of those nutty conspiracy theorists. You don't agree with what they're trying to say, but it's entertaining none the less to see what they try come up with or how they spin something.

And finally, let's throw this piece of gold from you in there for good measure:

Butch>>>>>>> Fyfe >>>>>> Moore>>>>> Talia

Seriously, you need to let this go. You have lost this argument. If by some miracle DBJ turns out to be a great player, then that's great for you. But as it stands Crouch is so far superior it is not even funny. Put this thread to bed.

Apologies to all for the million quotes, but apparently these dhs need to have their hand held through the facts in this thread.

 

[Drakescoffeecake]

What does krouch do well as a footballer, I genuinely want to know, I have gone through the 50 pages

Bullshit

 

[Drakescoffeecake]

Because you are both clearly intellectually challenged, read away:










































And this is your response to the last quote:



HAHAHAHAHA...moving on






And this has been your reasoning:



Your 'stats' for DBJ consist of 'Gets a large amount of the ball', 'Uses it incredibly well'. Nice objective measure you have there.

This exchange shows alot aswell:







Crouch having a good game at a time when DBJ spudding it up, and you mock Crouch while defending DBJ with 'Oh, well DBJ is allowed inconsistency!'

And this next quote just sums you up:




And finally, let's throw this piece of gold from you in there for good measure:



Seriously, you need to let this go. You have lost this argument. If by some miracle DBJ turns out to be a great player, then that's great for you. But as it stands Crouch is so far superior it is not even funny. Put this thread to bed.

Apologies to all for the million quotes, but apparently these dhs need to have their hand held through the facts in this thread.

Quoted for pure ownage.

But of course, he couldn't find anything in 50 pages

 

[Drakescoffeecake]

Cat got your tongue, flogs?

 

[DanWA]

Still nothing besides the obvious that he gets lots of disposals

 

[port_adelaide_1870]

Because you are both clearly intellectually challenged, read away:










































And this is your response to the last quote:



HAHAHAHAHA...moving on






And this has been your reasoning:



Your 'stats' for DBJ consist of 'Gets a large amount of the ball', 'Uses it incredibly well'. Nice objective measure you have there.

This exchange shows alot aswell:







Crouch having a good game at a time when DBJ spudding it up, and you mock Crouch while defending DBJ with 'Oh, well DBJ is allowed inconsistency!'

And this next quote just sums you up:




And finally, let's throw this piece of gold from you in there for good measure:



Seriously, you need to let this go. You have lost this argument. If by some miracle DBJ turns out to be a great player, then that's great for you. But as it stands Crouch is so far superior it is not even funny. Put this thread to bed.

Apologies to all for the million quotes, but apparently these dhs need to have their hand held through the facts in this thread.

This literally doesn't tell us anything we already know? In fact you showing us all the stupid that has been posted on this thread.. basically everything to the question "what does crouch do well as a footballer" is not answer, stats are thrown in our faces (left out all the quotes debunking those stats I see, good job) despite us constantly saying crouch is a midfielder who has the ability to find easy disposals to say he has more disposals, clearances, contested possessions is the most idiotic argument in the thread (and it has been used constantly through this thread). Nothing in those quotes prove Crouch is a superior player, half of them are irrelevant to the conversation and all of them don't address the question that is being asked...

What does Krouch do well as a footballer?

 

[Maddogmetro]

This literally doesn't tell us anything we already know? In fact you showing us all the stupid that has been posted on this thread.. basically everything to the question "what does crouch do well as a footballer" is not answer, stats are thrown in our faces (left out all the quotes debunking those stats I see, good job) despite us constantly saying crouch is a midfielder who has the ability to find easy disposals to say he has more disposals, clearances, contested possessions is the most idiotic argument in the thread (and it has been used constantly through this thread). Nothing in those quotes prove Crouch is a superior player, half of them are irrelevant to the conversation and all of them don't address the question that is being asked...

What does Krouch do well as a footballer?

How the **** do you expect to explain in an objective way how a player is good, without using stats. Otherwise it is just opinionated puff bullshit, which is all you have provided for your spud (that, and excuse after excuse for his shit second half to the season).

You cannot 'debunk' stats. They are stats. They are objective. They are not open to manipulation. You are a certified idiot.

 

[FyfeToAdelaide]

This literally doesn't tell us anything we already know? In fact you showing us all the stupid that has been posted on this thread.. basically everything to the question "what does crouch do well as a footballer" is not answer, stats are thrown in our faces (left out all the quotes debunking those stats I see, good job) despite us constantly saying crouch is a midfielder who has the ability to find easy disposals to say he has more disposals, clearances, contested possessions is the most idiotic argument in the thread (and it has been used constantly through this thread). Nothing in those quotes prove Crouch is a superior player, half of them are irrelevant to the conversation and all of them don't address the question that is being asked...

What does Krouch do well as a footballer?

But you're an idiot and theres no use trying to get through that fkd up head of yours. You have not shown any reason why DBJ is better. You argue the exact opposite thing for him that you argue against crouch so stfu already.

 

[port_adelaide_1870]

Your repeating yourself mate, you literally are going "his stats a better, not listening to you, give me evidence". I have given you amples of evidence, I have given you stats AND facts. You choose to ignore them. You do I have given you a fact that his stats compared to other midfielders with his numbers are poor. I given you a fact that Darcy has better disposal, I have given you a evidence that Darcy has only had 1 goal kicked on him in the last 5 weeks, I have given you a fact that crouchs goal assists and scoring involvement are poor considering his numbers compared to other mids, I have given you evidence that his defensive work is poor (being reported on more then once on multiple radio stations), I have given you a fact that crouch tackling and pressure numbers are bad compared to other mids (crouch being 94th in the league for tackles).

But don't worry I know you will ignore all this and either do 3 things
1- say "You win"
2- I want evidence BS
3- ignore them

You really are a flog arent you, DBJ is a DEFENDER, those stats do not prove his defensive work rate, does not show what he has done to prevent his opponent from getting touches and getting goals, does not show defensive acts. Like i have said before in the thread, from an early age (under 18 champs) the word was that Spud was a player that just knew how to find the ball, knew how to get into the right places etc. Stats like that are useless because he is a midfielder, his job is to get the ball, is around the ball nearly all the time, where darcys main role is to stop his opponent and after that find some ball of his own.

Youre an idiot if you think this comparison is as easy as "look Crouch gets more touches therefore he is better"

No shit Crouch is going to have better stats, he is a midfielder... was Kane Cornes a better player then Bob Murphy? Yes or no.

No you won't answer because we both know bob was the superior player. Your argument was crouch has better stats therefore he is better because stats don't lie, Kane Cornes is superior in nearly every stats to murphy, does this mean he was a better player? No because some of us actually watch football and we can see the impact that both players have and clearly see bob was the better player.

It's the same thing with DBJ and Spud Crouch. Despite Crouch (a midfielder) getting more stats then Darcy (a defender) that doesn't mean he is superior to him.

You can't just say your argument is relevant to this comparison but not to another one.

I don't think you did because you said "if neutrals think crouch is better then I am bias". Where one of my last lines were "just because more people know of crouch and less people know darcy and what he can do, doesn't make him the better player".

And to your point, we are both bias to our own player. Facts are that Darcy has had 1 goal kicked on him in the last 5 weeks, he gets a large amount of ball himself and uses it incredibly well. I think you are severely overrating crouch and his impact on games. He doesn't use the ball very well, he has had 2 goal assist for the year and is sitting 133rd in the league for scoring involvement despite the fact that he averages over 26 disposals per game. He has kicked 3 goals. He is sitting 240th in the league for inside 50s despite averaging 26 disposals per game. His clearance work is okay but nothing special sitting 21st in the league (ollie wines who is having a bad year apparently is 14th). He is 94th in the league for tackles so he doesn't apply much pressure defensively.

So yes he is an overrated standard midfielder, that is not as good as DBJ

Care to comment on this one? ^

I never said you can't use them, never said you should ignore them. I'm saying it's humorous to me that crows flogs say "look crouch is better, look at the stats, he has more disposals, more clearances, more tackles than Darcy does". Hahaha yeah go through 90% of half back flanks and crouch would have better numbers than them as well, does that make crouch better than 90% of HBFs? No. It means a midfielder is likely gunna get more stats then a HBF because they're constantly around the ball and are not as accountable for a man than a defender is.

You say i apparently say ignore the stats (which I don't) yet you ignore and brush off the fact that Darcy has only had 2 goals kicked on him once. You crows flogs say he isn't accountable for a man apparently and his main job is to apparently get the ball as well, you ignore and make excuses for the fact that Darcy has a better disposal, you ignore all the stats that I presented you showing crouchs stats compared to the rest of the Comp and how average he stands in it compared to all the disposals he gets. And then you call my logic stupid... Lol.

Just going through 10 pages.

 

[port_adelaide_1870]

Crouch literally has better stats then EVERY half back flanker in the league.

That doesn't address the question that is being asked, the one you all deflect

What does crouch do well as a footballer

 

[port_adelaide_1870]

How the **** do you expect to explain in an objective way how a player is good, without using stats. Otherwise it is just opinionated puff bullshit, which is all you have provided for your spud (that, and excuse after excuse for his shit second half to the season).

You cannot 'debunk' stats. They are stats. They are objective. They are not open to manipulation. You are a certified idiot.

I debunked them by proving that his stats aren't that impressive when compared to other midfielders averaging 24 disposal +.

We are essentially debating a young midfielder v a young HBF. When one is averaging poorly (other then high disposals count) considering his position/number of possessions and the other is averaging well for his position. It's obvious who is better. Darcys impact on the game is superior to krouchs

Darcy also has never had 12 clanger and 8 turnovers

Edit: sorry Krouch not crouch

 

[Maddogmetro]

I debunked them by proving that his stats aren't that impressive when compared to other midfielders averaging 24 disposal +.

We are essentially debating a young midfielder v a young HBF. When one is averaging poorly (other then high disposals count) considering his position/number of possessions and the other is averaging well for his position. It's obvious who is better. Darcys impact on the game is superior to crouchs

Darcy also has never had 12 clanger and 8 turnovers

Wait wait wait, you are saying DBJ is 'averaging well for his position'? Hahahahahaha that is ridiculously laughable.

Come on, post comparative stats to Laird, Shaw, Docherty, Rampe, Enright, Wood, Brodie Smith, hell even Pittard. Show me you can be objective.

And that the **** does, 'averaging poorly (other then high disposals count)' mean? You are ****ing delusional.

 

[port_adelaide_1870]

Wait wait wait, you are saying DBJ is 'averaging well for his position'? Hahahahahaha that is ridiculously laughable.

Come on, post comparative stats to Laird, Shaw, Docherty, Rampe, Enright, Wood, Brodie Smith, hell even Pittard. Show me you can be objective.

And that the **** does, 'averaging poorly (other then high disposals count)' mean? You are ******* delusional.

Dude they're the best half back flankers in the league, obviously a player in his first full year of afl isn't going to be at that level. Your argument is idiotic. I said "well for his position" not "averaging amazing/great etc"

What does it mean? Can't you read? Nearly every other stat, other then disposal count is Krouch is averaging poorly when compared to other players averaging 24+ disposals a game. Now I know you're slow so I will explain it to you. That means (dramatic music) that Krouch gets a lot of touches but doesn't do a whole lot with it. His hand balling and disposals count are first class, no one can argue with that. But other then that, everything is pretty meh/bad