Matt Rendell...

[plough]

Re: Matt Rendall...

Rendell is right, abbot right

Relton Roberts is a classic example, if club officials had been able to see the parents he could still be playing

 

[UpForGrabs]

Re: Matt Rendall...

How should he have got his "if we don't do something to help make the transition to AFL football for these kids a much easier one, we will go backwards rapidly" concerns across? What is stupid is that when a guy who clearly doesn't give a fig about being politically correct tries to sell a concept of a better pathway which will ultimately help future generations of Aboriginal footballers to make the transition to AFL, instead of the league and his own club seeing the merit in the suggestion, he gets the predictable response.

That's a pretty good start right there, but there's no perfect way to get the point across. All I've been trying to say over the past however many posts is that Matt Rendell used a poor choice of words to make his point.

 

[mysainters]

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I think it's his choice of the word joke that hasn't sat well with some.

Personally I think by using the word joke, he meant not in earnest.

Rather than comedic?

 

[WAG]

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That's a pretty good start right there, but there's no perfect way to get the point across. All I've been trying to say over the past however many posts is that Matt Rendell used a poor choice of words to make his point.

He admitted that himself. I think that we can all agree that what he said to get his point across was very stupid.

 

[aussierulesrules]

Re: Matt Rendall...

You must be a white apologist because you dont talk like any nunga i know. As an Aboriginal man and Crows supporter, i am now ashamed of my club for bending over to the afl. My interactions (small as they have been) with matt have never been anything but positive/ helpful towards my mob and the central australian communities speak highly of matt aswell. I wanted to hear his side of the story before passing judgemnet as it did not ring true to what i know and have heard. Shame on you Trigg.

BTW the government spends more and more money too, it justifies their position but does it actually make a difference?. Many communities in central australia would beg to differ.

Thanks for sharing you experiences with him and how you believe the central Australian communities view him.

 

[Lord Nicholson]

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Not the best choice of words.

Why, how many African-Americans are there involved in this topic?

Not many, I'd guess.

Christ, now we're not even allowed to use commonplace idioms for fear of upsetting someone. Everyone is obsessed with being outraged on behalf of someone else.

 

[Digga Hole]

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A lot of miles left in this story i would think.

In the morning we will get the story of the 'third' person in the room.

He would want to have some pretty solid evidence and be backed up by mifsud or this whole stinking pile of crap is going to land smack bang in his lap.

AD and others will say "we were misinformed"

 

[Collingwood 4 eternity]

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How Carro can sit through that same outpouring of emotions by Rendell that we all saw and still try and torch him is beyond belief.

The most cold, soulless bitch I've ever came across.

Ah yes ol Caro

Never happy unless she is burning someone at the steak

 

[plough]

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Why, how many African-Americans are there involved in this topic?

Not many, I'd guess.

Christ, now we're not even allowed to use commonplace idioms for fear of upsetting someone. Everyone is obsessed with being outraged on behalf of someone else.

If you could just cut on the back on the religious bit, be most appreciated

 

[Roby]

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You're clutching at straws and mis-quoting him (which you haven't admitted, that I've seen) and I'd suggest you have no idea.

We're all going to go a hell of a lot more by what the likes of the Andrew McLeod's and Misfud's (his friend) have to say about him (who actually know him, unlike you) rather than you, who clearly have a major axe to grind and like the AFL, are using him as a scapegoat.

Oh, and just because you use these little pictures and and so on, doesn't make what you're saying any less incorrect. It just makes you look more stupid and ignorant.

Like Caro, it seems you haven't really listened to what he said, but just have too many things going on in your own head (in her case she wanted a headline or story, in your case you want to grind this axe and needed a scapegoat) but I'd suggest it's your loss. He'll be fine out of this. I dare say you'll still be just as bitter, if not more so.

Then you wonder why I put smiley when you reply like this.

Yes, I do find this humorous when I have to live in a country of pretensions, double-standards, double-thinking and where the ignorant are allowed to thrive.

You keep saying I misquote, why don't you show the examples, and the video evidence, or even at least give me the correct quote in comparison. At worst I might have paraphrased but you haven't suggested that.

You seem to have me all worked with my axe and all and you hypocritically claim I can make comments on somebody I don't know, but you're happy to do so with me? Ooh, look another smiley. Think what you like.

You can say I am stupid or ignorant but you have not after multiple attempts (and I don't know if you have reviewed the evidence from my point of view) convinced me with any evidence, let alone anecdotal to even counter my point.

I know what your issue is. You don't believe Demetriou should be running the AFL. We have a big issue with authority in this country. Talk about culture but it's very Australian to have a go a the tall poppy, isn't? Yes you can all gather around and hug each other in unison, have a beer all in the name of disrespecting authority. Now that one of your fair dinkum white fellas has been hung out to dry because we are been overly sensitive to Aboriginals it's upset your apple card. How dare day. Meanwhile, I'll have to continue to accept abuse and suffering for racial vilification and many more so like me.

Rendell. Racist. Didn't apologise. Simple. It may the only thing you can understand. No smiley this face, just the solemn of silence of human depravity at it's best.

 

[Magma]

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Rewatch closely again, see his body language, his tone, the way he pauses, fidgets, and what he says. And then come back.

pick the lad who's been watching csi before the interview came on.

 

[Roby]

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You must be a white apologist because you dont talk like any nunga i know. As an Aboriginal man and Crows supporter, i am now ashamed of my club for bending over to the afl. My interactions (small as they have been) with matt have never been anything but positive/ helpful towards my mob and the central australian communities speak highly of matt aswell. I wanted to hear his side of the story before passing judgemnet as it did not ring true to what i know and have heard. Shame on you Trigg.

BTW the government spends more and more money too, it justifies their position but does it actually make a difference?. Many communities in central australia would beg to differ.

I never said I was, all I said is that I have been racially vilified.

You know Lionel Rose? I grew in Drouin, I saw it first hand how Aboriginals were segregated and vilified in a town where a legend was born. But as far as many people there are concerned, Aboriginal people are just an inconvenience unless their name is Buddy Franklin or Adam Goodes.

How do you change people's thinking when respected and long standing recruiters make comments like that and do not apologise for them?

I would never ever say such a thing, not even at gun point. How can you possibly say such comments and not think them? Are you happy for this double-thinking to go on? Rendell was trying to save face and not apologising. If he had apologised he would still have a job. But he didn't.

It's very frustrating and I don't know what else to say. If you happy to have recruiters like Rendell then you must happy to have recruiters who make throw away lines as such, and make decisions based on a parents' race.

 

[DivideandMultiply]

Re: Matt Rendall...

Seriously you people are buying his sob story even though he continually contraticed himself during the whole interview? When asked if he would recruit an indegenious player over a white player both of equal ability he said they cannot be equal. Muhaha, more racism!


The underseeded of racism is fairly permutated in the minds of people still in this country.

This is a misrepresentation of what was said. The implication was that no players are equal.

The second comment is both poorly written and broadly manipulative. The implication, if you don't agree with me you are simply further evidence of the inherent racism in Australian society.

You are either a troll, or a person trying to bend circumstances to justify a particular POV.

 

[The Chiefton]

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Best hour of a Football show television I reckon i've ever seen. Absolutely great viewing, and anybody who has met, or come across MR knows he's as honest as they get, even Hutchy looked red eyed and lost for words at the conclusion of it. To piss off the run sheet meant it knocked them down with a feather.

I felt like I was a part of the whole situation and you could feel his hurt.
His response when asked about his future in the AFL was honest and simply sensational.
If there really was malice intended you'd think he and Mifsud would no longer be friends.

 

[Roby]

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This is a misrepresentation of what was said. The implication was that no players are equal.

The second comment is both poorly written and broadly manipulative. The implication, if you don't agree with me you are simply further evidence of the inherent racism in Australian society.

You are either a troll, or a person trying to bend circumstances to justify a particular POV.

He was given a hypothetical, Rendell knew it, surely you know this?

The question was asked again by Lyon, hypothetically all things been equal who would you choose? The answer is very simple.

Rendell said after a long pause "it would be a bonus for the aboriginal player". What does that mean?

The was designed so that he would answer it simply, and he could not do so.

 

[DivideandMultiply]

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and make decisions based on a parents' race.

There is no evidence Rendell either supports or has made recruiting decisions based on the race of a players parents.

In fact he clearly refuted the notion.

Again this is a disingenuous and manipulative post. You misrepresent events, then imply that support for Rendell equates support for racist recruiting policies.

 

[Warsaw]

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Can't believe I missed this. Usually get on FC during the season but didn't even know it was on tonight.

 

[jeemak]

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I'm not normally into the use of the term scapegoat however, I think in this situation I'm prepared to let it out.

Rendell is a scapegoat, because somebody was stupid enough to let the comments made in the meeting he attended with somebody he trusted, joined by somebody else he didn't know out. On top of that, he was stupid enough to be flippant with his comments to demonstrate a point that he believed needed to be made, without thinking of the consequences. All of this, without any evidence of context.

These comments did not need to be aired because of the grey nature of them. You have two parties that believe the comments were made in seperate contexts, though one party was stupid enough to air them. Is it a little bit strange that the party that was stupid enough to air them is the same party that is coming out all guns blazing?

This situation reflects so poorly on the AFL it isn't funny. It shows what a stupid, insulated and self important organisation it is. It is so hell bent on proving what a great job it does for each and every community it has an interest in that in many cases you have to wonder whether the crap you hear is propaganda, nothing more and nothing less.

When I see petro-chems and other chemical companies advertise all the great things they're doing for the environmnet I immediately get suspicious. I have been thinking the AFL might be similar in the way it defines its relationship with indigenous people through its PR department for a while now. This whole episode doesn't do a lot to change my perception of them in that regard.

 

[DivideandMultiply]

Re: Matt Rendall...

He was given a hypothetical, Rendell knew it, surely you know this?

The question was asked again by Lyon, hypothetically all things been equal who would you choose? The answer is very simple.

Rendell said after a long pause "it would be a bonus for the aboriginal player". What does that mean?

The was designed so that he would answer it simply, and he could not do so.

Because life is not simple and as he said, no two players are equal.

Your insinuation was either deliberate based on wilful ignorance or malicious intent, either way you completely misrepresented what was said. End of.

 

[Roby]

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There is no evidence Rendell either supports or has made recruiting decisions based on the race of a players parents.

In fact he clearly refuted the notion.

Again this is a disingenuous and manipulative post. You misrepresent events, then imply that support for Rendell equates support for racist recruiting policies.

What apart from the fact that he implied it?

Are you misrepresenting what I am saying? It appears so.

 

[aussierulesrules]

Re: Matt Rendall...

There is no evidence Rendell either supports or has made recruiting decisions based on the race of a players parents.

In fact he clearly refuted the notion.

Again this is a disingenuous and manipulative post. You misrepresent events, then imply that support for Rendell equates support for racist recruiting policies.

Exactly. He/she clearly has a major axe to grind and doesn't care about the truth, or has just mis-interpreted what he said as badly as Caro did (it may even be Caro, that may be why they keep saying how they've watched the interview so many times (who else would have taped it?). For someone who has supposedly watched it more than once, it's almost laughable how badly they have misinterpreted what he said.
I think we're all wasting our time responding to his/her posts. I'm not even bothering to read them anymore and I suggest everyone else does the same, as there's nothing to be gained from reading them. Reading them is about as useful as banging your head against a brick wall.

 

[DivideandMultiply]

Re: Matt Rendall...

What apart from the fact that he implied it?

He never implied it.

His comment was an absurd hypothetical about what could happen in the future if more support was not given to young indigenous AFL hopefuls.

 

[aussierulesrules]

Re: Matt Rendall...

That has been explained to Roby multiple times, but it doesn't seem to be getting through. Either they don't want it to, as they'd rather just be angry with him (probably because they don't have the guts to be angry with who they're really angry with) or they're just trolling.

 

[MattyB_76]

Re: Matt Rendall...

What apart from the fact that he implied it?

Are you misrepresenting what I am saying? It appears so.

Ok Roby, name me 2 players in history who are equal. Any 2 will do.

 

[Filthy Fielke]

Re: Matt Rendall...

I'm one of those bleeding heart do-gooder inner city elite pc types.

I've also lived on remote Aboriginal communities, managed shops in Redfern and Alice with predominantly Indigenous customers, count many Aborigines as my close friends and I'm writing a thesis on ethnic identity.

The comment as originally reported in the media was a text book example of racism, and I literally felt sick when I read about it, not least because it was from my club.

However, it seems to me from Rendell's explanation that the comment was purposefully so because he was presenting a possible future scenario where recruiters would make such racist decisions. Although it was somewhat hyperbolic, the point was that we could end up in a situation where recruiters make blanket and unjust assumptions about potential players based on nothing more than their heritage. And that would be, according to Rendell, a terrible thing.

All of this rubbish about his body language, tone and fidgeting can just as logically be explained by his nervous indignation at not only being taken out of context, but also being accused of something that he abhors: racism. To infer that he is a racist using such ambiguous evidence is extraordinarily unfair, and is the reason why polygraphs are not reliable.

Furthermore, his recruiting record and the support he's received from Indigenous players should at least make people second guess such assumptions. As a poster said up thread, I'll take McLeod's judgement of Rendell's character over most people's.

The story is no longer about Rendell's comments, because the reporting of them was deliberately inaccurate, misleading and inflammatory.

The story is now the denial of natural justice for Rendell and the cynical use of a sensitive and important topic by the AFL and the media for their own grubby purposes.