Matthew Wade

[JUBJUB]

Lyon was robbed of 5+ wickets this summer thanks to wade

Mummy Lyon..........is that you ?
Perhaps your boy should learn how to bowl batters or get LBW's and not rely on others to get him wickets.Rangana Herath doesn't need others.

 

[Team DJ]

Mummy Lyon..........is that you ?
Perhaps your boy should learn how to bowl batters or get LBW's and not rely on others to get him wickets.Rangana Herath doesn't need others.

Who is a better spinner then him right now?


So none of Glenn McGraths caught behinds should count then?

 

[crownie]

Pretty sure i wrote through the summer......

Thats our problem. Warne was once in a life time. We will never see another spinner like him again. Lyon is our best atm and thats all we need. Wade is not our best keeper.

Even early in Gillys career i still think that Seccombe was the only shield player who was a better Glovemen then him. Towards the end. Manou was probably the only better keeper then him.

Berry and Emery were better early but their ages meant they were no chance.

you are correct and sometimes with sport its about timing and thanks to Paines injury Wade has got his chance and so far has done enough to keep his spot to suit the teams situation, with our batting the way it is its even more important to have a keeper who can average 35 and above.

 

[Underarm]

people bitch and moan too much. Matthew Wade will be playing in sydney new years test again next year.

 

[Team DJ]

you are correct and sometimes with sport its about timing and thanks to Paines injury Wade has got his chance and so far has done enough to keep his spot to suit the teams situation, with our batting the way it is its even more important to have a keeper who can average 35 and above.

Agreed. With our attack at the moment i am confident that we can take 20 wickets a match no problems. Can we score 350+ im not sure.

But i think Paine could average 35+ and help on the Gloves side as well taking some half chances.

 

[sherb]

Mummy Lyon..........is that you ?
Perhaps your boy should learn how to bowl batters or get LBW's and not rely on others to get him wickets.Rangana Herath doesn't need others.

You joke, yes?

 

[Slax]

you are correct and sometimes with sport its about timing and thanks to Paines injury Wade has got his chance and so far has done enough to keep his spot to suit the teams situation, with our batting the way it is its even more important to have a keeper who can average 35 and above.

Wade has done enough to be in the sideregardless of whether or not he is keeping. His batting is more than satisfactory for him to bat at 6 and bring in some one else as a keeper. This would also provide us with a specialist slip that we also desperately need.

 

[mediumsizered]

He is a more consistent bat then wade though. Prime example today and yesterday. Hundred yesterday. Looked like a mugg today. Paine has a better test match temperament and is a far better keeper.

We dont pick 7 batsmen. We have a top 6 and a wicket keeper.

On what do you base this? A first class average of 31 in more than 50 matches does not point to consistency, particularly when he has only made 1 century in that time.

I think it is safe to say that Wade definitely has Paine covered as a batsman (FWIW, Warner made 85 in the first innings & a duck in the 2nd innings, is Warner therefore inconsistent)?

 

[crownie]

Wade has done enough to be in the sideregardless of whether or not he is keeping. His batting is more than satisfactory for him to bat at 6 and bring in some one else as a keeper. This would also provide us with a specialist slip that we also desperately need.

im sure england will enjoy playing against an Australia team with Wade batting 6. Handy bat when he is keeping but not good enough to play test cricket as a bat.

 

[brisbane13]

you are correct and sometimes with sport its about timing and thanks to Paines injury Wade has got his chance and so far has done enough to keep his spot to suit the teams situation, with our batting the way it is its even more important to have a keeper who can average 35 and above.

wade has been picked as the primary keeper period. both healy and Gilchrist, where advertage against spin when they first started. it is easy to make statements for players to have played better in different situations being a better keeper or batting, but wade has proven to be reliable performer for a number of years for victoria. it want so long we where calling for clark or husseys head

 

[sherb]

On what do you base this? A first class average of 31 in more than 50 matches does not point to consistency, particularly when he has only made 1 century in that time.

Actually, an average of 31 over so many matches with only one hundred does point to consistency.

What it does highlight however is an inability to go on with starts and get hundreds.

Two completely different things.

 

[mediumsizered]

Actually, an average of 31 over so many matches with only one hundred does point to consistency.

What it does highlight is an inability to go on with starts and get hundreds.

Two completely different things.

When you consider Paine has batted 97 times in first class cricket & made 1 century (a score of 215, which already inflates his average) & 20 50s, it means he has scored approx half his first class runs in 21 innings & half in a further 76 innings. One might suggest his record is a bit like that of Marcus North. Every now & then he is going to make a decent score, but more often than not he is going to fail.

 

[themidlandmaster]

Wade has two centuries and two half centuries already, on both occasions his century won the game in a total of 16 innings. How is that not consistent?

 

[Ducky Tie]

Actually, an average of 31 over so many matches with only one hundred does point to consistency.

What it does highlight however is an inability to go on with starts and get hundreds.

Two completely different things.

Agreed, Paine is consistent in getting pretty thirties.

 

[sherb]

Just further to the above, Paine has one century and 20 half centuries in 97 first-class innings. And he has only 8 not outs, so his average is not being bolstered by them.

So his issue is clearly not being able to turn half-centuries into centuries. I have no idea why, as the bloke can obviously bat. For instance, he has 5 List A hundreds in 13 less innings.

It's an odd situation with Paine's batting. Further highlighted by the fact that his one first-class century was actually a double hundred.

 

[Phone]

It's an odd situation with Paine's batting. Further highlighted by the fact that his one first-class century was actually a double hundred.

He didn't keep in that match ftr. I don't actually think that has anything to do with the conversion rate, but maybe other people on here do.

 

[sherb]

When you consider Paine has batted 97 times in first class cricket & made 1 century (a score of 215, which already inflates his average) & 20 50s, it means he has scored approx half his first class runs in 21 innings & half in a further 76 innings. One might suggest his record is a bit like that of Marcus North. Every now & then he is going to make a decent score, but more often than not he is going to fail.

And Wade has 6 hundreds and 21 fifties in 94 first-class innings for 3166 runs.

So he has made more than half his runs in 27 innings and less than half in a further 67 innings.

All you have done is point out how averages work. (Particularly by pointing out that high scores inflate averages, lol).

Wade is a more successful batsman (6 times more past 50 and a considerably better average) and he is better at converting 50s into hundreds. No doubt.

But using your curious method of breaking down his first-class record, is he necessarily any more "consistent" than Paine?

 

[sherb]

He didn't keep in that match ftr. I don't actually think that has anything to do with the conversion rate, but maybe other people on here do.

I don't think he did from memory. It was against WA in Perth I think and he played as an opening batsman only.

 

[Spud Patrol]

At the end of the day if your the keeper for the Australian test team you have to be good with the gloves first and foremost. This is our boy Spud Wade's problem. He's not a particularly good batter either, very lucky however, I will give him that. He seems to get life after life when he's out at the crease. Still a spud in my book for now.

 

[mediumsizered]

And Wade has 6 hundreds and 21 fifties in 94 first-class innings for 3166 runs.

So he has made more than half his runs in 27 innings and less than half in a further 67 innings.

All you have done is point out how averages work. (Particularly by pointing out that high scores inflate averages, lol).

Wade is a more successful batsman (6 times more past 50 and a considerably better average) and he is better at converting 50s into hundreds. No doubt.

But using your curious method of breaking down his first-class record, is he necessarily any more "consistent" than Paine?

Those numbers show that he is more consistent than Paine. More hundreds, more fifties in less first class innings. Obviously that is why Wade's average is better than that of Paine. Remember, I was responding to a poster who stated that Paine was a more consistent "bat" than Wade, which is a total falsehood. If he was, his average would be superior to that of Wade.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Wade's keeping isn't that great, but he is still fairly young - he can improve. People like Ian Healy, Rod Marsh, even Gilly to an extent have all improved their keeping during their time as a test player. Lets just hope he does improve his keeping.

 

[laminex]

people bitch and moan too much. Matthew Wade will be playing in sydney new years test again next year.

Tim Pain is a better wikkie and batsman, i like Wade but he has lowered his colors this series. Pain is something very special imo.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Tim Pain is a better wikkie and batsman, i like Wade but he has lowered his colors this series. Pain is something very special imo.

On what basis is Paine a better batsman? The lower average? The lower number of First Class 100s? The lower number of Test 100s?

 

[Simple Jack]

On what basis is Paine a better batsman? The lower average? The lower number of First Class 100s? The lower number of Test 100s?

Less is more, jeez. Haven't you been keeping up?

 

[Plugger35]

Wade's keeping isn't that great, but he is still fairly young - he can improve. People like Ian Healy, Rod Marsh, even Gilly to an extent have all improved their keeping during their time as a test player. Lets just hope he does improve his keeping.

I wasn't around when Rod Marsh started out as a keeper but I can't recall Healy or Gilchrist making as many mistakes as Wade has early in their careers, they were both pretty good keeping to Warne.