Injury Max King's knee

[Leap of Faith]

We’re going to find out at some point.

I can see why the club puts out the positive line, we need to sell memberships and keep the faithful happy.

Except I’m pretty sure most of us on here would be part of ‘The Faithful’ and our BS detectors are well tuned.

 

[The Jack]

We can rebuild him! We have the technology!

 

[SainterinSydney]

Chill everyone. He has had some calf setbacks which was expected considering where he was coming back from.

If he has another knee injury, then by all means despair.

 

[Mowman]

Chill everyone. He has had some calf setbacks which was expected considering where he was coming back from.

If he has another knee injury, then by all means despair.

Don’t need to be told to chill because we have a different view on what’s happening

Said in January he won’t be back before rnd 8 - 12 and it’s not calf issue


Chill everyone it’s only been 2 years for a meniscus injury

 

[SainterinSydney]

Don’t need to be told to chill because we have a different view on what’s happening

Said in January he won’t be back before rnd 8 - 12 and it’s not calf issue


Chill everyone it’s only been 2 years for a meniscus injury

I'm just saying let's give him this season to get back before we write him off. Curnow had a similar story which has been done to death.

We also know the whole timeline with his knee. He should have played the majority of last year had they done the meniscus snip.

Is it confirmed it is not related to his calf? Tony74 said he was running laps for 45 min before training the other day.

 

[70s sainter]

I'm just saying let's give him this season to get back before we write him off. Curnow had a similar story which has been done to death.

We also know the whole timeline with his knee. He should have played the majority of last year had they done the meniscus snip.

Is it confirmed it is not related to his calf? Tony74 said he was running laps for 45 min before training the other day.

You look at curnow and his body looks tougher and more solid / sustainable than Kings . King is just so goddamn fragile that even if he gets back how long is he gonna last

 

[Mowman]

I'm just saying let's give him this season to get back before we write him off. Curnow had a similar story which has been done to death.

We also know the whole timeline with his knee. He should have played the majority of last year had they done the meniscus snip.

Is it confirmed it is not related to his calf? Tony74 said he was running laps for 45 min before training the other day.

We said that about the same time last year


I have said i think we will be fine whether he plays or doesn't


It will come to a point that it will be better for club and player to move on if he keeps breaking down

 

[mad-saint-guy]

Worse contract extensions? Can think of Grundy who the Pies only just finished paying to play for two other clubs. Jamarra who went off and did ice for a couple of years.

Max hasn't actually retired yet and if he comes good the contract extension will be fine as we are front-loading it. He was almost back in full training at the start of Feb so your line that he's only done a 45 min running session in 2 months is also not quite true.

You're right though we should be planning for a future without him, best to plan for the worst case scenario, it would be foolish not to.

Grundy rarely misses a game and is still an elite ruck...there's absolutely no comparison with King. Collingwood managed their cap poorly but extending the contract of a durable gun player is nothing like giving a cripple an 8 year extension

 

[jwikked]

You look at curnow and his body looks tougher and more solid / sustainable than Kings . King is just so goddamn fragile that even if he gets back how long is he gonna last

Important to remember, he had knee issues before we drafted him lol. This isn’t a new thing.

Might be a different knee this time, but surely major issues with both knees is a major red flag

 

[gringo2011]

Watching Ben King

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Ben King

Age

25

Ht

202cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.2

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

3.5

4star

T

0.5

3star

G

1.3

5star

D

7.5

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

1.9

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

0.3

1star

G

1.5

5star

D

6.8

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

2.4

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

0.2

3star

G

1.0

4star

is worse. You see what we are missing out on.

 

[Mowman]

Watching Ben King is worse. You see what we are missing out on.

If he leaves it will be the pies not us at a guess

 

[SaintsofSteel]

We obviously desparately need a big key forward target, but will Max ever be versatile or reliable enough to get us through to a GF. For the sake of our season I hope he gets going sooner rather than later, but at the end of the year his name has to be floated and if there are decent offers we need to pull the trigger.

Go back to the draft or trade for a player like Jed Walter GCS, plus look for a player capable of filling in when required. Hawthorn have that many key forwards surely we could squeeze one out of there? The key to any new player now more than ever, is they must be physically sound and capable of playing all season.

 

[Mowman]

We obviously desparately need a big key forward target, but will Max ever be versatile or reliable enough to get us through to a GF. For the sake of our season I hope he gets going sooner rather than later, but at the end of the year his name has to be floated and if there are decent offers we need to pull the trigger.

Go back to the draft or trade for a player like Jed Walter GCS, plus look for sound player capable of filling in when required. Hawthorn have that many key forwards surely we could squeeze one out of there?

No one is offering anything for Max

You couldn’t give him away

 

[JG22]

He needs some aggression and urgency in his game.

He’s young and shows flashes which is great but we need to be able to count on him to provide a contest. If he can step up this season then max becomes a great bonus if and when he gets back.

That’s not something you often develop, unfortunately he’s not a fierce competitor.

 

[mad-saint-guy]

I'm just saying let's give him this season to get back before we write him off. Curnow had a similar story which has been done to death.

We also know the whole timeline with his knee. He should have played the majority of last year had they done the meniscus snip.

Is it confirmed it is not related to his calf? Tony74 said he was running laps for 45 min before training the other day.

Curnow had a 3 year stretch where he only managed 15 games. Other than that he's been quite durable. Big setback to come back from, but he's not an injury-riddled or injury-prone player outside of the MCL/patella issues during that period.

King has had an ACL rupture, meniscus removed, PCL rupture, shoulder reco, high ankle sprain, concussion and now repeated calf strains along with numerous arthroscopes poking around to clean up all the scar tissue and bung cartilage in his knees. He is fragile and he's damaged goods at this point.

King has managed to get on the field for 83 out of a possible 157 games since he was drafted. He was also playing injured/underdone in about 20 of those.

 

[MordySaint]

Watching Ben King is worse. You see what we are missing out on.

When he was drafted, the choice between identical twins... one is injured the other is not.

We draft the injured twin.

 

[mad-saint-guy]

When he was drafted, the choice between identical twins... one is injured the other is not.

We draft the injured twin.

No surprise. Same club that picked the undersized diabetic full forward over the beast of a goal kicking mid who was clearly the best player in the draft.

Same club that selected a skinny, scrappy half back who can't kick with pick 8 over a mid/forward with sublime skills, balance and footy IQ

 

[MordySaint]

No surprise. Same club that picked the undersized diabetic full forward over the beast of a goal kicking mid who was clearly the best player in the draft.

Same club that selected a skinny, scrappy half back who can't kick with pick 8 over a mid/forward with sublime skills, balance and footy IQ

Same club that offered an already contracted injured player a massive watertight multi-million extension to their contract. Making it one of the longest and most expensive contracts in the AFL.

You just couldn't make this up, we are our own worst enemy.

 

[phantom13]

Worse contract extensions? Can think of Grundy who the Pies only just finished paying to play for two other clubs. Jamarra who went off and did ice for a couple of years.

Max hasn't actually retired yet and if he comes good the contract extension will be fine as we are front-loading it. He was almost back in full training at the start of Feb so your line that he's only done a 45 min running session in 2 months is also not quite true.

You're right though we should be planning for a future without him, best to plan for the worst case scenario, it would be foolish not to.

Grundy was still playing to a pretty good level he just ****ed up the Pies cap balance, they also managed a flag after trading him so it clearly didnt impact them.

JUH was on a 2 year deal wasnt he? Not even remotely comparable.

Defs a good play to drop $1.4m and $1.2 for maybe 10 games from a bloke.

I'm just saying let's give him this season to get back before we write him off. Curnow had a similar story which has been done to death.

We also know the whole timeline with his knee. He should have played the majority of last year had they done the meniscus snip.

Is it confirmed it is not related to his calf? Tony74 said he was running laps for 45 min before training the other day.

Thats what people said last year.

I do laugh at this whole "hes running laps" stuff. If his calf injury was as minor as stated then he likely would have been light jogging laps now. I could go down to my local oval now and trot around the boundary for 45 minutes at 6.30min/kms for an hour and im not 4-6 weeks off playing AFL footy (and thats assuming he ran 45 minutes continously which id doubt).

Its such a base level of fitness for normal healthy people that using it as some measure for AFL ability to play is just silly.

 

[Saints4ever]

No surprise. Same club that picked the undersized diabetic full forward over the beast of a goal kicking mid who was clearly the best player in the draft.

Same club that selected a skinny, scrappy half back who can't kick with pick 8 over a mid/forward with sublime skills, balance and footy IQ

Yes it’s super frustrating but also
Calum Wilkie
Jack Sinclair
Rowan Marshall
Max Hall

 

[mad-saint-guy]

Yes it’s super frustrating but also
Calum Wilkie
Jack Sinclair
Rowan Marshall
Max Hall

No doubt we've found some serious quality with low value picks. Makes it all the more frustrating that we've flubbed several high value picks when all we needed to do was make the obvious correct decision.

Don't use early picks on players with serious injury/health issues or on players who can't kick. If we followed those basic common sense rules we'd be in much better shape.

 

[botts]

No doubt we've found some serious quality with low value picks. Makes it all the more frustrating that we've flubbed several high value picks when all we needed to do was make the obvious correct decision.

Don't use early picks on players with serious injury/health issues or on players who can't kick. If we followed those basic common sense rules we'd be in much better shape.

We can’t seem to nail a second round pick though. It’s starting to hurt us

 

[hangdog]

Same club that offered an already contracted injured player a massive watertight multi-million extension to their contract. Making it one of the longest and most expensive contracts in the AFL.

You just couldn't make this up, we are our own worst enemy.

Got some value out of Luke Delaney though

#everycloudhasasilverlining

 

[Tasmanian saint]

When he was drafted, the choice between identical twins... one is injured the other is not.

We draft the injured twin.

Hindsight is great but go back to that draft and there was not a recruiter of club in the country that would have drafted ben before max , if max was not injured he would have went pick 1

 

[phantom13]

Hindsight is great but go back to that draft and there was not a recruiter of club in the country that would have drafted ben before max , if max was not injured he would have went pick 1

Yeh, we do this with Billings/Bont and McCartin/Trac.

Billings was the right choice at draft time VERY few people said otherwise.

Trac was the right choice and we absolutely ****ed it.

Max was the right choice at draft time.

Retroactively legislating it doesn’t help.