Mcdermott on the crows.

[Rex - Crow]

What he says is true as far as the crows treating senior players like crap, and others looking else where to finish their playing days.

BUT he has compared the Crows to the WC Eagles ???? That boggles my mind, the WC have the worst reputation since the Chinese swimming team that had shemales swim for them. Their captain left, Kerr is a dimwit, Cousins well we all no about him, Gardiner just like Cousins, Sampi another one who has serious off field issues.

How the hell he can put the two clubs in the same sentence as far as of filed issues goes mystifies me and surely mystifies most of us.

Get a life bone!!!

 

[- PC -]

What he says is true as far as the crows treating senior players like crap,

Well he would know

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

Well he would know

Funny how many of his amateurish atricles comment on how badly the AFC treats its players.

McDermott bitter - no, no way.

 

[Rex - Crow]

Still can't compare the crows to the weagles!

 

[SA Tricolours]

Another typical anti-crow article from McDermott - ten years or so on and he still can't get over it.
But I guess it is off-season and so all he has time to do is to collect a series of minor incidents and try to create a story - although the headline aptly does call it a "sniff".

 

[swanfan]

I don't bother to read his columns. I believe it will harm my eyesight to read cheap shots.

 

[Rex - Crow]

Does any one remeber his reccord as coach at North how he treated his players and so on ??? All I remeber is he was sacked after 1 year I think ?

 

[Ford Fairlane]

I don't bother to read his columns. I believe it will harm my eyesight to read cheap shots.

Go on, I dare you ...

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,22738137-21543,00.html

 

[- PC -]

It is far from crisis time for the Crows, but there is cause for genuine concern.

Yet he says alarm bells are ringing? Hyperbole much?

Yes there have been one or two incidents that have concerned, but they have actually been exposed when in a different time pre 2005 when they would have been ignored or kept in house

Darren Pfeiffer, Bernie Vince, Andrew McIntyre, John Meesen, Simon Goodwin, Graham Johncock, Scott Welsh, Michael Doughty and Ben Hudson have also made very poor decisions in recent times. Some of those mentioned may never get another chance to redeem themselves. Several will never be seen in Crows colours again.

What did McIntyre do? Ahh

Meesen and McIntyre had an issue with inappropriate use of the internet.

Lol as if stick figures is worth rating

 

[RoosterLad]

Does any one remeber his reccord as coach at North how he treated his players and so on ??? All I remeber is he was sacked after 1 year I think ?

We made the Finals under him in 97 and then he got rid of 25 players or something, two went on to be premiership players and Magarey medallists.. even though one of them had other "issues".

 

[swanfan]

Go on, I dare you ...

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,22738137-21543,00.html

Won't do it.

 

[Stiffy_18]

I think he does have some point though!

If you remove his digs and the feel of "the sky is falling in" tone of the article he does make some good points!

In the last 2-3 years we have had incidents that keep popping up of bad player behaviour in the public and honestly, if you don't nip it in the bud early, it could potentially go on to be as big a problem as with the Eagles. If the Eagles stepped in and nipped it in the bud at the very first sign of trouble, maybe Cousins wouldn't be coming off a 5 day cocaine binge in LA.

My point is that these indicents keep occuring for some reason and I think its time they stopped. Granted some of the incidents were really nothing stories but we also need to realise that some of the more serious repeat incidents never become public.

Pfeiffer has had trouble follow him around since the moment he walked into the club rooms and as much as Drummond will tell you its not his fault, I am not dumb enough to believe that.

Goodwin for 2 season in a row shows poor judgment firstly by threatening a photographer and then gmabling on AFL games.

Welsh has always had issues off field and the latest incident certainly did him no favours. In fact it the very reason why the club won't offer him a 2 year deal because he is on his final warning.

Johncock causes an accident and bolts form the scene.

While Hudson's latest "indisgression" was nothing on the surface, he has been more than a handful for the club with his off field behaviour since his arrival at West Lakes.

Then the latest brain fade by Scott Thompson

I guess these little things can get out of control if not confronted and treated properly as soon as they emerge.

I do agree with McDermott that its far from crisis time but it certainly raises some questions. And while boys will be boys, there should be a certain level of professionalism expected from these blokes at all times and quite frankly, the indicents that have occured over the last 2-3 years don't exactly scream professionalism to me.

 

[- PC -]

I think he does have some point though!

If you remove his digs and the feel of "the sky is falling in" tone of the article he does make some good points!

In the last 2-3 years we have had incidents that keep popping up of bad player behaviour in the public and honestly, if you don't nip it in the bud early, it could potentially go on to be as big a problem as with the Eagles. If the Eagles stepped in and nipped it in the bud at the very first sign of trouble, maybe Cousins wouldn't be coming off a 5 day cocaine binge in LA.

My point is that these indicents keep occuring for some reason and I think its time they stopped. Granted some of the incidents were really nothing stories but we also need to realise that some of the more serious repeat incidents never become public.

Pfeiffer has had trouble follow him around since the moment he walked into the club rooms and as much as Drummond will tell you its not his fault, I am not dumb enough to believe that.

Goodwin for 2 season in a row shows poor judgment firstly by threatening a photographer and then gmabling on AFL games.

Welsh has always had issues off field and the latest incident certainly did him no favours. In fact it the very reason why the club won't offer him a 2 year deal because he is on his final warning.

Johncock causes an accident and bolts form the scene.

While Hudson's latest "indisgression" was nothing on the surface, he has been more than a handful for the club with his off field behaviour since his arrival at West Lakes.

Then the latest brain fade by Scott Thompson

I guess these little things can get out of control if not confronted and treated properly as soon as they emerge.

I do agree with McDermott that its far from crisis time but it certainly raises some questions. And while boys will be boys, there should be a certain level of professionalism expected from these blokes at all times and quite frankly, the indicents that have occured over the last 2-3 years don't exactly scream professionalism to me.

Its a fair call to make. But he proposes no solution

Get rid of the players and his next columm will be about how the Crows have no idea

Do nothing and his next columm will be about how the Crows have no idea

 

[Stiffy_18]

Its a fair call to make. But he proposes no solution

Get rid of the players and his next columm will be about how the Crows have no idea

Do nothing and his next columm will be about how the Crows have no idea

You got him worked out 100%

As I said, remove his actual intention of the article and just read what has happened over the last 2-3 years and there certainly should be some questions asked of the club because there are some warning signs.

Ignore those at your own peril!

 

[Rex - Crow]

You got him worked out 100%

As I said, remove his actual intention of the article and just read what has happened over the last 2-3 years and there certainly should be some questions asked of the club because there are some warning signs.

Ignore those at your own parel!

The big issue for me is he is making comparrisons to the Weagles ??? He must be on another planet.

 

[Stiffy_18]

The big issue for me is he is making comparrisons to the Weagles ??? He must be on another planet.

And how do you think Eagles problems started out?!

If the things are not addressed NOW, it is not far fetched to believe that down the track we would end up like the Eagles! I think thats the problem he is trying to make and I think the point has some merit!

 

[macca23]

And how do you think Eagles problems started out?!

If the things are not addressed NOW, it is not far fetched to believe that down the track we would end up like the Eagles! I think thats the problem he is trying to make and I think the point has some merit!

I'm on the same tram as you Stiffy.

Craig has given the players far more empowerment than would normally be the case.

Given the results of that it might be just the time to rein that in somewhat given the events of the year and the fact that the players' spiritual leader in Ricciuto won't be there any more to exercise some form of control.

 

[Dogga79]

And how do you think Eagles problems started out?!

Different characters and different people. I think you are making a generalization of a problem that I don't believe exists AFC. I think the Jhoncock scenario was by far and away the worst one and it looks like he has learnt his lesson.

Look in a nutshell McDermott is a two bit reporter that is 1% off the player he used to be. He writes these reports to stir the pot and make everything seem to look sicker than it actually is. It is purely just to generate interest and to justify his existence as a sports commentator. Nobody has made more dumb contradictory reports over the last few years. He should extend his nickname to bonehead.

 

[Eggzoi]

So we're too harsh on our players but at the same time we let them get away with too much?
I'm confused.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

And how do you think Eagles problems started out?!

If the things are not addressed NOW, it is not far fetched to believe that down the track we would end up like the Eagles! I think thats the problem he is trying to make and I think the point has some merit!

Whilst there are some worrying signs with player behaviour, surely you are not suggesting AFC has reponded in the same way as the Weagles by sweeping serious issues under the table?

 

[Portia]

I would've thought the most controversial part of the article was this:

West Coast are a great example that you can have all the talent in the world but if the environment isn't right, winning is tough.

Haven't they made the grand final, won a premiership, and backed that up with a fifth place finish, all in the last three years when all this covert drugginess has been going on?

 

[Rex - Crow]

And how do you think Eagles problems started out?!

If the things are not addressed NOW, it is not far fetched to believe that down the track we would end up like the Eagles! I think thats the problem he is trying to make and I think the point has some merit!

The thing is the Crows are dealing with these issues, the other hand the Weagles have let their players do what ever thay like.

If the Eagles hadn't been so succesfull over the past few years they maybe have dealt with it earlier.

Also I believe thay have had roid issues in the past, doring the early 90's they were all biult like toilet blocks!!!!

 

[Stiffy_18]

Different characters and different people. I think you are making a generalization of a problem that I don't believe exists AFC. I think the Jhoncock scenario was by far and away the worst one and it looks like he has learnt his lesson.

Look in a nutshell McDermott is a two bit reporter that is 1% off the player he used to be. He writes these reports to stir the pot and make everything seem to look sicker than it actually is. It is purely just to generate interest and to justify his existence as a sports commentator. Nobody has made more dumb contradictory reports over the last few years. He should extend his nickname to bonehead.

And you think that players at the AFC are angels and won't stray if given the opportunity?! C'mon! You cannot be that blind!

I also think that Goodwin's betting incident was pretty serious. In fact if he was playing professional soccer or basketball overseas he would have received ban for life for betting on the sport he is playing! It might not seem serious to you but in much bigger, more professional league than the AFL will ever be, players get life bans for those sort of things! They sure as hell wouldn't be named deputy captains of their team

Thompson's incident isn't exactly a minor thing either. Lucky for him the bloke "only" got a fractured scull and an eye socket! What if he was killed from the impact and that is not far fetched thought?!

Point is, we don't have angles on our list. We have as many trouble-some characters as any other club in the AFL. Eagles have a drug problem and while our problems might not be drug related, they are still problems that could blow out of control if not addressed and nipped in the bud.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Whilst there are some worrying signs with player behaviour, surely you are not suggesting AFC has reponded in the same way as the Weagles by sweeping serious issues under the table?

Kane, I don't know and neither do you! West Coast Eagles fans would have told you exactly the same thing you are telling me now no more than 3-4 years ago!

But is it seriously too far fetched to believe that there is a culture in the AFL that clubs do sweep some serious issues under the carpet when it comes to their star players an dpush out the lesser likes with the same problems?! Kouta's comments about the difference between Cousins and Angwin is spot on. One is given a chance after chance and being pushed into rehab while the other one is pushed out of the club!

There are many incidents, some quite serious that have never become public knowledge but that have been swept under the carpet!

 

[Southerntakeover]

And how do you think Eagles problems started out?!

If the things are not addressed NOW, it is not far fetched to believe that down the track we would end up like the Eagles! I think thats the problem he is trying to make and I think the point has some merit!

Sounds a bit melodramatic to me.

I could draw up a similiar list for the mob down the road, but everyone seems to be intent on talking up their 'winning culture'. Why is that?