McGuire

[goalpie]

Does McGuire believe his own ego is more important than the team, and if so, what is going to happen when more problems crop up next like they always seem to.

 

[sunnyTEE]

No he doesn't.

He is the best President in the country and will have learned immensely from recent events.

 

[MarkT]

I don’t think Eddie thinks his ego is more important than Collingwood but I do have real doubts that he can see the wood for the ego forest.

 

[shawthing09]

If anyone has paid any attention to anything that has come out of players and people involved in the club it is clear that it was the leadership group (players.) Who decided the punishment. It is clear that the leadership group Bucks included have tried to impose suspension on players before and been over ruled by the higher powers (wether it be Malthouse, Walsh, Pert or Eddie.) I think the reason they will stick to this punishment is to show their support to the leadership group.

Eddie is the president and I don't think he would have been involved in the punishment. I think after the disaster that was him being involved in the media saga that followed directly after the event he would have been kept as far away from it as possible. People seem to think that Ed made the decision and is enforcing it and I think that is far from the case. Of course ultimately he is the one with the power to change it, but that would be more egotistical then anything else and would show no support for his staff and players.

 

[well left]

Whether the punishment was right or wrong, going back on it now would be sending the wrong message. Reading between the lines, the leadership group has finally been able to convince MM and the administration that suspensions are necessary if they are to change the culture of the club.

I don't think it is Eddie's ego at play here. If anything, they would be playing if his ego had anything to do with it as a premiership whilst he is president would be the ultimate for him.

We get enough of opposition supporters believing that Eddie is controlling everything for his own interests. We don't really need our supporters pushing this message also....

 

[MacTruck]

what is going to happen when more problems crop up next like they always seem to.

So you don't like the hard line taken, yet you admit that there have been repeated problems.

So, from your reasoning, if sweeping it under the carpet doesn't work the first time we should just keep doing it until it does?

Good one.

 

[King Woodie]

I am strongly in favour of upholding the penalties.

McGuire and co were critizied for being too lenient when they let Didak off the hook last year.

Now some are saying it is too harsh?

You can't let blokes like Didak off again. It is better long term for our premiership chances (not this year but for every one following) if we show that this self defeating behaviour will not be tolerated, and that once you are on the Collingwood list, you are expected to do everything you can for the team.

What message would it send to Didak if he is allowed to play finals this year? That he can screw up whenever he wants, because no chance will be his last?

McGuire also needs to show the sponsors that this is not a cultural issue at the club, rather, just a one off.

 

[eddies army]

i think they need to enforce this one.......to go back on it would be to say come to the collingwood football club its a circus!!! look at any of the GREAT sides over the yrs and they all have one thing in common......THEY'RE DISCIPLINED, they have club, team and personal rules and they stick to them! we have a really good up and coming side that is built around young players and thats what needs to be instilled . without that we will always be making up the numbers.

 

[King Woodie]

Exactly.

You here about parents of West Coast draftees express concern over their sons going to a club with such a culture... that could easily be us if we don't stamp it out now.

We would lose our ability to get the best young kids on the scholarship program / international rookies / etc. More of our interstate draftees will opt to remain at home and complete their studies... it will snowball.

 

[alfiiee]

The punishment to begin with was too harsh, however if the punishment is for the whole season it would be stupid to bring them back for finals. Thats just ridiculous and it would bring more unwanted media to our club.

 

[MarkT]

I am strongly in favour of upholding the penalties.

McGuire and co were critizied for being too lenient when they let Didak off the hook last year.

Now some are saying it is too harsh?

Think about it all in context. Even if they were too lenient in the past that does not make the recent punishment appropriate. You might go easy on a first gamer if he turns the ball over and leave him on the ground but you don’t trade him if he does 3 times just because you think you may have gone too easy the first time..

We should come out and say, guess what we aresed up and never should have put ourselves in a position to significantly reduce our chance of winning finals when we decided on punishments 4 weeks before the end of the season. It was a silly decision and now we are going to stick with it. That is fundamentally poor management no matter what angle you approach it from. Either we were wrong in the past and have now over reacted or we don’t believe we were wrong but have still over reacted.

You can't let blokes like Didak off again.

He has been suspended. Playing him in the finals doesn’t equate to being let off. He has already been punished.

It is better long term for our premiership chances (not this year but for every one following) if we show that this self defeating behaviour will not be tolerated, and that once you are on the Collingwood list, you are expected to do everything you can for the team.

Nonesense. Never has never will make a difference. Drinks are drunks and DH’s are DH’s. Barry Hall is still swinging.

McGuire also needs to show the sponsors that this is not a cultural issue at the club, rather, just a one off.

What bit?

If you mean the DD then it isn’t a one off. It has happened before and it will happen again. It is cultural. Where do we move next time?

If you mean the lying then that isn’t a sponsorship matter it is an internal team and club matter. I agree it has to dealt with. The players have missed games. It may have cost their team mates a top 4 chance. That’s life. No we should get on with September with the best side we can field and we should be brave enough to say to everyone that is what we are doing.

 

[Professor Knowall]

If anyone has paid any attention to anything that has come out of players and people involved in the club it is clear that it was the leadership group (players.) Who decided the punishment. It is clear that the leadership group Bucks included have tried to impose suspension on players before and been over ruled by the higher powers (wether it be Malthouse, Walsh, Pert or Eddie.) I think the reason they will stick to this punishment is to show their support to the leadership group.

Eddie is the president and I don't think he would have been involved in the punishment. I think after the disaster that was him being involved in the media saga that followed directly after the event he would have been kept as far away from it as possible. People seem to think that Ed made the decision and is enforcing it and I think that is far from the case. Of course ultimately he is the one with the power to change it, but that would be more egotistical then anything else and would show no support for his staff and players.

Well spoken, sir. In complete contrast to the ignorance of the opening post.

 

[shawthing09]

Think about it all in context. Even if they were too lenient in the past that does not make the recent punishment appropriate. You might go easy on a first gamer if he turns the ball over and leave him on the ground but you don’t trade him if he does 3 times just because you think you may have gone too easy the first time..

We should come out and say, guess what we aresed up and never should have put ourselves in a position to significantly reduce our chance of winning finals when we decided on punishments 4 weeks before the end of the season. It was a silly decision and now we are going to stick with it. That is fundamentally poor management no matter what angle you approach it from. Either we were wrong in the past and have now over reacted or we don’t believe we were wrong but have still over reacted. He has been suspended. Playing him in the finals doesn’t equate to being let off. He has already been punished. Nonesense. Never has never will make a difference. Drinks are drunks and DH’s are DH’s. Barry Hall is still swinging. What bit?

If you mean the DD then it isn’t a one off. It has happened before and it will happen again. It is cultural. Where do we move next time?

If you mean the lying then that isn’t a sponsorship matter it is an internal team and club matter. I agree it has to dealt with. The players have missed games. It may have cost their team mates a top 4 chance. That’s life. No we should get on with September with the best side we can field and we should be brave enough to say to everyone that is what we are doing.

The leadership group have decided that htis was the suspension that they saw fit. Unless they change their stance I would hate to have them over ruled it is that kind of thing that has led to behavioural problems for us.

 

[eddies army]

The leadership group have decided that htis was the suspension that they saw fit. Unless they change their stance I would hate to have them over ruled it is that kind of thing that has led to behavioural problems for us.

that is the type of thing that would tear any cred out of a club. stand your ground pies, we have a brighter future than that

 

[Subprime]

I thought an appropriate penalty was 4 weeks and said so at the time. I'm now resigned to the fact that it won't be reviewed. Lets hope we can do some damage regardless.

 

[tess]

Does McGuire believe his own ego is more important than the team, and if so, what is going to happen when more problems crop up next like they always seem to.

One thing you can say about Ed is that he will learn from this whole episode.

Whats done is done lets concentrate on the COWS!

 

[Bloben]

Lets not forget what Heater and Didak did was absolutely fricken stupid and they deserve to not play finals. Since the club put the foot down on the lying and sunday drinking the younger guys have banded together and have started to play the type of footy we should have earlier.

It would be burning up the insides of Didak and Heater to be watching the Pies play finals without them knowing the club is lesser chance of victory because of their bollocks behaviour. They will have to live with that for a very long time but it may be enough to save their careers.

If the club was more interested in victory and not teaching a lesson then maybe they would bring them back in but IMO that would mean they would be more likely to be traded.

 

[Pie eyed]

What's done is done.
Rehashing options in hindsight is only entertainment for us, it won't sway the club or help the players on the park.
If the Suspensions cost us a flag then maybe that is the price we have to pay in our search for the next.
All success is the result of previous failures.

It's Spring and the club is in the finals.....until we lose then you can't really argue that the suspensions have add anything but a positive effect.

 

[RRRooocccaaa]

Whats done is done lets concentrate on the COWS!

Is that an oblique reference to a slow midfield?!? Or just because they're calming to look at...

 

[Mental Magpie]

I am strongly in favour of upholding the penalties.

McGuire and co were critizied for being too lenient when they let Didak off the hook last year.

Now some are saying it is too harsh?

You can't let blokes like Didak off again. It is better long term for our premiership chances (not this year but for every one following) if we show that this self defeating behaviour will not be tolerated, and that once you are on the Collingwood list, you are expected to do everything you can for the team.

What message would it send to Didak if he is allowed to play finals this year? That he can screw up whenever he wants, because no chance will be his last?

McGuire also needs to show the sponsors that this is not a cultural issue at the club, rather, just a one off.

Guys.
Unfortunately I think it may be a little deeper than "Just a one off"
I wont go as far as saying we have a cultural issue, (just yet) but this has been going on for some time now, and involves more players than initially suspected.
We must penalize and suspend any player for any indiscretion that would impact their preparations for a game of footy.
I couldn't give a stuff about what happens in the real world (outside footy) there are Courts and Laws that deal with these things.
The players must ensure that their preparation is second to none. No Booze (this is the biggest issue at the moment) no partying etc.
If all the players are on the same level as far as their commitment to the Collingwood Football Club is concerned, success will come.
If not - Mediocrity will remain.

 

[FIGJAM]

I don’t think Eddie thinks his ego is more important than Collingwood but I do have real doubts that he can see the wood for the ego forest.

Mmmmm.....Ego!

 

[tess]

Was listening to SEN on the way to the local Chinese food shop tonight and heard a talkback caller chatting to Ed about our "success". This guy whether it true or NOT said he believes about 400 will not renew their memberships next year if MM fails and stays on. Now either he is very popular or I really need to get out and network more cause I don't think I even know 40 members of the pies close enough to know they are not going to renew.

But back on topic, I was disappointed with Ed's response to the possibility of losing 400 members of "who gives a rats". . . . . It sounded arrogant and distant.

 

[Daicos Mullets]

One thing you can say about Ed is that he will learn from this whole episode.

Whats done is done lets concentrate on the COWS!

Yes, let's milk those Cows!

Go Pies!

 

[Bloben]

Was listening to SEN on the way to the local Chinese food shop tonight and heard a talkback caller chatting to Ed about our "success". This guy whether it true or NOT said he believes about 400 will not renew their memberships next year if MM fails and stays on. Now either he is very popular or I really need to get out and network more cause I don't think I even know 40 members of the pies close enough to know they are not going to renew.

But back on topic, I was disappointed with Ed's response to the possibility of losing 400 members of "who gives a rats". . . . . It sounded arrogant and distant.

That doesn't really bother me

In my experience, if you want to influence a large amount of people you will find you always get a small percentage that will try to disagree and argue til the death. You can either give your full effort to win over that minor percentage but then you will find that you are actually disengaging the majority who have no real issue with what you are doing. I find if you forget about the few that want to cause problems and make sure that the vast majority are happy with what is happening then the minority will eventually fold to the masses.

 

[Pie eyed]

Was listening to SEN on the way to the local Chinese food shop tonight and heard a talkback caller chatting to Ed about our "success". This guy whether it true or NOT said he believes about 400 will not renew their memberships next year if MM fails and stays on. Now either he is very popular or I really need to get out and network more cause I don't think I even know 40 members of the pies close enough to know they are not going to renew.

But back on topic, I was disappointed with Ed's response to the possibility of losing 400 members of "who gives a rats". . . . . It sounded arrogant and distant.

I would not give a "talk back radio" caller any more credence than people who walk around claiming the world is about to end.
I reckon Eddie's "distant arrogance" was probably aimed at the caller not the potential 400 non-existent members.
And I am with you...I would be hard pressed to personally know 10 actual members so 400 is a pretty big call unless the caller is a Pizza delivery boy...lol.