McLean

[Demonheart]

I don't give a flying **** about McLean because Gysberts is going to be an absolute beauty. Already been very impressive in the pre-season for both Melbourne and Casey, you watch this kid improve throughout the year

 

[stickman11]

Gysbert looks a better player than clapped out old man McLean.

I'd have him in for round 1

 

[AFL is Number One]

"Brick" McLean was a bum . Slow and sloppy...and a bogun to boot ( as his black armband fiasco proved).

Gysberts will be a better prospect for us.

 

[Bartram_Class]

Let's ease up on the McLean hate.

I for one am still disappointed he chose to leave, once he's over his injuries, you'll be eating your words.

 

[00Stinger]

suckd in noobz. punk'd

Whatever you toss bag!

 

[andrew81186]

we could sure do with mclean right now..

only if he can clean up.. get it?

 

[Sin City]

Let's ease up on the McLean hate.

I for one am still disappointed he chose to leave, once he's over his injuries, you'll be eating your words.

I hope so, I guess what we're hoping for is that with Kreuzer/Warnock/Hampson in the ruck, he can be the in and under guy, do the blocking etc for Judd, Murphy, Gibbs, Simpson, Carrazzo and Walker. Hopefully him and the rucks maturing are the final piece of the puzzle.

 

[The Dr]

I hope so, I guess what we're hoping for is that with Kreuzer/Warnock/Hampson in the ruck, he can be the in and under guy, do the blocking etc for Judd, Murphy, Gibbs, Simpson, Carrazzo and Walker. Hopefully him and the rucks maturing are the final piece of the puzzle.

Only need to find a KPF now...

 

[davey_magik]

Let's ease up on the McLean hate.

I for one am still disappointed he chose to leave, once he's over his injuries, you'll be eating your words.

Well said. Gysberts looks alright so far but anyone who would take him over Brock right now are kidding themselves.

 

[Sin City]

Well said. Gysberts looks alright so far but anyone who would take him over Brock right now are kidding themselves.

That's the real indicator isn't it. It's obvious Brock 2010 is a better player than Gysberts, we won't know who got the better deal util five years down the track.

 

[Sin City]

Only need to find a KPF now...

Excuse me son? I didn't come on here to throw stones at the bottom of the ladder team. We did very well to get a talented young forward like Henderson, we're quite happy with how he's going.

O'hAilpin was doing very well for us last year until he got injured and has been in solid form over the pre-season. As you guys would probably know, managing three goals against Floodelaide is a solid effort.

We're getting back one of our top five players, Jarrad Waite, and the club has announced all along that he will spend a lot more time forward this year. He played there a few times last year and did alright and has also kicked five both of the last two times Fev missed a game.

These guys will be supported by small/medium forwards like Eddie Betts, Chris Yarran, Jeff Garlett and Mitch Robinson. They're going to be fed the ball by a midfield of Kreuzer, Warnock, Judd, Murphy, Gibbs, McLean, Simpson, Walker and Carrazzo.

Don't believe everything you read in the paper.

 

[cannons]

Let's ease up on the McLean hate.

I for one am still disappointed he chose to leave, once he's over his injuries, you'll be eating your words.

I agree that we should ease up on the hate.

Having said that, are you telling me that he still isn't over his injuries?

Maybe Sin City can enlighten us on his current condition, as I haven't really been following that aspect of Brock's game too closely in recent times, but I was under the impression that he was training the house down over summer and looking in tremendous shape.

Well said. Gysberts looks alright so far but anyone who would take him over Brock right now are kidding themselves.

Whilst that is true, it isn't really a relevant point given that Melbourne recruited Gysberts for the future and not for the present, whereas Carlton did the opposite when trading for Mclean.

 

[Sin City]

Maybe Sin City can enlighten us on his current condition, as I haven't really been following that aspect of Brock's game too closely in recent times, but I was under the impression that he was training the house down over summer and looking in tremendous shape.

Yeah he's definitely fit, fit enough to win all out time trials and it's an effort to get over Walker (17.4 beep test) and Judd. It's still a bit confusing, so far it looks like injuries might've cost him his last bit of remaining leg speed, yet when he first got to the club he won a 1200 meter time trial. Either he's having us on, he's still doing very solid training through the NAB series while the others freshened up a bit or he is actually fit enough to sprint for 1200 meters. Guess we'll find out on Thursday.

 

[Demonheart]

Yeah he's definitely fit, fit enough to win all out time trials and it's an effort to get over Walker (17.4 beep test) and Judd. It's still a bit confusing, so far it looks like injuries might've cost him his last bit of remaining leg speed, yet when he first got to the club he won a 1200 meter time trial. Either he's having us on, he's still doing very solid training through the NAB series while the others freshened up a bit or he is actually fit enough to sprint for 1200 meters. Guess we'll find out on Thursday.

A 1.2km time trial doesn't demonstrate pace & speed. McLean has always been able to run all day, but he's always been slow off the mark. Unfortunately the reality seems to be that's he's getting slower of the mark.
For confirmation of this just go to the carlton board and check out the threads discussing him.

Of course the other issue is his disposal by foot. Gysberts, on the other hand, has already demonstrated that his disposal is one of his strengths, as is his clean inside work. To even compare the two in more depth Gysberts is alot quicker over the ground.

 

[Sin City]

A 1.2km time trial doesn't demonstrate pace & speed. McLean has always been able to run all day, but he's always been slow off the mark.

It does a bit, you obviously need more leg speed to win over 1200 meters, which is not far at all for guys that train like they do, than you do to win over 3200, 5k etc.

 

[cannons]

It does a bit, you obviously need more leg speed to win over 1200 meters, which is not far at all for guys that train like they do, than you do to win over 3200, 5k etc.

As Demonheart suggested, I think Brock's acceleration holds him back quite a bit.

You see some players just explode off the mark, whereas Brock appears to almost jog on the spot for a second before moving anywhere.

On the 1200m result, I think he has a pretty good cruising speed, which probably isn't all that far off his sprint speed to be totally honest. As well as this, he isn't required to accelerate hard out of the blocks in order to succeed in that event either.

He should definitely do a job for you, but he is a somewhat limited footballer.

 

[Demonheart]

It does a bit, you obviously need more leg speed to win over 1200 meters, which is not far at all for guys that train like they do, than you do to win over 3200, 5k etc.

No, no it doesn't.

 

[Sin City]

No, no it doesn't.

Of course it does. Competitive 10k runners don't run for as long as footballers do, but you'll always hear them say they don't run 800s, miles etc because they don't have the speed. I'm not sure you know much about running at all sorry Demonheart.

 

[Demonheart]

Of course it does. Competitive 10k runners don't run for as long as footballers do, but you'll always hear them say they don't run 800s, miles etc because they don't have the speed. I'm not sure you know much about running at all sorry Demonheart.

/sigh

When I was younger I ran the 100, 200 & 400 and I'm currently training for next season's triathlon series.

But enough about me, let's talk about you. I'm not sure what planet you live on but the fact that you think that a 1.2km time trail is a good indication of someone's 'off the mark' explosive speed is impressive.
I'm always interested in the thought processes of a deluded mind, do please expand on your reasoning, it's been highly entertaining so far.

 

[Raw1234]

/sigh

When I was younger I ran the 100, 200 & 400 and I'm currently training for next season's triathlon series.

But enough about me, let's talk about you. I'm not sure what planet you live on but the fact that you think that a 1.2km time trail is a good indication of someone's 'off the mark' explosive speed is impressive.
I'm always interested in the thought processes of a deluded mind, do please expand on your reasoning, it's been highly entertaining so far.

Ouch!

Unless Sin City turns out to be an Olympic running coach, I think Demonheart has this one on points late in the 15th round.

 

[Sin City]

/sigh

When I was younger I ran the 100, 200 & 400 and I'm currently training for next season's triathlon series.

That's amazing, I still run them now and have won four open state titles, placed in national events and won 21 professional races. I've also coached sprinters. But that's irrelevant as we're talking about McLean.

But enough about me, let's talk about you. I'm not sure what planet you live on but the fact that you think that a 1.2km time trail is a good indication of someone's 'off the mark' explosive speed is impressive.

Never once did I say anything about off the mark or explosive speed, I said 1200m running requires more leg speed than running 3.2 or 5k. It's not that hard to comprehend. As I said, he was beating super fit guys like Walker and Judd and it requires some sort of speed to do this, unless as cannons pointed out his sprint speed isn't much different to his cruising speed. Which is what I was getting at when I first replied to cannons. Try and read things properly, keep things in context and listen to people who know better than you.

 

[Sin City]

Ouch!

Unless Sin City turns out to be an Olympic running coach, I think Demonheart has this one on points late in the 15th round.

I'm not here for a pissing contest, just came on to discuss McLean and also enjoy talking about running.

 

[Demonheart]

That's amazing, I still run them now and have won four open state titles, placed in national events and won 21 professional races. I've also coached sprinters. But that's irrelevant as we're talking about McLean.

What accreditation do you have as a coach?

Never once did I say anything about off the mark or explosive speed, I said 1200m running requires more leg speed than running 3.2 or 5k. It's not that hard to comprehend. As I said, he was beating super fit guys like Walker and Judd and it requires some sort of speed to do this, unless as cannons pointed out his sprint speed isn't much different to his cruising speed. Which is what I was getting at when I first replied to cannons. Try and read things properly, keep things in context and listen to people who know better than you.

I was referring to his speed, which has always been an issue, even your Carlton buddies on your own forum agree that. As I've said before, a 1.2km time trial is not a good indication of someone's acceleration (or explosive speed or whatever you wish to label it), why you keep comparing a 1.2km time trial to a 5km run I've got no idea, that's between you and the other voices in your head.

Next time you post on another team's forum try to be more civil and refrain from calling people 'son'. You'll probably find a more receptive response.

 

[Spluff]

That's amazing, I still run them now and have won four open state titles, placed in national events and won 21 professional races. I've also coached sprinters. But that's irrelevant as we're talking about McLean.

This smells like bullshit.

Then again, I may just be getting a whiff of what the Blues are cooking.

 

[Andy_Mac]

Of course it does. Competitive 10k runners don't run for as long as footballers do, but you'll always hear them say they don't run 800s, miles etc because they don't have the speed. I'm not sure you know much about running at all sorry Demonheart.

Brock winning a 1200m shows what we already know. Brock has a great tank. But that distance has no bearing on his foot speed. What would have impressed me is if Brock won a 100m sprint.

Also at elite level 10k runners don’t run 1200m because it’s a different event, you need a slightly different base but you still rely on aerobic fitness, explosive speed and an ability to repeat is via the anaerobic system.

The long and the short of it is you are far more likely to see Craig Motteram running 1200m than you are Asafa Powell. Guess which one our mate Brock is?