McPhee

[esquilax]

.... oddly enough he (Taz) was more accurate than Ryan Murphy ....

... and more accurate than Quentin Lynch (FFS!!) who was some sort of "cult hero" at the time. It's only catching up with him now that Worst Coast supporters aren't distracting themselves with our club.

 

[purplefrog]

If you don't like it, don't post, hoss. Go knit.

Given the performance if the club over the past 15 years, members have every right to question team selection.

Good Comment
If we all had the same opinion this would be a boring forum.
That said I don't believe and certainly hope that we are not bagging Mcphee the person or the player but more so questioning the team selection policy of still keeping him in the team despite his constant fumblings.
Bagging Mcphee (or any of our players) during a game I find TOTALLY unacceptable.

 

[prattsta]

Given the performance if the club over the past 15 years, members have every right to question team selection.

Questioning team selection eh, I thought the supporters were saying Boo-urns. I'll listen more closely next time.

 

[Clay Davis]

Questioning team selection eh, I thought the supporters were saying Boo-urns. I'll listen more closely next time.

I think people have been saying a bit more, perhaps you should read closely.

McPhee is another in a long list of mercenaries who have come to this club who need to earn respect before they get it.

 

[malpaso]

Bagging Mcphee (or any of our players) during a game I find TOTALLY unacceptable.

Bagging is fine to a point however when it continues game after game when there are obviously 21 other players involved in the win or loss it gets a bit tiresome.

Valid criticism is relevant and yes McPhee deserves it at times but I don't think dropping him to the WAFL will do him or the team any good at all.

I mean really at 7-2 what are we complaining about?

 

[purplefrog]

Bagging is fine to a point however when it continues game after game when there are obviously 21 other players involved in the win or loss it gets a bit tiresome.

Valid criticism is relevant and yes McPhee deserves it at times but I don't think dropping him to the WAFL will do him or the team any good at all.

I mean really at 7-2 what are we complaining about?

Certainly not complaining but simply wanting to fine tune the team.
Because we are winning does not hide the few weak links we have and we should constantly be striving to get better because if we stay the same other improving teams will pass us and we will be back to where we have been all these years.
I can not see any harm to the team in SOMETIMES making MINIMAL changes and keeping the hunger alive for all the squad knowing that if you do not perform you may be given a short rest and some one else gets a go.

 

[estibador]

McPhee is another in a long list of mercenaries who have come to this club who need to earn respect before they get it.

And herein lies the crux of the issue.

Supporters of this club have just lived through an era where 'mercenaries' were repeatedly lured to the club and seemingly given gold passes regardless of form - and many of these guys gave every impression of being more concerned with their own bank balances than any team success.

Then McPhee parachutes into the middle of this atmosphere of distrust towards big-noted recruits from other clubs, with a 3 year deal in his pocket and talking jive in the media about glory moves into the midfield, and our hackles immediately go up. Particularly when he didn't make the greatest of starts to the season and all the old fears of gold passes resurfaced.

It's probably not fair on him, and he's given every indication of being a hard worker and a team player, but he was always facing an uphill battle to win over a jaded fanbase unless he made every post a winner.

 

[esquilax]

McPhee is another in a long list of mercenaries who have come to this club who need to earn respect before they get it.

There's an interesting (and probably unintended) slight wrapped up in that.

You're effectively suggesting that the near completely replaced coaching and recruiting group of the last 2-3 years is doing the same thing groups from the infamous past have been guilty of.

Form and young player success would suggest otherwise.

In that regard, I have much greater faith that while to an extent McPhee fits the description you suggest, the overall team balance/plan/style is why he's there.

 

[silverscope]

I think It's pretty obvious how we are going to talk about McPhee for the rest of the year.

Has a bad game... DROP him... useless... hack.. spud..

Has a good game... Ahh he's ok.. gee we need his hardness... great tackles...


Fact is if he was going to be dropped it would have happened ages ago. Get used to him playing.

 

[specticackle]

I guess supporters come in all guises. Some like to give our players more than enough chances, others boo and abuse our players at the game and we have every other supporter in between.

Even when most were bagging Tarrant, I still supported him in that I thought he was working hard leading up to the wing and opening up the forward line. He was always one of the hardest workers come game time. Yes, he went through the 'yips' with his kicking but oddly enough he was more accurate than Ryan Murphy, and another couple of forwards in the same period. He copped the verbal abuse at the game from the Freo 'supporters' which I'm sure aided his confidence.

My problem is with the witch-hunts. Someone calls for De Boer's head here on BF and, whether fairly or not, gets ripped into by many of the same people who constantly bag McPhee. Then the match committee omit De Boer before McPhee. The 'arrogance' of armchair critics to think they know better than the people paid by the club to do that job. They will bag McPhee's disposal but forgive Duff's, Broughton's, De Boer's or Rog's. McPhee's tackling and disposal efficiency in the past couple of weeks has easily been in the top ten in the team. McPhee had too many clangers on the weekend, but as someone pointed out did you not see Silvagni's? or Suban's two frees kicks against leading to kicks downfield. Suban's form this year has been no better than McPhee's.

Taz was better once he settled into the team, J Carr's second season was infinitely better than his first. It usually takes a bit of time.

We're seven and two. Life's good. I'm gonna enjoy it without bagging Schammer, Dodd, McPhee or whoever the whipping boy of the moment is. And if you're booing and slagging off our players at the game, you need to grow up and give your membership to someone else. My allegance is with the Freo Football Club, and it's players - not whiteant 'supporters'.

Here Here!! you took the words right out of my mouth! Clearly a supporter that actually goes to the games.

When people only watch games on TV they tend to get led astray by the commentators views, and replays. I still remember watching my first game live and seeing what these 'whipping boy' players do off the ball and it's surprising.

For those of you that do go to the games but boo the our own players you should think about how that makes the rest of the team feel. And do you think booing them will really give them confidence not to fumble? some midfielders are ball runners, some are taggers and some (perhaps McPhee or Solomon) are protectors and tacklers. Dropping McPhee down to the WAFL will not help him learn the game plan or team mates abilities.

Wait until next year before you judge him, if you must.

 

[hoss]

If you don't like it, don't post, hoss. Go knit.

Given the performance if the club over the past 15 years, members have every right to question team selection.

You have a right to question and abuse Freo players, the 'dumbasses', I have the right to abuse you (for dumbass opinions), after all I respect them more than an internet hero like you. What have you done in AFL circles to earn my respect or consideration. Like I said my allegance is to my club, not you. As for 'knitting' go do it yourself. I'm sure it's suited to eagles supporters, much like booing your own... Peter Sumich, Rowan Jones anyone?

I'm not gonna question the club too much as they sit at 7 and 2. Would look a bit stupid really.

 

[Clay Davis]

There's an interesting (and probably unintended) slight wrapped up in that.

You're effectively suggesting that the near completely replaced coaching and recruiting group of the last 2-3 years is doing the same thing groups from the infamous past have been guilty of.

Form and young player success would suggest otherwise.

Getting Mark Johnson doesn't.

 

[Clay Davis]

You have a right to question and abuse Freo players, the 'dumbasses', I have the right to abuse you (for dumbass opinions), after all I respect them more than an internet hero like you. What have you done in AFL circles to earn my respect or consideration. Like I said my allegance is to my club, not you. As for 'knitting' go do it yourself. I'm sure it's suited to eagles supporters, much like booing your own... Peter Sumich, Rowan Jones anyone?

I'm not here for hoss's respect.

I'm here to talk about footy.

I've never booed any Freo players.

I'm not gonna question the club too much as they sit at 7 and 2. Would look a bit stupid really.

I'll question the club until we win a premiership. 7-2 is meaningless.

 

[hoss]

I'll question the club until we win a premiership. 7-2 is meaningless.

I think the 7-2 is significant, if not, at least the way the team is playing is significant. Many people would have had us at 2-7. At 2-7 you can't make finals, and without finals you don't have a chance at a premiership.

Getting finals experience into a young, developing squad is significant, premiership or not.

 

[E Shed]

I'm not here for hoss's respect.

I'm here to talk about footy.

I've never booed any Freo players.

I doubt any of us that are tragic enough to spend our time here are the sort that boo our players. I know I never will.

 

[IAMJUNGLEMUFFIN]

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Mcphee may be a first 18 player but when a first 18 player is out of form making mistakes, fumbling and causing the opposition to either recieve the ball or worse still, get easy goals then he needs to go back and find his touch and let someone else have a crack. Maybe in some ways he may be doing is job BUT CLEARLY HIS SKILL LEVEL IS NOT UP TO SCRATCH. My main point is that no matter who you are if you are out of form, not trying, injured, lacking confidence or whatever, these are the reasons we make changes to our team and this is why there are 40 players on our list. I believe we are fortunately at a point where not everyone of our starting 18 automatically has a walk up start every week. If there is a weak link have a go at improving it.

100% AGREE Ibbotson definetly needs a kick up the backside and he is another who should spend a few weeks in the WAFL. Was very dissappointed in his automatic inclusion a few weeks ago.

I don't know sbout his skill level not being up to scratch. The past two weeks I've noticed he had 100% DE, and this week he was better than the team average. It would be interesting to see his other games/ the season in total. I think people might not be on the money with these assumptions.

 

[IAMJUNGLEMUFFIN]

You only have to look at the criticism directed at Ibbotson last week, compared to the rapid carpet sweeping going on in relation to Hill's game on Saturday. Heck, Suban had another poor game on the weekend and it's not even mentioned.

Suban has just had a month out of footy. It's always going to take a few weeks to get involved in games again. Playing him through the WAFL, especially on a bye, isn't going to help.

I'm not sure what the 'another' comment is supposed to mean. He killed rd 1, was tagged by Essendon (thanks to the fact he destroyed them in rd 21? last year) and the Geelong game he did his job. Missing 3 of the NAB games, and having month of with knee/ankle trouble, is always going to mean your early form isn't blistering.

Guys like Hill and Suban are classy players. After playing all 22 games last year, dropping them to the WAFL is taking astep backwards. They're also very early on in their careers, untill they have played two or three seasons, having average games are going to happen more often than not.

I also think they're fortunate to not have experienced players in the WAFL to force them out of the side. If we drop Hill/Suban, who do we replace them with? Hinkley/Pearce?

 

[IAMJUNGLEMUFFIN]

If you don't like it, don't post, hoss. Go knit.

Given the performance if the club over the past 15 years, members have every right to question team selection.

Questioning is one thing..

McPhee: sihflskdfösdf<älf<dölgydfkjgdfä<dfä#
hesafäoadföädf<öldfgdöysgfykxdfggydfyödfdfgyfjygködgfykjdfgöysdfydfk...... is another

 

[Clay Davis]

McPhee: sihflskdfösdf<älf<dölgydfkjgdfä<dfä#
hesafäoadföädf<öldfgdöysgfykxdfggydfyödfdfgyfjygködgfykjdfgöysdfydfk......

I don't think I have ever said that.

 

[IAMJUNGLEMUFFIN]

I don't think I have ever said that.

The first page of this thread says otherwise. I don't doubt there would be more in the game day threads. And for the record, it wasn't purely directed at you. More at the lynch mob in general.

 

[Boppo]

I think we will get better yet, especially at home. Close to the business end though we might tire and get worked out. McPhee will be important then. Can't wait to see him start holding his marks.

 

[purplefrog]

I don't know sbout his skill level not being up to scratch. The past two weeks I've noticed he had 100% DE, and this week he was better than the team average. It would be interesting to see his other games/ the season in total. I think people might not be on the money with these assumptions.

Must confess have not looked at stats and maybe there are guys who statistically show worse but Mcphee more than any other Freo player has stood out as fumbling and making mistakes that you would not expect at this level. Having said that I do detect a little bit of improvement happening and I for one will be there on Sunday supporting him and hope he gets back to his AA form of a few years ago. BUT I still maintain if his game starts heading back to what it was earlier in the season I believe he should be replaced for a few games.

 

[prattsta]

Suban has just had a month out of footy. It's always going to take a few weeks to get involved in games again. Playing him through the WAFL, especially on a bye, isn't going to help.

So what you're saying is, it's okay to criticise Ibbotson in his first game back from injury, but not Suban? That sounds a lot like the 'whipping boy' mentality I was responding to in the post you quoted.

I'm not sure what the 'another' comment is supposed to mean. He killed rd 1, was tagged by Essendon (thanks to the fact he destroyed them in rd 21? last year) and the Geelong game he did his job. Missing 3 of the NAB games, and having month of with knee/ankle trouble, is always going to mean your early form isn't blistering.

Another
Determiner Pronoun

One more person or thing or an extra amount.

e.g Suban had an ordinary game against Essendon, he also had another poor game against Sydney.

I thought it was pretty straight forward. Anyway, as I said to Lach we can continue this in one of the numerous threads dedicated to Suban's poor game on Saturday. They shouldn't be too hard to find - I found the Ibbotson threads from Friday nights game easy enough - since we're all for fair critical debate on this board...

Guys like Hill and Suban are classy players. After playing all 22 games last year, dropping them to the WAFL is taking astep backwards. They're also very early on in their careers, untill they have played two or three seasons, having average games are going to happen more often than not.

I also think they're fortunate to not have experienced players in the WAFL to force them out of the side. If we drop Hill/Suban, who do we replace them with? Hinkley/Pearce?

I never said anything about dropping Suban or Hill.

Everyone who gets stuck into McPhee, Ibbotson, Hinkley etc claim they don't have an axe to grind and that they're just being critical of the players performances. The problem is, when you overlook 90% of the playing list in your critical assessments, after a while it starts to look like a witch hunt.

 

[Clay Davis]

Where are these Ibbotson critical threads again?

 

[prattsta]

Where are these Ibbotson critical threads again?

Just do a search for threads started by Clay Davis.

Key words- 'Picking Ibbotson was a mistake'

It's some of your best work Clay.