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IT'S become part of football folklore how Fremantle traded away one of the greatest players of the modern era, Andrew McLeod.

The fledgling Dockers, preparing for their first season at AFL level, thought McLeod a little too cocksure. He even wore an earring. And thus the kid from the Northern Territory was given to Adelaide for key-position player Chris Groom.

Knee problems meant Groom played only seven games in one season for Freo. McLeod is in his 14th for Adelaide, with last night's game against Essendon his 293rd appearance. He's won two Norm Smith Medals, three best-and-fairests, and has been an All-Australian five times, last year as captain.

It remains one of football history's most lopsided deals. But the Dockers have maintained a none-too-proud record of giving away players who have gone to much bigger and better things at their subsequent homes. And Paul Medhurst appears just the latest cab off the rank.

There's been Peter Bell. Jeff White. Medhurst's former Collingwood teammate and good friend James Clement, and another Magpie Brodie Holland. North Melbourne premiership player Winston Abraham. Essendon best-and-fairest winner Adam McPhee.

It hasn't always been the Dockers' fault. And at least they got Bell back from the Kangaroos, after having played in two premierships, having let him go initially with only two senior games under his belt.

But the Fremantle culture, even in the Dockers' 14th year in the AFL competition, remains the club's biggest Achilles heel, one that appears to have kicked in again as recently as the past month, and losses to Geelong, Melbourne, the Western Bulldogs and Carlton in which the Dockers let winning positions slip.

There isn't enough gnashing of teeth and heartache when Freo is on the receiving end. No great winning tradition to shame its players into more pride in their performance and fear of failure.

There's a casualness of attitude, say close observers, reflected even on the training track. And ultimately, not the sort of emotional clout to prevent the likes of Medhurst from plying their wares elsewhere, inevitably, it seems, more successfully.

Medhurst, for one, hasn't been surprised by the cultural difference between Fremantle and Collingwood.

"There's just this aura about the place. I know it sounds cliched, but there's just so much history," he says. "I'm not (a) footy history buff, but you just can't help but notice being in there, there's just great footballers everywhere.

"There's always something to come back to even if you're losing and the atmosphere's a bit down. When things are going well, you don't have to notice it as much, but when things start getting shaky . . .

"It's going to be that way (for Fremantle) until they win a premiership, and there's pictures and cups everywhere."

It used to be Footscray that seemed to specialise in giving away players who went on to become stars elsewhere, much to the chagrin of the faithful. Future Brownlow medallists such as Bernie Quinlan and Barry Round. Premiership players such as Richmond's Robbie McGhie.

The Bulldogs back then were a perennial loser. A team whose individual parts never jelled successfully into one imposing machine. And they'd at least had 50-odd years in VFL company.

Fremantle, still struggling for credibility, let alone a culture strong enough to withstand defeat and the defection of would-be backbone players, stands as the modern-day equivalent.

That won't be lost on the Docker faithful who watched McLeod do his stuff for Adelaide last night, and may well see another special from the recently departed Medhurst this afternoon at the MCG.

Rohan Connolly

http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/medhurst-analysis/2008/05/30/1211654314519.html
 
Too true.
But if we keep our first round draft picks, for a fecking change,
we can right our own history.
Do you really believe that the Brizzy Lions got fired up by the old roy boys to win 3 flags in a row, without doubt the greatest achievement in modern day football. I don't think so. Where were all those Collingwood Premierships in those 2 out of 3 years ??
We can put all the premierships of east freo & south freo on a mantlepiece, but it'll be the fire within Rhys Palmer, Ibbo, mayne & whoever we get early next year that will determine the course for the future.
Oh, and we won't have Cameron Schwab !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
People are reading far too much into the dwarfs form.

His best years for us were in 2003 (50 Goals) and 2004 (41 goals). Those were years when we had J-Lo (who was under an injury cloud) and Simmonds (who wasn't suited to the position at all) at full forward, forcing us to use Medders as the go to guy. When Pavlich shifted forward, Medhurst became redundant.

All of a sudden, with Rocca and Cloke struggling, Mick has had to rely on his smalls - and Medhurst suddenly becomes the go-to-guy again. With the added benefit of far better delivery from their midfield.

It's not rocket science, unless you're a lazy Victorian football "journalist".

The point about the "winning culture" is valid, but considering were kneecapped from the start there's ____ all we can do about it except slowly work on building one.
 
History doesn't lay any tackles or kick any goals on the stats sheet, but it is a good point that it may effect the attitude of players, possibly resulting in laying more tackles or kicking more goals!

Despite our ladder position i think we are heading in the right direction by keeping draft picks and playing the younguns.
 

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I don't buy it - particularly when Victorian journalist cut n paste the same old story, as if saying it enough times will make it more true. It's only folklore because journalists keep writing the same carp over again. Yes, we've made a couplel of howlers, but we're not the only ones to do that, but we're the only ones talked about as if it were pathological.

I'm with you BF, Medhurst is no better or worse than when he was with us. He just fits better into Collingwood's team, they needed a small forward - we already had one and we struggled to find a way to make it work with the two of them. Also, as a high profile team that gets fridays nights every other week, Victoria is seeing him play more often in a better structured team, so the perception is, he's left freo and all of a sudden turned into a gun.

I also don't buy the winning culture to draw on, thing. Its a good point, where did Bris get theirs from?
 
Rubbish he has improved a huge amount because he has been able to become fitter more accountable consistent and preety much not get head ____ed by someone who cant coach to say he is only playing well becuase he is our go to guy atm is crap and to say you couldnt fit him in because of farmer is also crap we have 4 small forwards Medhurst and Collingwood are just coached better

When Rocca is back he will move in and out of the forward line like he was doing before Rocca was injured

thats what all our 4 small forwards have been doing all year
 
You obviously didn't watch any Freo games while Medhurst was at his "peak" for Freo. If you did you would understand what kind of a clueless moron you sound like.
 
You obviously didn't watch any Freo games while Medhurst was at his "peak" for Freo. If you did you would understand what kind of a clueless moron you sound like.

Yeah Medhurst was inconsistent at Fremantle
At Collingwood he is Consistent

Medhurst was a selfish go to lead up forward/goal sneak at freo

Medhurst at Collingwood sets up and makes alot of play for Collingwood while still kicking his goals but now he is getting more possessions tackling and using forward pressure and also moving up the ground when Rocca is in

They sound like Different players to me
 
Medders was consistant at Collingwood in 2007. Consistantly dogshit.

Medders has been better coached in some aspects, but he still the same old medders. He is a confidence player, and he has made a career out of having "streaks" of good form. By the end of the season his stats will look pretty similiar to his stats in 2004. But i have no doubt he'll end up AA because he plays for Collingwood now, not Freo.
 
Medders was consistant at Collingwood in 2007. Consistantly dogshit.

Medders has been better coached in some aspects, but he still the same old medders. He is a confidence player, and he has made a career out of having "streaks" of good form. By the end of the season his stats will look pretty similiar to his stats in 2004. But i have no doubt he'll end up AA because he plays for Collingwood now, not Freo.

You must not watched Collingwood games if he isnt kicking goals now he is still getting the ball and setting up play

If he wasnt getting goals then he wasnt getting the ball at Freo you wouldnt see from him and preety much play a man down
 
You clearly never watched Medders when he was playing at freo. End of story.

____ off back to your own board where you can backslap and talk about how medders was the trade of the century and how you guys have taken his game to another level. Dont' let the facts get in the way of some good mutual admiration.
 
Yeah Medhurst was inconsistent at Fremantle
At Collingwood he is Consistent

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This is another, probably bigger furfy flying around. He's been just as inconsistent at Collingwood as he was at his better years at Freo. He's hit a bit of a purple patch lately, but he had that at the Dockers too. No doubt he's found his place there and I'm happy for him, but he wasn't a struggling nobody here until the later stages when he was, by his own admission, coached out of his preferred game style and body type, lost confidence and was out of form.

He looks better because its Collingwood - big stage, Melbourne, etc.

But more than that, he's playing for team that are playing well as a team. All the solid players look like champs when that happens. Look how good some of our mid-tear players looked when we had that run in 2006. Compare Schammer, Peake, Johno and such in the Eagles game and most of the rest of the season. The great players are great all the time (eg. Pav), the good to avg players will come good as the team comes good, this is doubly so for any player that plays as a fwd.
 
Good then he can stay there with you and the rest of your rustbucket mates.
We will wallow in self pity in the beautiful state of WA.
I know where I'd rather be !! And it aint with you !!!
 

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he has conveniently padded his stats with some junk time possesions and goals in the last few weeks.


He was also much better for us at home than away. 75% percent of his output was in the 11 home games. I would say it does help being at the pies playing at home 18 games per year.


He is absolutly no better than he was in 03 and 04. He now just has his pecker up and confidence.

Good on him, he was much loved here and it seems they love him too.
 
While I can agree with some of his points, Rohan has never liked Freo.

And I'm sick and tired of including Jeff White in players we traded. We had no choice. He was missing his mum. He wanted to go home, Melbourne had us over a barrel as they had the 1st pick in the PSD. It's the same with any Victorian who really wants to go home, and doesn't care where it is. Lets say that Melbourne and Essendon finish last and second last respectivley. If Warnock and Mundy really want to leave, how the hell are we supposed to stop them from nominating for the PSD and going for nothing? What we try and do to prevent losing them for nothing is to do a trade of some kind. Then if Warnock subsequently has a great season (as he may do, if he pulls his finger out, and ruckmen always mature later) we'll get bagged again for a dud trade, even though we didn't have an option.

Just like Troy Simmonds; he wanted to go, and was offered a five year contract at Richmond, who would've got him for nothing through the PSD.
We get bagged for this yet he spent the entire 2007 season out with an injury. Can you imagine the criticsm had we kept him at Freo on a 5 year deal?

Brodie Holland is an agressive little b*stard with limited skills and a poor disciplinary record. Adam McPhee asked to be traded back to Victoria and after one good season with Essendon has been very average since.
 
To confirm that BEEG has no idea what he's talking about, look at Headland. How good did he look running around with the best midfielders the game had seen in a generation?

Look how he flashes in and out for us now. He simply doesn't have the cattle around him to get done what he does best, and he's not a matchwinner able to do it for himself.

What we're seeing with Medders is the very reverse of that. He has no got better, but he gets to do his thing working with a more efficient and differently structed midfield. The Vics wre used to seeing him play crap but he often did away from Subi. We even stopped taking him to Melbourne for that reason. Plus, as I said before, all the postive baggage that goes with playing for Collingwood creates a very different perception of him.

Good luck to him, I always like watching him play. But if he came back to us, we'd see nothing would have changed.
 
He just fits better into Collingwood's team, they needed a small forward - we already had one and we struggled to find a way to make it work with the two of them.

Freo fans keep bringing this up, yet it fails to make sense.
You an play more than one small forward you realise, or is Jeff that much of a hog he refuses to work with other small players.

Collingwood have four small forwards, Geelong won a premiership last year using a heap of small forwards, yet Freo can't work with two?
 

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Freo fans keep bringing this up, yet it fails to make sense.
You an play more than one small forward you realise, or is Jeff that much of a hog he refuses to work with other small players.

Collingwood have four small forwards, Geelong won a premiership last year using a heap of small forwards, yet Freo can't work with two?
He never really played as a true small forward for us, nor in the WAFL where he made his name.

And he couldn't really adapt to not being the number 1 forward when Pav and others arrived forward.
 
He never really played as a true small forward for us, nor in the WAFL where he made his name.

And he couldn't really adapt to not being the number 1 forward when Pav and others arrived forward.


Ok let me get this straight I have heard some Freo Supporters saying that you couldnt have 2 SMALL forwards in the 1 team so you got rid of Medders

Ok i have heard that he could only play his best footy as the main go to man

Ok he is playing the same footy at Collingwood just looks better because his at a Vic Club

But he has proved at Collingwood he can play Both Roles Lead up and Small forward and can also move up the ground in patches he has proved that he is more Consistent at Collingwood and no longer is a selfish footballer and he has proved he can work with Cloke and Rocca and also work with Davis, Didak, Thomas,

you blokes dont have a clue
 
Ok let me get this straight I have heard some Freo Supporters saying that you couldnt have 2 SMALL forwards in the 1 team so you got rid of Medders

Ok i have heard that he could only play his best footy as the main go to man

Ok he is playing the same footy at Collingwood just looks better because his at a Vic Club

But he has proved at Collingwood he can play Both Roles Lead up and Small forward and can also move up the ground in patches he has proved that he is more Consistent at Collingwood and no longer is a selfish footballer and he has proved he can work with Cloke and Rocca and also work with Davis, Didak, Thomas,

you blokes dont have a clue

Ok. Ok. Ok. ____ off. Has anyone seen my clue?
 
Ok let me get this straight I have heard some Freo Supporters saying that you couldnt have 2 SMALL forwards in the 1 team so you got rid of Medders

Ok i have heard that he could only play his best footy as the main go to man

Ok he is playing the same footy at Collingwood just looks better because his at a Vic Club

But he has proved at Collingwood he can play Both Roles Lead up and Small forward and can also move up the ground in patches he has proved that he is more Consistent at Collingwood and no longer is a selfish footballer and he has proved he can work with Cloke and Rocca and also work with Davis, Didak, Thomas,

you blokes dont have a clue
That's what they tried with him here. And he failed horribly. That covers the first two arguments.

His form is absolutely nowhere near his 03-04 form. That covers the third.

Got a ____ing clue yet? It's not that hard is it? Or did you keep your brains at one stage in your teeth? Do you take them out at any stage these days?
 
That's what they tried with him here. And he failed horribly. That covers the first two arguments.

His form is absolutely nowhere near his 03-04 form. That covers the third.

Got a ____ing clue yet? It's not that hard is it? Or did you keep your brains at one stage in your teeth? Do you take them out at any stage these days?

Nah still dont have a clue find it funny that a bloke in a top 4 side can be a vital part of a team but according to his old clubs supporters hasnt improved

really interesting talking to freo supporters
 

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