Melbourne pulls out of gaming/pokies

General Giant

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Melbourne must sleep well at night knowing that when they cease owning the licence for these pokie machines that society will be better off as these machines wont be in existence........oh wait
Thats like saying you may as well sell drugs to kids because if we dont do it someone else will.

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Belnakor

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We could always get a fairer distribution of financial support from the AFL. Perhaps we could even get a cut that matches the Tigers (with or without the FTF)
unfortunately the AFL system a bit like the GST. Well run clubs like Collingwood, Essendon, Hawthorn and Richmond + the WA clubs essentially are handing money back to other, less well run clubs because they aren't a basket case.
 

Hawkk

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Because taking advantage and profiting from peoples addiction to pokies is a shit thing to do and I'm glad the club is getting out of it.
But isn’t that what Melbourne is doing anyway by selling the machines? If it was a moral stance wouldn’t they just hold the machines and not use them? I mean they could do that anyway until their licence expires?
 

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Dez!

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But isn’t that what Melbourne is doing anyway by selling the machines? If it was a moral stance wouldn’t they just hold the machines and not use them? I mean they could do that anyway until their licence expires?
I'm not entirely sure on how the whole deal works (someone correct me if I'm wrong) but I would assume that the club owns certain machines and simply couldn't stop people from using them.
 

FRUMPY

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So?

Someone will still sell them.

Hopefully all clubs get rid of them. A cancer on the poor comunities.

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But that's the reason no clubs are sponsored by cigarette companies. But thinking about it, if pubs that are owned by clubs sell cigarettes they are making a profit. Maybe clubs should sell all the pubs.
 

General Giant

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But that's the reason no clubs are sponsored by cigarette companies. But thinking about it, if pubs that are owned by clubs sell cigarettes they are making a profit. Maybe clubs should sell all the pubs.
Thought about it.

Glad my club is looking into alternative ideas other than destroying families in poor areas and Melbourne should be commended for doing the same.


The fact that Hawthorn call themselves the family club(like Canterbury up here) yet make an absolute fortune off destroying families in poor areas from pokies is the biggest load of garbage ive seen.


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The writing is on the wall for the pokies industry.

Any reasonable board of a football club or any other organisation (AHA, Woolies/Coles whichever one owns lots of them) would be prepared for pokies to vanish fairly swiftly.

In some cases, it's better to just get out early and avoid all the fuss.

It's a big risk to the bottom line for clubs like Essendon, Carlton and Hawthorn, a risk not worth taking any longer.

The AFL has the power to ban clubs from pokies revenue too, since they own the AFL licences. That might occur before the state Govts place greater restrictions on revenue or bans it themselves.
 

FRUMPY

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The writing is on the wall for the pokies industry.

Any reasonable board of a football club or any other organisation (AHA, Woolies/Coles whichever one owns lots of them) would be prepared for pokies to vanish fairly swiftly.

In some cases, it's better to just get out early and avoid all the fuss.

It's a big risk to the bottom line for clubs like Essendon, Carlton and Hawthorn, a risk not worth taking any longer.

The AFL has the power to ban clubs from pokies revenue too, since they own the AFL licences. That might occur before the state Govts place greater restrictions on revenue or bans it themselves.
Best to make hay while the sun shines then
 

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They got about $16 million from the AFL last year, the Dees. Be interesting to see if that goes up again this year.
 

Kwality

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Panic station at the Hawks.

It won't be long until they will need to liquidate almost all of their $47m in net assets and go cap in hand to the AFL lol.

I guess another $10m donation won't go astray either...
Stop paying its own way e.g Dingley.

lets hear a cast iron guarantee from the Demons that the AFL is not funding this piece of social engineering.
 

Kwality

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But isn’t that what Melbourne is doing anyway by selling the machines? If it was a moral stance wouldn’t they just hold the machines and not use them? I mean they could do that anyway until their licence expires?
A venue operator licence enables an entity to operate gaming machines in Victoria. Venue operator licences are granted a licence for up to 10 years. Venue operators must apply to renew approval before the expiry date to continue their licence.

Note: On 20 December 2017 certain changes to the Gambling Regulation Act 2003 came into effect. The VCGLR’s web content is currently being updated to reflect these changes and the Technical Standards for gambling industry page has further information.

For licences that were current at 24 June 2009, the length of the licence period was automatically increased from five years to 10 years.

All subsequent applications for a new licence will be granted a 10-year licence from the date of approval.
http://www.vcglr.vic.gov.au/gambling/gaming-venue-operator
 

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Don't mind this at all but does MFC and the other clubs have a suitable plan for getting money into the club other than an AFL grant?

Cant take your hand out of one pie and place it in another.
 

LeverPuller

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Don't mind this at all but does MFC and the other clubs have a suitable plan for getting money into the club other than an AFL grant?

Cant take your hand out of one pie and place it in another.
For the record, from the presser:

Q: How much pressure was there on the club from the AFL?
A: No pressure at all, club led move. No financial assistance from the AFL.

Q: What's the gap?
A: About 10% growth required from current books to make up from lost revenue.

Q: Where else do you see the make-up revenue coming from?
A: Matchday attendances up - 5th most in comp even with interstate games. Improved returns off MCG/Etihad contracts. Investment of capital from sale of venues. Impact and commercialisation of new facilities. Multiplier effect of different events.

Seems that they have a plan.
 

Great8

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Melbourne must sleep well at night knowing that when they cease owning the licence for these pokie machines that society will be better off as these machines wont be in existence........oh wait
Exactly. Would rather pokies in the hands of football clubs rather than Coles or Woolies
 

Great8

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For the record, from the presser:

Q: How much pressure was there on the club from the AFL?
A: No pressure at all, club led move. No financial assistance from the AFL.

Q: What's the gap?
A: About 10% growth required from current books to make up from lost revenue.

Q: Where else do you see the make-up revenue coming from?
A: Matchday attendances up - 5th most in comp even with interstate games. Improved returns off MCG/Etihad contracts. Investment of capital from sale of venues. Impact and commercialisation of new facilities. Multiplier effect of different events.

Seems that they have a plan.
Maybe they should pay their debt off first
 

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Club has reduced its debt by $2.6mil since 2013 and the club has been operating in the black for the last three years (2015-17). The club is both paying its debt off while shifting its financials.
Will be interesting to see if we can keep operating in the black once the $3-$4m annual pokies profit is removed.
 

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