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Re: Maxwell's shirt front breaks Eagles jaw

he gets 3 weeks for a hip and shoulder

sentata gets 4 weeks for 2 punches and a kick

this point system is definatly a keeper
 
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If Maxwell gets rubbed out for that he's unlucky.
I'd be very annoyed if I was a Collingwood supporter.
 

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holy crap, really? 3 weeks! it was a player from my team that was hit and i thought it was fine

just unlucky that his jaw was broken, really.

christ, we really are heading for netball arent we.
 
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Nick Maxwell, Collingwood, has been charged with a Level Three engaging in rough conduct offence against Patrick McGinnity, West Coast, during the third quarter of the round one NAB Cup match between Collingwood and West Coast, played at Subiaco on Saturday February 7, 2009.
In summary, his existing poor record means he can accept a three-match sanction with an early plea.

The incident was assessed as negligent conduct (one point), high impact (three points) and high contact (two points).

This is a total of six activation points, resuling in a classification of a Level Three offence, drawing 325 demerit points and a three-match sanction. He has an existing bad record of one match suspended within the last three years, increasing the penalty by 10 per cent to 357.50 points. He also has 82.81 points carried over from within the last 12 months, increasing the penalty to 440.31 points and a four-match sanction. An early plea reduces the penalty by 10 per cent to 330.23 points and a three-match sanction.

Please note that under the rules of the Match Review system, as the offence occurred in the NAB Cup, any penalty may be served in part or in full while Collingwood remains in competition for the NAB Cup.


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Re: Maxwell's shirt front breaks Eagles jaw

Sorry for posting again but I have a major problem with this result.

Correct me if I'm wrong but this happened right in front of an umpire and the call was play on.

How can something that isnt even a free kick result in a player getting suspended? Surely for a report to be made the player first needs to do something that is infringing the rules?
 
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Timmy from Thomastown said:
The rule sucks and the points system sucks.

Apart from that they were spot on. Its not the tribunal I have an issue with, its the AFL.
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Agree the rule sux but its been in place for a few years so players the should have adjusted by now.

As for the point system I like it. It gives consistency, the only thing I dont like is the reckless/negligent component. I'd like it to be accidental (0 points) reckless (1 point) and intentional (2 points).

but hey if I can spend 2 minitues going through the booklet and get it 100% correct it can't be all that bad.
 
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Hawk-in-syd said:
As for the point system I like it. It gives consistency, the only thing I dont like is the reckless/negligent component. I'd like it to be accidental (0 points) reckless (1 point) and intentional (2 points).
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This is exactly my problem. I don't see how "negligent" fits the description here.

Accidental, High, High would make a lot more sense to me.
 
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mdc said:
This is exactly my problem. I don't see how "negligent" fits the description here.

Accidental, High, High would make a lot more sense to me.
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Unfortunatly because of kosi the accidental option was removed and the default is negligent.

a player shall engage in rough conduct, which in the
circumstances is unreasonable, where in bumping an opponent
he causes forceful contact to be made to an opponent’s head
or neck. Unless intentional or reckless, such conduct shall be
deemed to be negligent unless the player did not have a realistic
alternative to:
(a) contest the ball;
(b) tackle; or
(c) shepherd in a manner which was reasonable in the​
circumstances.
 

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JeffDunne said:
If you look at the vision, it's after he disposed of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsf-qADsO3E

If they are consistent with others - he should go for that.
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Ran past the ball and collected a player high who was playing the ball.

Not a shepherd.

Maxwell should have gone in low and hard to win the ball (see Jordan Russell's legal bump on Stewart at AAMI last year that knocked the Power player out) and not deviated off his line.

Maxwell would have been cleared if he had made contact by playing the ball .

Deserved to front the MRP and at least be examined.

The MRP obviously took into account Maxwell's recent history with this sort of contact.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASSI6EVZSJY

Loser.

Fair penalty for Maxwell.

Pies fans can't and shouldn't complain.

Maxwell can serve part of his suspension in the pre-season competition and be back in time for round three at the latest.

McGinnity will be out for a lot longer than that.

Magpies' supporters would be baying for blood if Pendlebury had been on the receiving end of that bump...
 
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yeahmate said:
Sorry for posting again but I have a major problem with this result.

Correct me if I'm wrong but this happened right in front of an umpire and the call was play on.

How can something that isnt even a free kick result in a player getting suspended? Surely for a report to be made the player first needs to do something that is infringing the rules?[/quote]

The umpire had a restricted view, from another post the ump saw the bump from behind Maxwell and was unable to determine if it was high contact or just shoulder on shoulder / upper chest.

Or the umpire stuffed up, ever seen or heard that before?:D

So where is the problem? The incident was marginally high, that is what the slow motion replay's and other evidence has determined. McGinnity ended up with a broken jaw. It's not hard to join these dots is it?
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Obeanie1 said:
The umpire had a restricted view, from another post the ump saw the bump from behind Maxwell and was unable to determine if it was high contact or just shoulder on shoulder / upper chest.

Or the umpire stuffed up, ever seen or heard that before?:D

So where is the problem? The incident was marginally high, that is what the slow motion replay's and other evidence has determined. McGinnity ended up with a broken jaw. It's not hard to join these dots is it?
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I think the main difference you and I have is you think the contact was high worthy of a free kick, where I think it was a fair bump.

If the umpire stuffed up and in fact it should have been a free kick then I accept it could be reportable. But from my view of it, including the slow mo replay, it didnt look even worthy of a free kick, just a damn good hip and shoulder. If its not worthy of a free kick then no way should anyone get reported for it even if an injury does result.
 

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yeahmate said:
I think the main difference you and I have is you think the contact was high worthy of a free kick, where I think it was a fair bump.

If the umpire stuffed up and in fact it should have been a free kick then I accept it could be reportable. But from my view of it, including the slow mo replay, it didnt look even worthy of a free kick, just a damn good hip and shoulder. If its not worthy of a free kick then no way should anyone get reported for it even if an injury does result.
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Mate how can you claim it was a 'fair bump'? Live it looked good and I loved it, but when its looked back over he technically stuffed up and couldve severely injured him by collecting his head... with intent only for the bump all he has to ensure is that he excecutes it well - below the shoulders of the other player... which he didnt.

Going off youtube is dodgy... I posted this on the Collingwood board to help them out seeing why it wasnt a 'fair bump' - he didnt get low enough:

Here is a high res pic showing how it was negligent coz he didnt get his contact areas low enough... from that point on the contact only continues upward as Maxwell is lifting upwards off his back foot - hit him square on the jaw just below ear level

maxwellhighbump2ay7.jpg

(BF auto resizes it - but if you right click and do save as or cut and paste it will open it on your PC at 1950 x 1080 or whatever I did it at)
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And before anyone follows the same silly argument as on the Pies board about the lines being wrong - actually open the higher res version of it first... ive actually drawn them conservatively into the black of his jumper on the other side of his neck, not above the jumper as i could have, in order to allow for sloping. The angle of his shoulders is heavily upward to the left, bumping on the rise into McGinnity.
 
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Brazen said:
Mate how can you claim it was a 'fair bump'? Live it looked good and I loved it, but when its looked back over he technically stuffed up and couldve severely injured him by collecting his head... with intent only for the bump all he has to ensure is that he excecutes it well - below the shoulders of the other player... which he didnt.

Going off youtube is dodgy... I posted this on the Collingwood board to help them out seeing why it wasnt a 'fair bump' - he didnt get low enough:
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Where is the law that says you have to be a certain height to deliver a bump?

Your photograph is proof both players were the same height and the damage was caused by an accidental head clash and no player intends to make head to head contact. If the shoulder or hip had made contact with McGinnity's head then there would be no complaints but this wasn't the case.

It was a fair bump with an accidental head clash nothing more nothing less, all the rest is semantics.
 
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JohnD said:
3 with a plea
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You're all over these Collingwood themed threads on the main board John, I'll admit I'm obsessed with Collingwood but whats your excuse? Why don't you buy a membership, it's what the rest of us do.
 
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ChipDouglas said:
Where is the law that says you have to be a certain height to deliver a bump?
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There's not. You're quite right.

It was a fair bump with an accidental head clash nothing more nothing less, all the rest is semantics.
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Maxwell collected him with a shoulder to the face. If there had have been a headclash, you might have a point and Maxwell a defence ... but there wasn't, so you don't and neither does he.
 
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ChipDouglas said:
Where is the law that says you have to be a certain height to deliver a bump?

Your photograph is proof both players were the same height and the damage was caused by an accidental head clash and no player intends to make head to head contact. If the shoulder or hip had made contact with McGinnity's head then there would be no complaints but this wasn't the case.

It was a fair bump with an accidental head clash nothing more nothing less, all the rest is semantics.
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Lol headclash - give up on it mate - heres another angle for ya showing shoulder point of contact with the chin, and McGinnity's shoulders lower - squared off a little more than halfway up Maxwell's number 5... see the daylight between their heads? lol

maxwellbumpalternateangnf4.jpg


(again copy and paste it coz BF shrinks it auto)

And as for 'where is the law' for a certain height - lol are u serious - someone quoted it a few posts back... head height is the law... so shoulders and below is the 'law' for what height to make contact in a bump
 
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