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MFC Training Wednesday 8th Dec

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hi guys here is a detail report from Bhima on Demonology about the boys training. All credit goes to him.

Had a good look at some of our new draftees and that will be the focus of the report, however I will say that nearly all the boys were out there training today and it was a very competitive hit-out. Also, the guys who are new to the team all looked a bit lost and unfit which made for an interesting session. It appeared that the pecking order was being established throughout the session and I felt for a few guys who are obvious both young and lacking fitness when they had to take on the likes of Frawley and Moloney.

Dan Nicholson: Really liked what I saw. He looks super fit, quick and has the ability to keep running hard during drills. He was training with the defenders for a good part of the session and managed to hold is own against the more seasoned players, successfully spoiling a Brad Green lead and getting some applause from the boys. He seems to have fitted in very well and it might be the case that he is similar to R Bail. Taken late in the draft but doesn't mind the physical aspects of the game and athletically is ready to go. His kicking for me is the only concern. He is a left footer but his action is a little like Mattner from the Swans, with a slightly awkward ball drop. I don't think it is a major issue and with consistent practice he should be okay. His hands are quick and when the ball is on the ground he doesn't fumble. He could perhaps one day replace Bartram? Either way, he looks like an excellent rookie choice and seems popular with the players.

Cameron Johnston: This bloke is very keen on the track, constantly licking the palms of his hands and rubbing then together a la Cam Bruce. His marking looks pretty good, one grab and very clean most of the time. His kicking action is fine, however his short kicking needs work. He was kicking to Bennell, and where Bennell's kicks were flat and penetrating, CJ's kicks were more floaters in the Robert Harvey manner. During drills he kicked three clangers in a row and you could tell he was pretty nervous. It is interesting that in his bio on the MFC website his decision making is considered a weapon, however his video footage doesn't really provide any evidence of this (ie often bombing long). Today in a simulated match where the players had to play on as soon as possible, he was held up, unable to find a target. J Frawley gave him a bit of a serve and I'd say the decision making might not be perfect. As keen as he is, he might be a longer term project (which is not a surprise given where he was taken in the draft). He can handball bloody well, easy handpassing over twenty meters. Didn't get an opportunity to see his long kicking. Overall, another bloke who might just make it with a few years in the system under his belt, very quick and athletic also.

Jeremy Howe: Possibly this guy was the most impressive of all the new guys on the track. He just appears to be quietly confident in his ability, and trains as if he's been in the squad for a couple of years, not a couple of weeks. He took a couple of impressive contested grabs. His kicking on the right and left foot looked good. I was most impressed with how clean and fast his hands were. They were running drills were a marking forward would deliberately punch an incoming kick to a player crumbing at his feet. Howe was able to crumb the ball easily in one grab and dish off to a receiving player with a left hand handball in the blink of an eye. He just didn't seem to have any weaknesses but also looked like he fitted right in. I doubt he is 192cm as been stated around the place. Looks more like he's just shorter than LJ - but not KP height. I'm not sure where his position will be but he looks very talented and 33 in the national draft does not seem too high, rather it seems more surprising that he hasn't already been drafted.

Tom McDonald: Tom is very mobile and athletic for his height (194cm). He moves well on the lead and is a good mark above his head. His kicking is a little average but not terrible, just doesn't guide the ball fully to boot with his right hand, rather drops it and thus some of his kicks miss the target. He clearly will need a year or two to bulk up to AFL level and needs to improve his handpassing and skills below his knees. That being said I was surprised with how well he moves and although he made some mistakes, he wasn't totally overawed and just needs to develop some confidence. A good size and certainly seems like a utility who can have a crack up forward, in the ruck and down back...looks like we'll have to wait and see.

Lucas Cook: On the track he looks similar to Jobe Watson, but fortunately he is a beautiful kick of the football. Cook has a bit of a 'slicing' kick, a bit like davey or slyvia, where he can kick accurately and with good penetration over short distances. His is very skinny and looked at times not to know where to run. Some of the senior players were telling him were to run and it would be hard not to feel the pressure. The intensity of the session seemed very different to previous sessions in that regard, with many of the senior players seeming quite happy to apply pressure on the young blokes. Unfortunately Cook left the field half-way through the session, and although I was 100 meters away, he seemed pretty distressed and could have been in tears. He was sitting down and had his head in his hands and a few trainers were nearby. Col Sylvia had a brief chat and rubbed his hair as if to say 'keep your chin up'. Dunno what happened but it didn't look great, hoping it's nothing.

Troy Davis: Liked what I saw. He appears to have the height to play a key position (although listed 192cm), as he easily looked as tall as Frawley and Rivers. Davis seems a defender who is able to niggle players with ease (an excellent trait for a defender). At one point during training the players were involved in a full match simulation and he put a spoil on Brent Moloney, the drills however required players only to attempt spoiling and tackling and not fully complete them in order for play to be continuous. When he knocked the ball out of Moloney's hands he also made small contact with Beamer's head and shoulders. Beamer immediately turned around and had a huge verbal crack at Davis. Davis tried to apologise but Moloney would have nothing of it, and then spat in Davis direction as he ran off, clearly furious. I was 10 meters away and found Moloney's reproach of this younger player to be fascinating. I suppose it depends on leadership style but it was a moment for me where I wasn't sure if Beamer would be an ideal captain. He could well have had a go and then shook Davis hand and encouraged him, but I found Moloney's reaction amazing and he was clearly putting Davis in his place as a new member of the squad. Davis kept training but it was a tough introduction. He later lost his man several times during drills in which two defenders would take on two forwards. The defenders would have to communicate and switch forwards while the forwards would set blocks to create a loose man. A few times he lost his man and the forward received an easy pass. Frawley spent some time showing him a few things as did B Royal. He has some okay pace but looks like he needs a full pre-season to get his fitness to AFL level.

Robert Campbell: Campbell looked totally relaxed on the track. He was running and kicking well, looks very fit and should be ready to go round 1 if we need him. The ruck stocks suddenly look very healthy with Spencer, Jamar, Gawn, Fitzy and Martin all completing ruck drills and all looking very fit. It was good to see Max Gawn completing more drills with the main group, as most players are coming off their modified training. Campbell was very vocal and happy to give directions to the other rucks, and I felt a bit sorry for the Dees ruck coach (Meeson?), as it almost seemed as if Campbell was directing proceedings and making the Ruck coach's job redudant. Campbell's experience could be priceless for the Dees and I think he is a terrific choice by Prendergast.

Otherwise, the full squad was out their training and it was a two hour session. J Gysberts was the only player I didn't see out there. Several players were training away from the main group, but of those only Rohan Bail did not seem to be running freely. Jack Watts was back in full training, although when he makes mistakes they are always comical, and I think there are a few more bloopers for the highlights reel to come for young Jack. He was kicking beautifully on goal and took a few nice grabs, still needs time. J Trengove, who I've a had a few concerns about, was moving really well and looked quicker, kicking well and once again looking every bit a #2 draft pick. He stands out in traffic, wants the ball when the pressure lifts and regularly hits targets: Gun. Speaking of Guns, Jack Grimes was dominant today, running really hard and kicking really well. Jamie Bennell is also flying and looking forward to what he can show in 2011.

There was a fair bit of niggle in the session today, boys just settling in as a new squad, but the aggro in the air was new and not a bad thing...it will sort the men from the boys pretty quickly as the competition gets hotter for the first 21 positions.

Cheers.

All thanks to Bhima for a great report
 
Fantastic report. What a great insight into training.

Very interesting how 'intense' some of the 'teachings' technics were carried out
but then again you always here about the ol' tough love amongst footy teams.

Thanks for putting this up for us philthy. Don't hesitate to post more reports like this from 'olgy.
 
Interesting to note that Sylvia was the one to go over to Cook and provide him with some encouraging words. He really does have captain written all over him, but as I've said elsewhere, his previous transgressions will probably prevent him from getting the job.

On the Moloney incident, I don't know whether they were instructed to give the new guys a hard time or make them more accountable for their efforts, but that sounds a little bit pathetic to me. I have no issue with senior players having a go at the younger guys if they make a mistake, but it sounds as if Beamer just lost it after receiving some minor contact. For someone who obviously likes to view himself as a hardman, it seems a little bit precious from my perspective.

It is good to know that all of the young guys are out on the track, though, and it sounds as if Campbell's presence and experience will be beneficial for out young ruckmen, even if he doesn't manage too many games for the club.
 

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On the Moloney incident, I don't know whether they were instructed to give the new guys a hard time or make them more accountable for their efforts, but that sounds a little bit pathetic to me. I have no issue with senior players having a go at the younger guys if they make a mistake, but it sounds as if Beamer just lost it after receiving some minor contact. For someone who obviously likes to view himself as a hardman, it seems a little bit precious from my perspective.
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I'm with out on this, I hope he's not our next captain either. IMO I don't think he is the right person for the job as he doesn't present well in front of the media and seems a little too cocky. After seeing his interview on Footy Classified earlier in the year it was clear in my mind that he wouldn't be the right person for the job.
 
On the Moloney incident, I don't know whether they were instructed to give the new guys a hard time or make them more accountable for their efforts, but that sounds a little bit pathetic to me. I have no issue with senior players having a go at the younger guys if they make a mistake, but it sounds as if Beamer just lost it after receiving some minor contact. For someone who obviously likes to view himself as a hardman, it seems a little bit precious from my perspective.

I wouldn't read too much into it but its amazing how such seemingly small things can sometimes give you a deeper insight into the type of person they are. It would have been a lot better on his part to show a little leadership & be the mature one though.

All the kid would have been trying to do is impress his teammates & the coaches & like anyone worth their salt, win a spot in the team (I know thats what the hell I want from every MFC player). For me the better option would be to remind him not to be too keen in non contact drills but give him a pat on the back for his obvious desire & effort
 
Moloney was just having a little roid rage... have you seen the bloke lately?
 
You have the rough the new blokes up so when Sydney do it round 1 you know they won't crack. Sounds like a few of the young blokes were struggling with it but I am sure they will grow more confident for it.

It wouldn't surprise me now if Sylvia was already captain just waiting for it to be named.
 
Beamer just showing some aggro, new blokes sometimes will cop a bit from the rest of the guys at the start.
 
Col Sylvia should be our captain anyway, unless they think Grimes
is ready - as he clearly stands out above others on the field as captain
material.

I think Sylvia would be a perfect choice outside of Grimes, who is still
probably a bit young for the role.

Col also speaks very well in the media, thesedays I think its an important
role to be able to do that - aswell as market the club, Sylvia definately
puts himself in the mix, probably along with Brad Green.

Moloney strikes me as a bit intimidating for the young kids and Id worry
that they would feel that he was unapproachable.

Davey couldnt captain, because he is too undicilplined on the field,
plus already has a lot on his plate as our indigenous leader.

On the training, glad to hear that Jack Watts is back training well,
aswell as Trengove.

Im not too concerned about Lucas Cook, he is going to take time,
so if he is injured - throw him in the Gym.
So long as its not a knee or anything major - which Id assume we'd
know by now.

Thanks for the guy who done the report, more of us need to pull our
weight in this area, ill be hoping to get down to Casey myself soon.
 
I wouldn't read too much into the Beamer thing. We don't know the full story. The OP did state that the drill was only simulated (i.e. mock pressure) so Beamer probably wasn't expecting the contact to the head. Some people can react differently when they cop a knock to the head (even though the OP said it was "small contact"). Beamer obviously wasn't happy but we have always known that he is on the aggressive side. Anyway, lets not crucify him for one minor training incident reported on BigFooty.
 

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I wouldn't read too much into the Beamer thing. We don't know the full story.
Pathetic by Demonland. Bhima accuses Moloney of spitting at Davis with no proof and everyone jumps up and down like he's guilty. Demonland should have deleted it. If I was Moloney and knew people were saying this about me I'd wouldn't be too happy.
 
I wouldn't read too much into the Beamer thing. We don't know the full story. The OP did state that the drill was only simulated (i.e. mock pressure) so Beamer probably wasn't expecting the contact to the head. Some people can react differently when they cop a knock to the head (even though the OP said it was "small contact"). Beamer obviously wasn't happy but we have always known that he is on the aggressive side. Anyway, lets not crucify him for one minor training incident reported on BigFooty.


Exactly my opinion is that Davis' act was ill disiplined and would obviously draw a free in a game. Obviously no something you want to be giving away. So to me Beamer may of been giving him a spray for that.
 
No problem with Beamer whatsoever here. Going by the writeup it sounds like it could have been a premeditated thing for the senior blokes to put some intensity into the session and put some pressure on the young lads.

I guarantee Beamer would be straight up to young Davis in the rooms patting him on the back and giving him some encouragement.

Cook is interesting though. Someone mentioned he cried his way home from school camp - and sounds like the pressure got to him on the track too. Hopefully he hardens up quickly.
 
Depends what you prefer in a leader I guess.

Obviously Beamer will be a very different captain to Junior if he gets the gig, but I think you could make quite a strong case that Davis will have learnt his lesson there rather quickly.

If the youngsters can't stand the heat, I'd be more worried about their personal mettle than the older lads who are dishing it out.
 
He is still just a kid, its a huge lifestyle change and he is being put through immense physical and mental pressure that he would have never seen anything close to in his life. Some kids are better than others at dealing with it from a young age... its still so early in Cooks career, i take nothing from it.
 

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Depends what you prefer in a leader I guess.

Obviously Beamer will be a very different captain to Junior if he gets the gig, but I think you could make quite a strong case that Davis will have learnt his lesson there rather quickly.

If the youngsters can't stand the heat, I'd be more worried about their personal mettle than the older lads who are dishing it out.

I don't want a captain to lose it at young kids who are just a touch too enthusiastic during a drill. Sure, he made some minor contact and slightly stuffed up the drill, but really, I think that's preferable to him just hanging off the back and creating no pressure whatsoever.

He didn't deserve a spray for that, just a quiet word at the most. Moreover, he certainly didn't deserve to have his apology rejected. I like Moloney, he is extremely passionate, and his intensity during matches sets a great example for his teammates, but in this instance, I think he was a little immature.

He is still just a kid, its a huge lifestyle change and he is being put through immense physical and mental pressure that he would have never seen anything close to in his life. Some kids are better than others at dealing with it from a young age... its still so early in Cooks career, i take nothing from it.

Exactly.

He's undergoing a massive change is his life as a 17-18 year old kid, so if he did just get a little overwhelmed by it all, then I don't blame him.

Good to see Col offering him some encouragement, though. To me, that's the kind of thing a captain should be doing.
 
Neither you nor I know what actually went on, so why don't we at least give him a chance before we jump to conclusions?
Exactly! The way Moloney and Cook have been treated on the forums because of some sketchy details by someone who went to training has been very poor. What happened to innocent before proven guilty?
 
... and just to show the other side of the coin:

"... in one on one contest where ball was kicked to Moloney, Kelvin Lawrence spoiled beautiful with great closing speed. Moloney turned and high five and plenty of well done encouragement."
 
Neither you nor I know what actually went on, so why don't we at least give him a chance before we jump to conclusions?

I'm just going on the write up so don't have a crack at me. I'm very supportive of the lad - we gave Watts the same type of 'create hunger' introduction and I hope we make this kid mean too.
 

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