Michael Malthouse

[ad4eva]

Has he won a grand final? No.

Don't care how close he's come. At all. We haven't won a flag.

Atleast hes gotten close to one. MM is the right man and he has a proven track record.

With the side we had in at the half way mark and especially towards the latter part of the year i wouldnt have expected any other coach to even get us to the finals.

MM, imo, for what hes had to work with hes the best coach.

 

[mattys123]

All this talk about whether MM is the right coach is, to put it bluntly, absolute nonsense.

For the past 3 years we have played in the finals, despite the fact that most "astute" football judges picked us to miss them.

Premierships are what we aim for, and is the reason we exist, but hello, we are Colingwood, we have won one flag in 50 years, so it is pretty unrealistic to expect to win flags at this club.

MM gets the most out of this team, and will continue to do so in 2009, no matter what anyone else says, he will be coaching the CFC from now until at least September 2009.

Come back then and whinge and cry, but for now, he is our coach, and personally, he and his coaching staff have my full support.

Great job Mick, keep it up.

 

[tess]

All this talk about whether MM is the right coach is, to put it bluntly, absolute nonsense.

For the past 3 years we have played in the finals, despite the fact that most "astute" football judges picked us to miss them.

So what, between 1961 and 1981 we missed the finals in TWO years only. We made countless Grand Finals even as astute judges didn't expect us too. This is the Collingwood heritage and birthright that we are never dead in a game, in a season we never give up. This is not a Mick Malthouse phenomenon it is a Collingwood phenomenon.

You people would have us erect a statue of Tommy Hafey outside Lexus if he coached us today having never finishing below 3rd. But the Collingwood of yesterday sacked him as 2ND was never good enough at Vic Park, how times have changed at Lexus.

 

[cakewalk_1]

So what, between 1961 and 1981 we missed the finals in TWO years only. We made countless Grand Finals even as astute judges didn't expect us too. This is the Collingwood heritage and birthright that we are never dead in a game, in a season we never give up. This is not a Mick Malthouse phenomenon it is a Collingwood phenomenon.

You people would have us erect a statue of Tommy Hafey outside Lexus if he coached us today having never finishing below 3rd. But the Collingwood of yesterday sacked him as 2ND was never good enough at Vic Park, how times have changed at Lexus.

Sigh....
Hafey took over in 1976 after we won our 1st wooden spoon.
In 1977 GF draw. Lost the replay.
1978 3rd
1979 2nd 5 pts we all know the wayne harmes storey.
1980 2nd 80 pts (after finishing 5th)
1981 2nd (lead by 21 pts late in to time on in the 3rd qtr - Carlton kick 2 very late goals, 9pt lead at 3/4 time. We didn't kick a goal in the last.
1982 - Sacked through the season and Mick Erwin took over.

When do the players take responsibility?
Ahhh what could have been, 77, 79, 80, 81, 90, 02, 03

 

[tess]

When do the players take responsibility?

These players are mostly kids, and we have pretty much sacked our list TWICE in the past ten years.

When does the Coach take responsibility or do we go on sifting through the list every few years?

 

[cakewalk_1]

These players are mostly kids, and we have pretty much sacked our list TWICE in the past ten years.

When does the Coach take responsibility or do we go on sifting through the list every few years?

I'd say every team has "sacked" as you put it, their list twice. So we are not unique on that point.

I guess it depends who is responsible for recruiting, match day tactics, player developement, fitness, list management.

Some how I don't believe MM is responsible for all those.

 

[MarkT]

I'd say every team has "sacked" as you put it, their list twice. So we are not unique on that point.

I guess it depends who is responsible for recruiting, match day tactics, player developement, fitness, list management.

Some how I don't believe MM is responsible for all those.

Well he was employed to be back in 1999. If you ever hear Balme speak about the draft you would have heard him say numerous times that MM directed recruiting to the types we took – notably the infamous fat arsed wombats. I find it hard to believe his self confessed lack of ruck valuation hasn’t been a factor is losing the ruck 90% of all games over a decade. Ultimately the coach is in charge of who gets chopped and makes the decisions about who to trade for. Ultimately top end list management skill is a non negotiable for a successful AFL coach these days and MM has NEVR shown it.

MM is not accountable for results though so we get what we ask for.

 

[Optimax]

yeh we constantly hear stories like this. such as he was the one who insisted on drafting toovey, against the recruiter's recommendations

dont know if theres truth behind it

Its absolute bullshit Godfrey.

Toovey was visted at least twice by HINE saying he may get rookied, not malthouse no arguements nothing.

Its just a bullshit story made up by sad ****s that have to pick on things

 

[Optimax]

Sure they are difficult. Sure they aren’t won from 9th. They aren’t often won from outside the top 3 or 4 either and until we can finish there we are setting ourselves up for more of he same.

It isn’t about nearly being good enough. Premierships are hard to win so they go to the clubs that set the bar high enough and don’t accept nearly. Therein lies the problem and if you doubt me just go to the AGM.

Meanwhile can you please make your comparisons with the best not the worst and the mediocre – unless you are doing a talk at the AGM that is.

which of port, geelong, hawthorn havent been the best only recently?

What im saying is that fact we are making finals with a list that isnt as talented as the geelongs and hawthorns is fantastic, the fact we seem to have our recruiting getting more hits that misses means weare building quickly, it isnbt all doom and gloom as you are predicting Mark.


And tess noone ever thought lokan was a second comign we saw a fast, somewhat pudgy crazy john look alike having a red hot go, medhurst is a TALENTED player who is finally fulfilling that talent

 

[tess]

And tess noone ever thought lokan was a second comign we saw a fast, somewhat pudgy crazy john look alike having a red hot go, medhurst is a TALENTED player who is finally fulfilling that talent

Opti, I'm NOT comparing the on Field Talent I'm comparing the other side of the fence excitement that we had finally "unearthed" a hidden talent.

 

[Optimax]

Opti, I'm NOT comparing the on Field Talent I'm comparing the other side of the fence excitement that we had finally "unearthed" a hidden talent.

possibly the Cheer squad tess, they love everyone in black and white, but most stock standard supporters so crazy matty for what he was: a very fast unskilled honest goer

 

[cakewalk_1]

Well he was employed to be back in 1999. If you ever hear Balme speak about the draft you would have heard him say numerous times that MM directed recruiting to the types we took – notably the infamous fat arsed wombats. I find it hard to believe his self confessed lack of ruck valuation hasn’t been a factor is losing the ruck 90% of all games over a decade. Ultimately the coach is in charge of who gets chopped and makes the decisions about who to trade for. Ultimately top end list management skill is a non negotiable for a successful AFL coach these days and MM has NEVR shown it.

MM is not accountable for results though so we get what we ask for.

The ruck department is one area that certainly hasn't improved in th 9 years. I agree with you there. Possibily it's cost us a serious premiership chance.

 

[MarkT]

What im saying is that fact we are making finals with a list that isnt as talented as the geelongs and hawthorns is fantastic, the fact we seem to have our recruiting getting more hits that misses means weare building quickly, it isnbt all doom and gloom as you are predicting Mark.

First of all if we are making the finals and out performing our talent then MM has to go immediately because he can’t build a talented enough list, This praise of Malthouse for out performing the list is really nonsense if you ask me but if it is true then he has failed dismally at the very first hurdle. Ultimately the objective results are the test and the clear fact is no flags in 9 completed seasons are the results of his combined list management, player development, game plan, pre match tactics and match day coaching. Their really isn’t anything else relevant. Time can’t be an issue by now.

If he wins us the flag the flag next year I will be very happy to be wrong and I’ll kiss his arse at the AGM but I’ve said that for 4 years now.

I am not predicting and have never predicted doom and gloom. The issue is not whether we are a decent side or even whether MM is a decent coach. I actually think we are at least the 4th best and quite possibly the 3rd best side in the comp. The issue is simply premierships and while we continually accept, like you comments suggest, that we are not doing badly therefore we should not make a change or we should accept our lot, which is really part of the cultural issue we have faced for half a century, then we will NEVER win premiersips (note the plural).

 

[MarkT]

Look if someone can answer me one question adequately then I will shut.

How many times have we been carved up in the first half by a mid and MM has made a change that shut him down and changed the match? The answer should be well into double figures after a decade but I honestly can’t think of once. There have been lockdowns and successful tags but if plan A doesn’t work where does MM go?

I sat there just two weeks ago and said to my Wife at half time, we need to shut Dal Santo down and he’s one of the easier midfielders in the AFL to shut down with a tag but we won’t do it. It’s bloody frustrating!

 

[Somebody]

Look if someone can answer me one question adequately then I will shut.

How many times have we been carved up in the first half by a mid and MM has made a change that shut him down and changed the match? The answer should be well into double figures after a decade but I honestly can’t think of once. There have been lockdowns and successful tags but if plan A doesn’t work where does MM go?

I sat there just two weeks ago and said to my Wife at half time, we need to shut Dal Santo down and he’s one of the easier midfielders in the AFL to shut down with a tag but we won’t do it. It’s bloody frustrating!

And of course forwards - this year, Fev, Buddy, Rhead, and most recently and most annoying Reiwolt. I think that may be partly because he has been spoilt by having Presti (auto-shutdown of any forward) but how long does it take to wake up that Presti is injured and yo need a plan B??

 

[Keele]

How many times have we been carved up in the first half by a mid and MM has made a change that shut him down and changed the match? The answer should be well into double figures after a decade but I honestly can’t think of once. There have been lockdowns and successful tags but if plan A doesn’t work where does MM go?

Does this decade of being carved up in the middle include time played by Buckley... cannot remember Nathan getting carved up on a regular basis.

 

[Pie eyed]

Does this decade of being carved up in the middle include time played by Buckley... cannot remember Nathan getting carved up on a regular basis.

These facts are quickly forgotten when and argument is to be pushed.

I still think MM has got us there and we have not been good enough.

 

[tess]

Does this decade of being carved up in the middle include time played by Buckley... cannot remember Nathan getting carved up on a regular basis.

I must have missed it but, how many Collingwood Premiership teams did Bucks captain?

 

[twoforjoy]

I still think MM has got us there and we have not been good enough.

Correct. That's why I'm pleased with the development program that has been put into the kids. There seems to be some genuine talent in the mix. MM is good with the kids. This lot will be good enough.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Correct. That's why I'm pleased with the development program that has been put into the kids. There seems to be some genuine talent in the mix. MM is good with the kids. This lot will be good enough.

But is he good with the coaching staff? McKenna and Richardson are gone, leaving a threadbare assistant group. Richardson ran the development program. Who will take over his role? Will Gary Ayres come on board? I hope so. He was well-liked at Essendon and may offset some of MM's more dour qualities.

I'd love to see Mick take on some Rodney Eade style match day advisors who are astute thinkers of the game. MM does not impress at times with his blind faith in players in games. Tom Hafey was the same and he didn't win us any premierships either. MM needs to be honest enough to admit deficiencies and fill the holes with capable people.

And surely now Mick needs to tinker with the game style, to admit that the one on one, kick-based style is not necessarily the best way to play contemporary AFL football.

Either move with the times or move out of the way.

 

[twoforjoy]

McKenna and Richardson have been there for years though. McKenna is great but he is never going to get the top job at Collingwood with Bucks waiting in the wings. He got a bigger gig elsewhere. Richardson - not sure - maybe for money, a more secure contract, a change of scene - who knows? I'm not sure you can lay their departure at MM's feet. People move on to new opportunities, that's life. I would love to bring in Robert Harvey as a coach. Just out of the game and 21 years in the guts of it, mad for fitness and preparation and has a passion for passing on what he knows to young players. Get him!

I've heard both Daisy and Pendles in interviews say the the dour grumpy old Mick that he trots out for the media is really different to the MM the kids interact with.

 

[daicos90]

I would love to bring in Robert Harvey as a coach. Just out of the game and 21 years in the guts of it, mad for fitness and preparation and has a passion for passing on what he knows to young players. Get him!

.

Was thinking the same thing ,would be a great get !!!!

 

[DarkStorm]

I would love to bring in Robert Harvey as a coach. Just out of the game and 21 years in the guts of it, mad for fitness and preparation and has a passion for passing on what he knows to young players. Get him.

Perhaps he can sledge the players when they get out of hand

 

[cakewalk_1]

These facts are quickly forgotten when and argument is to be pushed.

I still think MM has got us there and we have not been good enough.

Agree.

We lost to an injury riddled Brisbane in 2003 who couldn't stand up without injections. A GF when everyone expected the pies to win it.

A lot of players went missing in 2003 GF watch the game again. In 2008 alot of Hawthorn's lesser lights stood up to help the superstars like Hodge, Crawford, Mitchell, Franklin get over the line. That was the difference with both underdogs winning.

 

[MarkT]

Does this decade of being carved up in the middle include time played by Buckley... cannot remember Nathan getting carved up on a regular basis.

What does Buckley have to do with anything? The question was how many times have we stopped a midfielder that was carving us up early not how may times has our midfield been carved up. The latest example was Dal Santo.

I still think MM has got us there and we have not been good enough.

I don’t think that is in dispute is it? Clearly we have got there and clearly we haven’t been good enough.