Hot Topic Michael Voss - Coaching in 2026. Should he remain beyond that?

[Kernafides]

Maybe I'm half glass full But we took it up to the best team in the comp. No one expected us to be within a goal at 3/4 time. Sure we aren't sexy but if the pressure is there we're competitive. A fit Harry and Charlie would have contributed what chol did. There alleged amazing aa smalls were well held. They were just a better team at crucial moments. I expected that... they're better than us...not sack coach worthy.

 

[MPH78]

Have a close look at Acres, players are done. He speaks in riddles. I’m guessing round 4.


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Acres is playing that poorly he is completely droppable. If I was him I’d just be worried about performing like a legitimate AFL footballer again.

 

[CrippaTheGoat9]

I’d offer Bevo a 5 year contract to be our senior coach.

 

[frank_frankson]

"Some of the contest stuff was unbelievable".

This guy is actually cooked.

Half our issue is we are cooked because the master plan is absolutely exhausting. Everything is hard and a slog.

Clueless and delusional.

That is *****n disgusting as a message. "Don't go moping in that room". Absolutely deplorable, you should walk in that room and absolutely HATE that you have lost. The room should be a pit of questions and truth about what happened.

I'm not advocating tearing strips off players and yelling like a madman. But that there is almost happy that it was only 20 pts.



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[SurreyBlue]

Have a close look at Acres, players are done. He speaks in riddles. I’m guessing round 4.


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I think Acres is smiling at the comment he must have heard multiple times previously, and it’s obviously an in joke between the players.

 

[SurreyBlue]

Maybe I'm half glass full But we took it up to the best team in the comp. No one expected us to be within a goal at 3/4 time. Sure we aren't sexy but if the pressure is there we're competitive. A fit Harry and Charlie would have contributed what chol did. There alleged amazing aa smalls were well held. They were just a better team at crucial moments. I expected that... they're better than us...not sack coach worthy.

They aren’t the best team, in the comp. That is just media hype.

 

[DangerousD]

'Scuse me mate, I know you're angry & want blood, but please re-read my post & learn to distinguish the difference between observation & facts with personal opinion.

Nowhere did I state that I was pleased with our results. However, here are some facts.

• Under Voss, we have had 3x respectable seasons.
• This looks to be the first really poor, underwhelming season.

*whilst i understand as carlton fans we have different definitions of 'respectable', we demand premierships, but the industry looks at it far more logically.

Now, can you point me to the last coach who got the sack after one bad year? Can you point me to a coach that got sacked after making a Prelim 2 years prior? Here, I'll make a list for you - after 2012 when we sacked Ratts:

Mark Neeld - 13th, 12th, 17th
Michael Voss - 15th, 13th, 12th
Guy McKenna - 17th, 14th, 12th
Brendan McCartney - 15th, 15th, 14th
Mick Malthouse - 9th, 13th, 18th
Just Leppitsch - 15th, 17th, 17th
Rodney Eade - 16th, 15th, 15th
Alan Richardson - 11th, 16th, 14th
Brendon Bolton - 16th, 18th, 16th
Brad Scott - 15th, 9th, 17th
Ross Lyon - 14th, 13th, 13th
David Teague - 11th, 13th
David Noble - 17th, 18th, 18th
Brett Ratten - 6th, 10th, 10th - funnily enough, St Kilda sacked him due to them thinking they have a better list than what they were showing - now Lyon wants a rebuild.
Adam Simpson - 17th, 18th, 16th

Is Voss' record similar to any of these guys? I don't see it.

I don't think he's the best coach, but barring a huge fallout, player mutiny or revolt or some other scandal, I can't see them sacking him.

When assessing Voss or any coaches performance, you can’t just use ladder position as an indicator, you need to factor in expected finishing position.

In Voss 1st season the club expected finals and we missed, we fell in a heap losing 5 of the last 6 games.

Second season we started bad and went on a great run to the prelim, as we underperformed the year before, this result is on par with where we should have finished.

Third season and with 3 pre seasons to mould the team we start strong and fall in to finals and get embarrassed.

Now it’s the 4th season, there’s no excuses, we should be improving, not going backwards, the list is experienced and filled with good players, we aren’t a developing team.

You also forgot Buckley on your list, Grand Final in 2017, sacked 2019

 

[DangerousD]

I’d offer Bevo a 5 year contract to be our senior coach.

Bro has been at the helm of a top quality list for over a decade and has never managed to get the team to a top 4 finish.

He’s made two grand finals and they did win, how many times can you expect that to happen.

 

[ITCHY EYEBALLS]

Let’s all sing Kumbaya
That vid is embarrassing

 

[ITCHY EYEBALLS]

I look at players like Cottrell and I assume his role is to play as a defensive hf.
Occasionally he sneaks in for a goal here and there, but generally when you see him on tv he’s just that half a metre off his opponents…almost creating pressure or a spoil, but in reality he lets them off the chain and manages to time his efforts just as he’s in focus.
He’s a master at it, and has us all fooled. He’s an imposter.
And he’s not alone.
On the flip side you look at how JSos contests…. My god he must despise some of his teammates.

 

[Flaggers22]

Our ball movement is frustrating me to no end, so I decided to take a closer look at the statistics. I don't want to bore you all with all of my analyses, but one of the comparisons I found most interesting was kicking efficiency.

Kick efficiency by position

On Ballers
Blues 29/63 - 46%

Hawks 31/53 - 58.5%



Wingers

Blues 10/22 - 45.5%

Hawks 15/24 - 62.5%



Forwards

Blues 30/50 - 60%

Hawks 39/56 - 69.6%


Defenders
Blues 38/56 - 67.9%

Hawks 55/73 - 75.3%

Obviously we're poor across the ground, but the most startling difference was between the wingmen. To add to this, last week our wingers operated at 28.6% kicking efficiency. I think this just points to Voss' complete misunderstanding of the role, approximately 75-80% of a wingman's possessions are uncontested, so it makes sense to put good users there and give them the time and space to open the ground up with their kicking. I'm giving Camporeale a pass because he's adapting to the game, but Acres and Docherty have to go in my opinion. Binns and Hollands are much better kicks than both of those guys, or get creative and push Boyd up to a wing (not sure what his running profile looks like, but if his 2km time trial is sub 6:30 it's a no brainer). I say all of this, but Voss won't change a thing, because Acres is good at the "contest" (god forbid we lose those 7 contested possessions he averages per game) and once denied the other team a goal in a final.

 

[BlueTang]

I think it’s only a matter of time before he goes, maybe round 6 or 7. I think Horse would be a great get. Has the experience and player respect, some say he’s waiting for the tassie role, but that’s like 2.5 years away, not sure he would want that long a break out of football. Hopefully we can lure him to the club

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

They aren’t the best team, in the comp. That is just media hype.

yeah they'll be 5-8 by the end of it. Even if they are it shows the issues still. Mitchell has taken a bad / developing list and turned it into that by focusing on his players strengths. That's all. Too hard for Carlton

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

Acres is playing that poorly he is completely droppable. If I was him I’d just be worried about performing like a legitimate AFL footballer again.

Acres is too friendly, you'd think Diesel or Voss could channel his inner mongrel.

 

[sparkybagger]

yeah they'll be 5-8 by the end of it. Even if they are it shows the issues still. Mitchell has taken a bad / developing list and turned it into that by focusing on his players strengths. That's all. Too hard for Carlton

Spot on. If Chol is your best key forward, your list is hot garbage. There are clear deficiencies in that Hawks side on every line but Mitchell has understood what tools he has at his disposal and found a way to make it work. He also doesn't give excuses for what they lack.

Similarly, I still can't believe what Fly was able to achieve with that very ordinary Collingwood list a couple of years ago. It will continue to burn me for decades.

Carlton seems to content to accept its fate and expects that one day there will be a miraculous change of fortune.

 

[Arr0w]

When you see Acres laughing you know the players are done.

I watched the clip a number of times, not sure I saw Acres laughing

Hopefully people aren't questioning his commitment on field, especially if compared to some of our conditional types

 

[Accidental genius]

I’d offer Bevo a 5 year contract to be our senior coach.

Absolutely.

He really understands and can implement the modern day game style of effective fast ball transition.

 

[Accidental genius]

Bro has been at the helm of a top quality list for over a decade and has never managed to get the team to a top 4 finish.

He’s made two grand finals and they did win, how many times can you expect that to happen.

He’ll teach our players and club how to play tge modern game.

I’d be happy with that as a first step.

The way we are playing atm we are miles off from a flag. …2025 is looking like will miss the 8.

 

[Kruezing]

I look at players like Cottrell and I assume his role is to play as a defensive hf.
Occasionally he sneaks in for a goal here and there, but generally when you see him on tv he’s just that half a metre off his opponents…almost creating pressure or a spoil, but in reality he lets them off the chain and manages to time his efforts just as he’s in focus.
He’s a master at it, and has us all fooled. He’s an imposter.
And he’s not alone.
On the flip side you look at how JSos contests…. My god he must despise some of his teammates.

I think that sums up Cottrell perfectly

 

[jpfalvo]

Let’s all sing Kumbaya
That vid is embarrassing

Is that the video with him amongst the players.

Saying how its great that we start from a "negative position"

Is he actually for real with this double speak.
There is no way we entered the season saying, you know what 0-2... big tick

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[Arr0w]

I look at players like Cottrell and I assume his role is to play as a defensive hf.
Occasionally he sneaks in for a goal here and there, but generally when you see him on tv he’s just that half a metre off his opponents…almost creating pressure or a spoil, but in reality he lets them off the chain and manages to time his efforts just as he’s in focus.
He’s a master at it, and has us all fooled. He’s an imposter.
And he’s not alone.
On the flip side you look at how JSos contests…. My god he must despise some of his teammates.

Some valid points

I do feel for the likes of Jsos, a guy that size and lacking speed still pressures and competes harder than all our other forwards

Cottrell is a limited player, we all know his strengths and weaknesses, and yes he does corral a little too much rather than attacking the contest more, but it's rare that his opponent gets goal side allowing the overlap

Wondering what our other forwards are doing to stop an opposition defensive rebound

 

[bigm386]

I watched the clip a number of times, not sure I saw Acres laughing

Hopefully people aren't questioning his commitment on field, especially if compared to some of our conditional types

Around 1:16 he looks to the player to his right and scoffs.

 

[Arr0w]

Around 1:16 he looks to the player to his right and scoffs.

Probably closer to the mark, possibly frustration at the output of the side as a whole

I wouldn't read too much into that moment

 

[bigm386]

Probably closer to the mark, possibly frustration at the output of the side as a whole

I wouldn't read too much into that moment

In isolation I think it's nothing.

The fear is after the last 18 odd months of the same gameplan and messaging does he still have the group?

 

[bigm386]

Plenty of flags have been won by teams with limited footballers.

You can hide weaknesses and exentuate strengths with good system. Perfect example Lewis Young. If you worry about his disposal give him an easy outlet every time.

The problem is good coaches can do that. Good coaches can get the best out of the list.

We seem to be unable to get an average game out of A graders with our system.