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[GT619]

Sure he is not the biggest problem but he is a big part of it. All coaches face injuries and list gaps but they do a far better job of managing that. If you are getting beaten regulary and adding layers to your game plan is considered messy then you have the wrong game plan. Of course our players are mentally fragile because the list consists of 95% beta males because that's who the club chases. They need their social justice warriors. Even so a big part of coach/coaches job is to get the players in the right frame of mind. There are lots of factors that come into a coaches job and from what I see Voss is lacking in a lot of those factors. The saving grace is Graham Wright he has the resume on the board of being successful. Whether or not the board will let him do it is another story.

if they want flags then they should

 

[Just Kreuzing]

From someone on the weekend who would know. Nothing we don’t already suspect but interesting to hear it from another perspective.

• Voss is not perfect but he’s not the biggest problem
• inconsistency across his tenure due to fluctuating factors some which he doesnt directly control. ie. injuries; list gaps; big contracts; also identified adding “layers” to game plan was messy.
• playing group is connected and together. enough talent on the list but big discrepancies in hunger/ commitment across the group. Mentally fragile - not just from a toughness perspective but the ability to fulfil basics week to week.

You hear this on the weekend and wait to Wed morning to post it….. where is your commitment to us at BF man…..

 

[Michael Jezz]

Read the latest Rumour, which accords with the perception that Voss is a smaller part of Carlton's problems. Uncommitted senior players need to be traded or delisted. Yes and that means we will need to land some quality with rookies and later picks
Secondly make Weitering Captain b/c he won't be a mate & is more willing to deliver a harsh message

 

[DangerousD]

You can assess the future of the club by the order of the impending sackings.
If Voss is sacked & Austin, Lloyd and the assistants remain we will not break this 30 year cycle.
If Voss is sacked after the above, we can move forward

I’ve always struggled to asses people like Austin, i can see lots of draft misses, i see a lack of bringing in established players, i see a lack of fit for purpose mature recruits but what i dont know is, does he pick the players? If someone else is picking and ranking the players, then how does that affect how we view his role?

 

[DangerousD]

Read the latest Rumour, which accords with the perception that Voss is a smaller part of Carlton's problems. Uncommitted senior players need to be traded or delisted. Yes and that means we will need to land some quality with rookies and later picks
Secondly make Weitering Captain b/c he won't be a mate & is more willing to deliver a harsh message

Uncommitted senior players is a problem for the coach now, if the uncommitted senior players are picked each week, then that’s a fail by the coach.

Im more than happy to single Charlie out regardless of how much i love him and as talented as he is, as soon as he is out of position he gives up, he doesnt chase, he doesnt tackle, he doesnt spoil and he doesnt work hard enough to get involved, but the coach puts him in the leadership group.

If we complain about not having high enough standards, players not being committed, that’s on Voss and he can rectify it this week.

 

[Soapy V]

From someone on the weekend who would know. Nothing we don’t already suspect but interesting to hear it from another perspective.

• Voss is not perfect but he’s not the biggest problem
• inconsistency across his tenure due to fluctuating factors some which he doesnt directly control. ie. injuries; list gaps; big contracts; also identified adding “layers” to game plan was messy.
• playing group is connected and together. enough talent on the list but big discrepancies in hunger/ commitment across the group. Mentally fragile - not just from a toughness perspective but the ability to fulfil basics week to week.

Couldn't agree more with these comments

 

[ETET]

We are simply not organized.

One small piece of play on the weekend demonstrated this for me.

Young had a boundary free kick on centre wing under no pressure, kicks sideways inboard to Weitering in a better position. Weitering takes the mark with no pressure, Jacob then walks back and kicks sideways back to Young in the same position, who marks, has a look forward and kicks an up and under for a turnover on our forward 50.

The Adelaide and Carlton players did not move from one kick to the other and then back again.

Surely Jacob!!!...you know (we all know) you are better kicking it forward from a better position than Young is from the boundary (or anywhere), surely we know that!!!

We are simply not drilled in what needs to be done...the players don't look to either have a plan or to have rehearsed them. This is not skill error this is coaching.

 

[Soapy V]

Uncommitted senior players is a problem for the coach now, if the uncommitted senior players are picked each week, then that’s a fail by the coach.

Massive issue with our list/club. Problem is we have many players that are "happy" being AFL players and getting very good money. They are comfortable and lack the drive to go to the next level. Unfortunately several are also our highest paid players

As much as I doubt Voss you can't make a player be motivated for success especially if they have a long term guranteed contract

Again, boils down to culture and how we run our club. Only special driven players should ever get long term contracts

 

[bigblueboy]

You hear this on the weekend and wait to Wed morning to post it….. where is your commitment to us at BF man…..

Haha … didn’t think it was much really - I’ve lost a bit of interest this year.

 

[swuzzlebubble]

So the main issue with our list is that some less than fully committed senior players are better selection options than what's available in the seconds?

 

[bigblueboy]

This is pretty close to an oxy moron. Enough talent on the list but mentally weak and unable to perform basics week to week?

Seems to me this is well within the expectations of a coach.

I think these aspects often co-exist when accountability and consequences are lacking.

I’d like to see more of Voss the player in the club’s approach to coaching, selection and to list management.

 

[GoBlues!]

Massive issue with our list/club. Problem is we have many players that are "happy" being AFL players and getting very good money. They are comfortable and lack the drive to go to the next level. Unfortunately several are also our highest paid players

As much as I doubt Voss you can't make a player be motivated for success especially if they have a long term guranteed contract

Again, boils down to culture and how we run our club. Only special driven players should ever get long term contracts

We’ve got five players on long term contracts:
Weiters - up to 2031!
Cerra - 2030
Harry - 2030
Charlie - 2029
Cripps - 2027

In terms of drive I wouldn’t question Cripps or Weitering and both probably warrant long term contracts.

I’m not a big fan of long contracts for the likes Harry or Cerra. But, unfortunately the market drives this and we have to either match the contract lengths offered by other clubs, like the 7 year TDK offer, or risk losing the player.

Great for the players but hamstrings the club with too many inflated long term contracts.

 

[Just Kreuzing]

Haha … didn’t think it was much really - I’ve lost a bit of interest this year.

We have the capabilities of winning our next 6 games if we get consistent effort & performances, luck with injuries/mro and complete focus & buy in from the group.

Draw will get tougher after that though, will be pleasantly surprised if we won all 6 tbh, maybe 4-2 in a realistic scenario!

 

[Michael Jezz]

I’ve always struggled to asses people like Austin, i can see lots of draft misses, i see a lack of bringing in established players, i see a lack of fit for purpose mature recruits but what i dont know is, does he pick the players? If someone else is picking and ranking the players, then how does that affect how we view his role?

Austin is accountable. He is paid to where the list manager badge and the recruiters report to him.

 

[Michael Jezz]

Uncommitted senior players is a problem for the coach now, if the uncommitted senior players are picked each week, then that’s a fail by the coach.

Im more than happy to single Charlie out regardless of how much i love him and as talented as he is, as soon as he is out of position he gives up, he doesnt chase, he doesnt tackle, he doesnt spoil and he doesnt work hard enough to get involved, but the coach puts him in the leadership group.

If we complain about not having high enough standards, players not being committed, that’s on Voss and he can rectify it this week.

I heard the same under Teague and Bolton. When is it on the players and the whole Club?

 

[Gointocarlton]

From someone on the weekend who would know. Nothing we don’t already suspect but interesting to hear it from another perspective.

• Voss is not perfect but he’s not the biggest problem
• inconsistency across his tenure due to fluctuating factors some which he doesnt directly control. ie. injuries; list gaps; big contracts; also identified adding “layers” to game plan was messy.
• playing group is connected and together. enough talent on the list but big discrepancies in hunger/ commitment across the group. Mentally fragile - not just from a toughness perspective but the ability to fulfil basics week to week.

So the ones that dont have the required or matching level of hunger/commitment as those that do? Ta ta.

 

[Gointocarlton]

If we complain about not having high enough standards, players not being committed, that’s on Voss and he can rectify it this week.

How? By choosing from the overflowing high performing talent pool in the 2s provided to him by Austin?

 

[TheReal99prelim]

This is pretty close to an oxy moron. Enough talent on the list but mentally weak and unable to perform basics week to week?

Seems to me this is well within the expectations of a coach.

Let's see if their hunger returns when they are kicking the football on a suburban ground

So who comes in for them...Don't care, not my decision, just do it
So what if those coming in haven't been playing well at VFL level...Again, Don't care, give them the challenge and a block of games

We'll soon see that hunger return for those overpaid primadonnas

 

[BlueTongue]

JMO but I always feel like Voss is trying to be something he isn't. He tries to be a modern day touchy feely coach when it isn't his nature.

It's almost like after being sacked before he is defensive and tries to keep the players on side. I wish he would be tougher and set standards and expectations (his nature) and have great tactical coaches supporting him

Just my take

That is exactly how I feel.

And I think that there are very much 'Horses for Courses', and not every player will respond to the softly, softly approach.
When we first recruited Vossy I thought it would be a 'Hard but Fair' coach we were getting, based on the way he played, and the way he handled Fev at Brisbane.

But he seems to be reluctant to tear strips of them when they are just not doing what's required.
Even 'Cuddly Ross' as the media love to call him, has expectations with the level of effort, and spat the dummy the other week when the effort wasn't there.

We seem to play usual suspects regardless of form and effort, and not drop them for a developing player who earns the opportunity, unless we have multiple players injured.

 

[bigblueboy]

We have the capabilities of winning our next 6 games if we get consistent effort & performances, luck with injuries/mro and complete focus & buy in from the group.

Draw will get tougher after that though, will be pleasantly surprised if we won all 6 tbh, maybe 4-2 in a realistic scenario!

Capabilities yes - but we’ve been living a lie for a long time now.
Winning premierships is all that matters and we are nowhere near that conversation this year.

 

[BlueTongue]

When Tex was screaming in Saad's face, Young didn't get involved until later and then just gave a little shove.

If Jack was there it would have been a different story...

I don't believe that Young has that type of nature.

He is more the 'nurturing' type according to what I've read about how the players view him, I think he has the nickname of the reverend or something similar as he always looks out for them.

Ironically I don't think that means getting up in an OP's grill.

 

[BlueTongue]

Do you really think a new coach who has to play the following players will make a significant difference?
Docherty, Acres, Motlop, Young, Cowan, Fogarty, Lord, White, Mcgovern, Carrol
10 players of 22 are either too young, too old, slow or not afl

While I agree with the sentiment of that comment, I'd have to rather strongly protest and disagree that Cowan, Lord & White don't deserve the negative Tag. Cowan is best 22 every day.

 

[BlueTongue]

My view is get Longmire. Just give him what he wants. 14 years at Sydney he missed the finals twice.That tells me he was able to evolve his coaching year after year to stay in it. He is a tactical coach. If Voss needs all this help then he isn't the coach we need. Head coach makes all the final decisions. If we have a coach who needs babysitting then what's the point? Obviously we going to need some what of a list clean out soon and how is Voss going to go then? Get Longmire let's stop playing around. Just pay the tax for going over the soft cap. I can't stand listening to anymore of Voss press conferences. It's everybody elses fault bar his.

"Training Wheels" ?

 

[BlueTongue]

Does he value or know how to use assistants effectively?

TBH, A bit chicken & egg here, you need to have full trust in your assistants ability to do the job, to delegate.
Not sure I'd want to delegate without the confidence in the the assistant, and probably end up micro managing.

 

[Accidental genius]

TBH, A bit chicken & egg here, you need to have full trust in your assistants ability to do the job, to delegate.
Not sure I'd want to delegate without the confidence in the the assistant, and probably end up micro managing.

3 years on - he should know by now you’d think