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It looks like that flash in the pan 2023 prelim final appearance is about as far as Vossy can take us.

It's the Bombers up next as well and it was a defeat to them that finished off Brendon Bolton as Carlton coach.
 

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Blue4Life said:
Players starting to give up in my opinion…his gone
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I was ‘reluctant’ to be on the ‘change coach’ wagon. After today, there is now no other option.
Get an experience coach like Longmire lined up and tell him to start reviewing our players for the rest of the year before the change.

That’s it. As a one good poster has said - we are done.
 
JJBagger said:
How did I miss this post? Kingsley above Mitchell, Bevo, Fagan and even Lyon? He’s had an abundance of talent the last few years for just 2 finals wins. He’s proven absolutely nothing to be above those guys
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Care to rethink this after today?
Very ordinary team available and still smashed us.
GWS game style is unique and almost totally attributed to Kingsley.
What we would give for a coach of his ilk.
 
bigblueboy said:
Care to rethink this after today?
Very ordinary team available and still smashed us.
GWS game style is unique and almost totally attributed to Kingsley.
What we would give for a coach of his ilk.
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Today said more about us than them. They played almost as well as they could’ve, we couldn’t have played much worse, and the game was still open with 7 minutes left. So no, my opinion hasn’t changed
 
I like Vossy but hes not the hard ass i expected for a coach. I want someone who demands the highest consistent effort all game every game, and will lose his shit at players who turn in shit efforts. This board is split on Lyon, but at least he demands effort.
 

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This is why I'm content with the club exploring a massive upgrade of our assistant coaches before turfing Voss out the door. I was previously employed by one of these organizations and the "you can't win without great assistants" was a topic regularly spoken by the coach involved in this piece.

Thanks to Grok for helping me with this work.

The Importance of Assistant Coaches

The impact of high-level assistant coaches on a head coach’s success is a recurring theme across various sports, where the right support staff can elevate a program by bringing specialized expertise, strategic insight, and player development skills. Below are examples of head coaches who faced challenges and failures early in their tenures but achieved greater success after bringing in high-caliber assistant coaches. These examples span multiple sports, drawing from historical and contemporary cases where assistant coaches played a pivotal role.


Bill Belichick (Football, New England Patriots)​


  • Struggles: Bill Belichick, widely regarded as one of the NFL’s greatest coaches, faced early struggles in his head coaching career. With the Cleveland Browns (1991–1995), Belichick had a 36–44 record and only one playoff appearance, often criticized for his rigid approach and struggles to connect with players. His early tenure with the New England Patriots in 2000 was also rocky, with a 5–11 record.
  • Turnaround with Assistants: Belichick’s success skyrocketed after assembling a stellar assistant coaching staff in New England. Notably, Romeo Crennel (defensive coordinator) and Charlie Weis (offensive coordinator) were instrumental in the Patriots’ early 2000s dynasty. Crennel’s defensive schemes and Weis’s offensive play-calling were critical to the Patriots’ Super Bowl victories in 2001, 2003, and 2004. Later, Josh McDaniels (offensive coordinator) and Matt Patricia (defensive coordinator) helped sustain success by adapting strategies to evolving rosters. Belichick’s ability to delegate to high-level assistants allowed him to focus on overarching strategy, transforming the Patriots into a perennial contender.
  • Impact: The synergy between Belichick and his assistants created one of the most dominant dynasties in NFL history, with six Super Bowl titles. His early struggles in Cleveland, where he lacked comparable assistant support, highlight the difference elite assistants made.

Pat Summitt (Women’s Basketball, Tennessee Lady Vols)​


  • Struggles: Pat Summitt, a legendary figure in women’s basketball, had a strong start at Tennessee but faced challenges in the late 1970s and early 1980s as the game became more competitive. Her teams were talented but struggled to break through for national championships early on, with losses in key games due to tactical and motivational gaps.
  • Turnaround with Assistants: Summitt’s success soared after she began working with high-level assistants like Mickie DeMoss and Holly Warlick. DeMoss, who joined in 1985, brought a keen eye for recruiting and player development, helping Summitt refine her coaching philosophy to emphasize both discipline and adaptability. Warlick, a former player under Summitt, later became an assistant and helped maintain the program’s culture while adding modern recruiting strategies. These assistants were critical in Tennessee’s run of eight NCAA championships between 1987 and 2008.
  • Impact: DeMoss and Warlick’s contributions allowed Summitt to focus on leadership and game strategy while they handled player relationships and scouting. This support turned Tennessee into a powerhouse, with Summitt’s 1,098 wins becoming the most in NCAA basketball history at the time of her retirement.

Pep Guardiola (Soccer, Manchester City)​


  • Struggles: Pep Guardiola, one of soccer’s most celebrated managers, faced challenges during his first season at Manchester City in 2016–17. The team finished third in the Premier League and was eliminated early in the UEFA Champions League, with critics pointing to Guardiola’s struggles to adapt his possession-based style to the physicality of English football.
  • Turnaround with Assistants: Guardiola’s success at Manchester City took off after he strengthened his coaching staff, particularly with Mikel Arteta as his assistant. Arteta, who joined in 2016, brought tactical acumen and an ability to connect with players, helping Guardiola implement his complex system. Arteta’s work on set pieces and defensive organization addressed early weaknesses. Additionally, Rodolfo Borrell and Domenec Torrent (other key assistants) contributed to refining training methods and youth development, aligning the squad with Guardiola’s vision.
  • Impact: With Arteta and others, Manchester City won multiple Premier League titles (2017–18, 2018–19, 2020–21, etc.) and achieved a Champions League title in 2023. Arteta’s role was so significant that he later became Arsenal’s head coach, demonstrating the caliber of assistant Guardiola relied on. The assistants’ ability to translate Guardiola’s philosophy into practical results was key to overcoming his initial struggles.

Bobby Cox (Baseball, Atlanta Braves)​


  • Struggles: Bobby Cox, a Hall of Fame MLB manager, had a mixed record early in his career. During his first stint with the Atlanta Braves (1978–1981), Cox posted a 266–323 record with no playoff appearances, struggling to maximize a roster with limited talent. His early tenure with the Toronto Blue Jays (1982–1985) showed improvement but no postseason success.
  • Turnaround with Assistants: When Cox returned to the Braves in 1990, he leaned heavily on a strong coaching staff, including Leo Mazzone (pitching coach) and Ned Yost (bullpen coach). Mazzone, considered one of the best pitching coaches in MLB history, transformed the Braves’ pitching staff (including Greg Maddux, Tom Glavine, and John Smoltz) into a dominant force. Mazzone’s ability to develop pitchers allowed Cox to focus on player management and in-game decisions. Yost and others complemented Cox’s “players’ manager” style, fostering a cohesive team culture.
  • Impact: With Mazzone’s expertise, the Braves won 14 consecutive division titles (1991–2005), five pennants, and a World Series in 1995. Cox’s 2,501 career wins rank fourth in MLB history, a testament to how high-level assistants like Mazzone elevated his success.

Gregg Popovich (Basketball, San Antonio Spurs)​


  • Struggles: Gregg Popovich, another NBA coaching legend, faced early challenges with the San Antonio Spurs. In his first full season as head coach (1997–98), the Spurs went 56–26 but struggled in the playoffs, losing in the second round. Popovich’s intense, no-nonsense style initially clashed with some players, and he needed help refining his approach to maximize the team’s potential.
  • Turnaround with Assistants: Popovich’s success was amplified by assistants like Mike Budenholzer, Brett Brown, and Chip Engelland. Budenholzer, who joined in 1996, helped develop the Spurs’ defensive identity and later their “beautiful game” offense, which emphasized ball movement. Brown and Engelland (a shooting specialist) were instrumental in player development, particularly with Tim Duncan, Tony Parker, and Manu Ginobili. These assistants allowed Popovich to delegate key responsibilities, such as skill development and game planning, while he focused on culture and leadership.
  • Impact: With this coaching staff, the Spurs won five NBA championships (1999, 2003, 2005, 2007, 2014) and maintained consistent excellence over two decades. Budenholzer and Brown later became successful head coaches, underscoring the quality of Popovich’s assistants. Their contributions turned the Spurs from a talented but inconsistent team into a dynasty.

Common Themes Across Sports​

  • Delegation and Specialization: In each case, high-level assistants brought specialized skills (e.g., Mazzone’s pitching expertise, Arteta’s tactical insight) that complemented the head coach’s vision, allowing them to focus on broader strategy.
  • Player Development and Culture: Assistants often bridged the gap between head coaches and players, fostering trust and implementing systems that improved performance and team cohesion.
  • Adaptability: Struggling head coaches benefited from assistants who could adapt strategies to the team’s needs, whether it was Crennel’s defensive schemes for Belichick or DeMoss’s recruiting for Summitt.
  • Evidence from Sources: The importance of assistants is echoed in coaching literature. For example, one source notes that assistant coaches are “the success or failure of a team,” emphasizing their role in executing the head coach’s vision and enhancing team performance. Another highlights how head coaches like Belichick spent years as assistants themselves, learning the value of a strong support staff.
 
bigblueboy said:
Fagan should have won multiple flags with the talent he has had,
But credit to him for winning one - much better coaches have nil.
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Looking good for another one.
 
Previously, I thought Voss might be a bit like Scott and McRae; the sort who comes across as a sore loser to opposition fans, but really they just loathe losing.

He is not. I’m absolutely not advocating for or against sacking him, not in round 11, but I do tire of hearing of the learning experiences and opportunities to reset.
 
Even if we somehow managed to win every single game for the rest of the h&a games we'd be scraping into the lower half of the 8.

First ones picked next week should be all of Wilson, HOK, Lemmey, and the Campo twins.

Voss has shown sfa in 4 years.
You can't sugar coat a turd and call it a doughnut.

It's time to get Longmire or Buckley in.
 
Prem17 said:
Even if we somehow managed to win every single game for the rest of the h&a games we'd be scraping into the lower half of the 8.

First ones picked next week should be all of Wilson, HOK, Lemmey, and the Campo twins.

Voss has shown sfa in 4 years.
You can't sugar coat a turd and call it a doughnut.

It's time to get Longmire or Buckley in.
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Huge difference between getting Longmire or Buckley in.
 

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Prem17 said:
Well, we'll just bend over and accept another 30 years of shitfulness then.
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I'm saying make sure we get it right.
HOrse had sustained and consistent finals success.
 
Wickzki said:
This is why I'm content with the club exploring a massive upgrade of our assistant coaches before turfing Voss out the door. I was previously employed by one of these organizations and the "you can't win without great assistants" was a topic regularly spoken by the coach involved in this piece.

Thanks to Grok for helping me with this work.

The Importance of Assistant Coaches

The impact of high-level assistant coaches on a head coach’s success is a recurring theme across various sports, where the right support staff can elevate a program by bringing specialized expertise, strategic insight, and player development skills. Below are examples of head coaches who faced challenges and failures early in their tenures but achieved greater success after bringing in high-caliber assistant coaches. These examples span multiple sports, drawing from historical and contemporary cases where assistant coaches played a pivotal role.


Bill Belichick (Football, New England Patriots)​


  • Struggles: Bill Belichick, widely regarded as one of the NFL’s greatest coaches, faced early struggles in his head coaching career. With the Cleveland Browns (1991–1995), Belichick had a 36–44 record and only one playoff appearance, often criticized for his rigid approach and struggles to connect with players. His early tenure with the New England Patriots in 2000 was also rocky, with a 5–11 record.
  • Turnaround with Assistants: Belichick’s success skyrocketed after assembling a stellar assistant coaching staff in New England. Notably, Romeo Crennel (defensive coordinator) and Charlie Weis (offensive coordinator) were instrumental in the Patriots’ early 2000s dynasty. Crennel’s defensive schemes and Weis’s offensive play-calling were critical to the Patriots’ Super Bowl victories in 2001, 2003, and 2004. Later, Josh McDaniels (offensive coordinator) and Matt Patricia (defensive coordinator) helped sustain success by adapting strategies to evolving rosters. Belichick’s ability to delegate to high-level assistants allowed him to focus on overarching strategy, transforming the Patriots into a perennial contender.
  • Impact: The synergy between Belichick and his assistants created one of the most dominant dynasties in NFL history, with six Super Bowl titles. His early struggles in Cleveland, where he lacked comparable assistant support, highlight the difference elite assistants made.

Pat Summitt (Women’s Basketball, Tennessee Lady Vols)​


  • Struggles: Pat Summitt, a legendary figure in women’s basketball, had a strong start at Tennessee but faced challenges in the late 1970s and early 1980s as the game became more competitive. Her teams were talented but struggled to break through for national championships early on, with losses in key games due to tactical and motivational gaps.
  • Turnaround with Assistants: Summitt’s success soared after she began working with high-level assistants like Mickie DeMoss and Holly Warlick. DeMoss, who joined in 1985, brought a keen eye for recruiting and player development, helping Summitt refine her coaching philosophy to emphasize both discipline and adaptability. Warlick, a former player under Summitt, later became an assistant and helped maintain the program’s culture while adding modern recruiting strategies. These assistants were critical in Tennessee’s run of eight NCAA championships between 1987 and 2008.
  • Impact: DeMoss and Warlick’s contributions allowed Summitt to focus on leadership and game strategy while they handled player relationships and scouting. This support turned Tennessee into a powerhouse, with Summitt’s 1,098 wins becoming the most in NCAA basketball history at the time of her retirement.

Pep Guardiola (Soccer, Manchester City)​


  • Struggles: Pep Guardiola, one of soccer’s most celebrated managers, faced challenges during his first season at Manchester City in 2016–17. The team finished third in the Premier League and was eliminated early in the UEFA Champions League, with critics pointing to Guardiola’s struggles to adapt his possession-based style to the physicality of English football.
  • Turnaround with Assistants: Guardiola’s success at Manchester City took off after he strengthened his coaching staff, particularly with Mikel Arteta as his assistant. Arteta, who joined in 2016, brought tactical acumen and an ability to connect with players, helping Guardiola implement his complex system. Arteta’s work on set pieces and defensive organization addressed early weaknesses. Additionally, Rodolfo Borrell and Domenec Torrent (other key assistants) contributed to refining training methods and youth development, aligning the squad with Guardiola’s vision.
  • Impact: With Arteta and others, Manchester City won multiple Premier League titles (2017–18, 2018–19, 2020–21, etc.) and achieved a Champions League title in 2023. Arteta’s role was so significant that he later became Arsenal’s head coach, demonstrating the caliber of assistant Guardiola relied on. The assistants’ ability to translate Guardiola’s philosophy into practical results was key to overcoming his initial struggles.

Bobby Cox (Baseball, Atlanta Braves)​


  • Struggles: Bobby Cox, a Hall of Fame MLB manager, had a mixed record early in his career. During his first stint with the Atlanta Braves (1978–1981), Cox posted a 266–323 record with no playoff appearances, struggling to maximize a roster with limited talent. His early tenure with the Toronto Blue Jays (1982–1985) showed improvement but no postseason success.
  • Turnaround with Assistants: When Cox returned to the Braves in 1990, he leaned heavily on a strong coaching staff, including Leo Mazzone (pitching coach) and Ned Yost (bullpen coach). Mazzone, considered one of the best pitching coaches in MLB history, transformed the Braves’ pitching staff (including Greg Maddux, Tom Glavine, and John Smoltz) into a dominant force. Mazzone’s ability to develop pitchers allowed Cox to focus on player management and in-game decisions. Yost and others complemented Cox’s “players’ manager” style, fostering a cohesive team culture.
  • Impact: With Mazzone’s expertise, the Braves won 14 consecutive division titles (1991–2005), five pennants, and a World Series in 1995. Cox’s 2,501 career wins rank fourth in MLB history, a testament to how high-level assistants like Mazzone elevated his success.

Gregg Popovich (Basketball, San Antonio Spurs)​


  • Struggles: Gregg Popovich, another NBA coaching legend, faced early challenges with the San Antonio Spurs. In his first full season as head coach (1997–98), the Spurs went 56–26 but struggled in the playoffs, losing in the second round. Popovich’s intense, no-nonsense style initially clashed with some players, and he needed help refining his approach to maximize the team’s potential.
  • Turnaround with Assistants: Popovich’s success was amplified by assistants like Mike Budenholzer, Brett Brown, and Chip Engelland. Budenholzer, who joined in 1996, helped develop the Spurs’ defensive identity and later their “beautiful game” offense, which emphasized ball movement. Brown and Engelland (a shooting specialist) were instrumental in player development, particularly with Tim Duncan, Tony Parker, and Manu Ginobili. These assistants allowed Popovich to delegate key responsibilities, such as skill development and game planning, while he focused on culture and leadership.
  • Impact: With this coaching staff, the Spurs won five NBA championships (1999, 2003, 2005, 2007, 2014) and maintained consistent excellence over two decades. Budenholzer and Brown later became successful head coaches, underscoring the quality of Popovich’s assistants. Their contributions turned the Spurs from a talented but inconsistent team into a dynasty.

Common Themes Across Sports​

  • Delegation and Specialization: In each case, high-level assistants brought specialized skills (e.g., Mazzone’s pitching expertise, Arteta’s tactical insight) that complemented the head coach’s vision, allowing them to focus on broader strategy.
  • Player Development and Culture: Assistants often bridged the gap between head coaches and players, fostering trust and implementing systems that improved performance and team cohesion.
  • Adaptability: Struggling head coaches benefited from assistants who could adapt strategies to the team’s needs, whether it was Crennel’s defensive schemes for Belichick or DeMoss’s recruiting for Summitt.
  • Evidence from Sources: The importance of assistants is echoed in coaching literature. For example, one source notes that assistant coaches are “the success or failure of a team,” emphasizing their role in executing the head coach’s vision and enhancing team performance. Another highlights how head coaches like Belichick spent years as assistants themselves, learning the value of a strong support staff.
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You are over thinking things.

Going by your theory homeless Jimmy could coach a team to a flag with great assistant coaches.

Who are these mythical assistant coaches you think of? Why haven't we got them already if that is the great solution?

Voss agreed to have Jordan Russell has a forward coach and he never played there. He agreed to have Aaron Hamill has a backline coach and he never played there. Tim Clarke has midfiled coach. Enough said.

Voss has had 3 seasons to bring in who ever he wanted to supprt him and he hasn't delivered the results.

He should have been sacked last year and now we are just going through the motions. We are not improving and need a change ASAP. If you can't see that now then you will never see it.

No band aid fixes. Thinking a couple of new assistants will turn the team around is not the solution. That's a guarantee for another wasted year.

Get a proven performer like Longmire in and start moving forward. At least we will know for sure if it's a coaching issue or a playing list issue.
 
blue healer said:
I watched the game on replay then I watched the presser and I think I watched the wrong game.
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It doesn't get in does it.
A few missed goals...something something...stats etc
 

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