Coach Michael Voss - Stats, history, articles, videos

[bourbons]

As everyone knows, we value contest and clearance, so a couple of contest stats that caught my eye:

Perhaps unexpectedly we're top of the league in stoppage clearances. However, we're 11th in centre bounce clearances - the clearance that causes most damage. When things are congested, we win, but when there's more space and pace, we are just below middle of the road. For the emphasis on clearance that's an interesting weakness (weakness relative to it being such a focus for us).

We win first possession in the contest the most in the league, at 47.6%. North Melb are 2nd, GC are 3rd and Melbourne is 4th.

In what seems like an oxymoron, we are 2nd last in converting first possession into a clearance. That doesn't mean that possession was a clearance, but rather when you win first possession that play results in a clearance.

So, we win the ball first more than anyone, yet are 2nd worst at converting that win into a clearance. For a contest team converting first possession into clearances is a weakness which feels odd, but does line up with the long-maligned lack of ability for us to go from inside to outside.

This one makes total sense imo. We have some big bodies who can crack in at the coalface and get hands on the ball, but precious few who can then make a good and quick decision nor execute it skillfully by hand or foot.

 

[SurreyBlue]

If you want another example of how our coach is failing, please see what Cox did with Sydney in an early morning sessions and what we have done with McGovern faceing *.

The guy was fully embarrassed last week by his opponent(s), yes plural and not the first time ffs, yet we have him marketing this game as a leader.

Just make the change all ready, I can’t do this anymore and I was backing Voss in a month ago.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

I have to admit, all this talk about ‘doubling down’ on a clearly flawed game plan has me genuinely concerned for Vossy and what it means for his future.

 

[branedotorg]

If you want another example of how our coach is failing, please see what Cox did with Sydney in an early morning sessions and what we have done with McGovern faceing *.

The guy was fully embarrassed last week by his opponent(s), yes plural and not the first time ffs, yet we have him marketing this game as a leader.

Just make the change all ready, I can’t do this anymore and I was backing Voss in a month ago.

He's probably the only senior player still in Melbourne, all the others have flown to parts diverse

 

[Beyond Blue]

If you want another example of how our coach is failing, please see what Cox did with Sydney in an early morning sessions and what we have done with McGovern faceing *.

The guy was fully embarrassed last week by his opponent(s), yes plural and not the first time ffs, yet we have him marketing this game as a leader.

Just make the change all ready, I can’t do this anymore and I was backing Voss in a month ago.

Cox is probably not the coach I’d be referencing to prove that Voss is failure.

 

[Mr.X]

I have to admit, all this talk about ‘doubling down’ on a clearly flawed game plan has me genuinely concerned for Vossy and what it means for his future.

I think a bad loss in any of the upcoming four games would come close to being a coach killer

 

[Opium]

I think a bad loss in any of the upcoming four games would come close to being a coach killer

I actually prefer a loss. This way we're forced on the reality that Voss isn't the coach to bring us the 17th flag unfortunately. Just to stubborn in his ways.

 

[swuzzlebubble]

I have to admit, all this talk about ‘doubling down’ on a clearly flawed game plan has me genuinely concerned for Vossy and what it means for his future.

Who's doing the talking?

 

[Gointocarlton]

Who's doing the talking?

I'd guess people on internet forums.

 

[swuzzlebubble]

I'd guess people on internet forums.

Damning

 

[myblueroan]

There was an interview this week where Weitering said Voss constantly pushes them to take risks and move the ball quickly which is funny coz it’s completely at odds with the view of most people on here who think our game plan is slow and grinding. Of course when we do this we look good and create scoring opportunities, that we sometimes take. However for whatever reason when they get a lead or if the opposition lifts the pressure they stop following instruction. You can see it happening in the game. The short kick into the corridor gets ignored for the safer “long down the line” option.

I watch 5-6 games a week and for all the debate about game plan essentially every team have the exact same game style. The difference between winning and losing is just whether the players have the ability to execute long enough to win. Even the bad sides are trying to do the same thing, they just don’t have the fitness and experience to execute. This team has been around long enough now that should not be an excuse. It seems it’s either a lack the confidence in their own skills or a lack of real genuine commitment to what they are doing. Until their mentality changes we are going to have games like tonight(& the hawks game & the dogs game & the swans game) over and over again.

Good post!
And over the years when we fall short it inevitably falls into 2 camps.
PLayers fault
Coaches fault
Chicken/egg.
(Both camps understand it's also a bit of both)
We have JAB who won't hear any other view and makes his mission belittling all who don't see it his way. 100 percent thinks our players are average and we are whiny entitled supporters.
The other camp says it's the coaches who don't bring out the best in our players...many who are talented. Poor line coaches . Old style exhausting game plan..players in possies that don't bring out their best. Poor delivery due to game structure. Poor discipline in players due to coaches not dropping players or engaging them well.

Every week Charlie is under utilised. Are we sitting down with him to figure this out?
How does he think he can improve or see the ball more often? How do we get the best out of Charlie?
It isn't just a Charlie issue is it. Because it's a team game. And the players get coached and instructed.
If Charlie is not doing what's asked then sort it out or drop him.
COACHING ISSUE!!!!!

Think about it!
How would Charlie go at a current top 4 club?

Who put Charlie in the leadership group and why?
Players decision?
Must have been a reason. Because when Charlie plays witj passion he lifts everyone. Perhaps offield he is exteemely positive and uplifting...encouraging...
We don't know!
But it isn't because Charlie is in the leadership group that we play 2 good quarters of footy each game.

Voss has said himself what he values. Contest!! Hard at it at the ball. Despite what Weiters says we've listened to Vossy. He may encourage taking the game on at times but we can all see what he favors has not been the modern game style.
Where we've placed and used players speaks to this.
If Voss is really trying to address and change mid-season then that's great.
I commend and encourage it.
Last nite did not affirm it.

 

[johnno73]

Good post!
And over the years when we fall short it inevitably falls into 2 camps.
PLayers fault
Coaches fault
Chicken/egg.
(Both camps understand it's also a bit of both)
We have JAB who won't hear any other view and makes his mission belittling all who don't see it his way. 100 percent thinks our players are average and we are whiny entitled supporters.
The other camp says it's the coaches who don't bring out the best in our players...many who are talented. Poor line coaches . Old style exhausting game plan..players in possies that don't bring out their best. Poor delivery due to game structure. Poor discipline in players due to coaches not dropping players or engaging them well.

Every week Charlie is under utilised. Are we sitting down with him to figure this out?
How does he think he can improve or see the ball more often? How do we get the best out of Charlie?
It isn't just a Charlie issue is it. Because it's a team game. And the players get coached and instructed.
If Charlie is not doing what's asked then sort it out or drop him.
COACHING ISSUE!!!!!

Think about it!
How would Charlie go at a current top 4 club?

Who put Charlie in the leadership group and why?
Players decision?
Must have been a reason. Because when Charlie plays witj passion he lifts everyone. Perhaps offield he is exteemely positive and uplifting...encouraging...
We don't know!
But it isn't because Charlie is in the leadership group that we play 2 good quarters of footy each game.

Voss has said himself what he values. Contest!! Hard at it at the ball. Despite what Weiters says we've listened to Vossy. He may encourage taking the game on at times but we can all see what he favors has not been the modern game style.
Where we've placed and used players speaks to this.
If Voss is really trying to address and change mid-season then that's great.
I commend and encourage it.
Last nite did not affirm it.

Couldn’t agree more with this.

I like Vossy and the way he presents and represents our club. I believe he’s doing his absolute best on what he thinks is best for our club.

But, he hasn’t delivered on his objective when he was first appointed: to be a consistent home and away team. We fluctuate so much in games still.
The second part that concerns me with Vossy at pressers these days, he presents like a reporter telling everyone what he’s observed at the match. I see what the top coaches are saying at pressers: identifying issues and resolute in how they can fix them.
I just don’t see Vossy having all the tools in his kit bag (brain) to get us to a Top 4 club.

 

[Gointocarlton]

Couldn’t agree more with this.

I like Vossy and the way he presents and represents our club. I believe he’s doing his absolute best on what he thinks is best for our club.

But, he hasn’t delivered on his objective when he was first appointed: to be a consistent home and away team. We fluctuate so much in games still.
The second part that concerns me with Vossy at pressers these days, he presents like a reporter telling everyone what he’s observed at the match. I see what the top coaches are saying at pressers: identifying issues and resolute in how they can fix them.
I just don’t see Vossy having all the tools in his kit bag (brain) to get us to a Top 4 club.

I wouldnt count what they say or dont say at pressers for much, its very scripted and anything not divulged is by design.

 

[myblueroan]

95 blues
Can you quit troll emojiing.

Mods..can you check out the extent to which 95blues is doing this. I thought we'd all agreed it was not ok to do this.
It's fine to disagree with words and a reasoned argument. It wears thin and we don't let oppo supporters get away with it.

 

[95blues]

95 blues
Can you quit troll emojiing.

Mods..can you check out the extent to which 95blues is doing this. I thought we'd all agreed it was mo ok to do this.
It's fine to disagree with words and a rwasoned argument. It wears thin and we don't let oppo supporters get away with it.

Here you go.

Congrats on being the subject of 0.2% of my non likes.

Next.

 

[DangerousD]

Our first quarter last game was great, good intent, good plan, dare but then disappeared as soon as the opposition gave any form of resistance. This has been the case in several of our matches.

So why? It’s clear the team is told to do certain things otherwise we wouldn’t see it, so why when any pressure comes along, do we revert to crap?

I’ve heard Nathan Buckley in the past really criticise our team for lacking basics skills and making basic mistakes and alluded to us not training the basics, so is it as simple as Voss might tell the players to take risks and hit targets but we dont train it?


I think its pretty evident that so much of our game plan is look for a short target around the ground but when we get a chance go long to Harry and Charlie for a mark or to force a stoppage, so as soon as the pressure is on, this is what we revert to and its crap.

For run and carry, dash and dare, short kicks to leading targets to be second nature, it has to be trained constantly and by all reports, this isn’t something we’ve done or do.

This is on the coach.

There’s a reason why Collingwood can kick winning scores and win a premiership with Cox, Mihocek, Mcstay and a bunch of smalls, same goes with Brisbane, put Harry or Charlie in to either of theses sides and they would be scoring with ease.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

If anyone were to step back and assess the situation and results objectively, it would be clear the coach isn’t fulfilling his role. There’s no sustainable game plan, no tactical acumen to adjust mid-game, limited player development, and what appears to be a lack of buy-in from parts of the playing group.

In any other professional setting, consistent underperformance over four years would lead to dismissal … potential or not.

But at Carlton, we seem hesitant to act, likely because of our history and the fear of being seen as “unstable”. In reality, this should be a straightforward decision, but we are looking for any other excuse under the sun so as not to blame him.

 

[CrippaTheGoat9]

If anyone were to step back and assess the situation and results objectively, it would be clear the coach isn’t fulfilling his role. There’s no sustainable game plan, no tactical acumen to adjust mid-game, limited player development, and what appears to be a lack of buy-in from parts of the playing group.

In any other professional setting, consistent underperformance over four years would lead to dismissal … potential or not.

But at Carlton, we seem hesitant to act, likely because of our history and the fear of being seen as “unstable”. In reality, this should be a straightforward decision, but we are looking for any other excuse under the sun so as not to blame him.

I agree with everything you’ve said but I don’t think Graham Wright have any issue with making the tough call on Vossy.

 

[Michael Jezz]

The surest sign Carlton can reassert itself is when we confront tbe fact our problems are multi-dimensional and don't wholly sit with the senior coach

 

[james Dean]

Here you go Vossy

https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/how-to-claim-jobseeker-payment?context=51411

 

[Irish BlueBagger]

He's a poor coach but the players are throwing him underneath the bus as well, just like what they did to Brendon Bolton and David Teague

David Teague

Age

44

Ht

186cm

Wt

90kg

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9.6

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6.2

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3.4

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3.1

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2.4

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D

5.0

1star

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3.2

2star

HB

1.8

2star

M

2.2

3star

T

1.0

3star

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[gbatman]

Like it or not, we have a 2-4 year rebuild ahead of is.

Probably a good time to begin this with a new coaching team.

 

[myblueroan]

Sakc

 

[YeoShuey]

The question is who do we replace him with?

 

[Accidental genius]

The question is who do we replace him with?

No need to just yet…take the time and find a good one