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[RAPPA]

when people resort to personal attacks - all they do is underscore their lack of rationale and those that 'like' this type of ad hominem - merely flag their own personality 'issues'.

for people on this forum most of whom struggle to open a can of tomatoes when pressed and have never played or coached at any level of competitive sport let alone contact sport to dismiss a person like Voss and to use such disgusting language - well to me - you are only part of the ugly side of crowds - the type that have inhabited coliseums in order to satisfy your base instincts and only heads on a spike will satisfy

what is amusing is that when any push back even by way of sarcasm or satire using your own words and thoughts is served back - your anger and fury is ignited - because quite frankly you can't tolerate a contrary view - you are too busy searching for validation by trying to outdo each other with angry nuffery.

You engage in similar behaviour except from the perspective that you are on the other side of the argument.

You are entitled to your view, just as anyone is. And you are validated in terms of criticising the skill execution of the players, because the game day footage is damning.

Voss’ coaching record is also damming. An overall win-loss record that is the 5th lowest in the completion; higher than 3 coaches who are either in their first or second year (Cox, Yze, Mcqualter) and Nicks. A coach that leading in to this year, has had the club put in half seasons, and where our most successful season was sparked by an external circuit breaker.

You repeatedly cite the players as the problem. Again, I don’t disagree that there are issues with the cattle, but putting solely and squarely on the players is not compatible with the team unable to switch gears or counter a change in tactic from the opponent when the game swings after quarter time. The head coach takes ownership of the product, for better or for worse.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

“They came on in the same old way, and we sent them back in the same old way.”

– The Duke of Wellington on defeating the French at Waterloo.

It’s the perfect analogy for where we are under Michael Voss.

Three years in, and we’re still running the same flawed system - a structure that only ever looked convincing during a short-lived purple patch in 2023 that turned out to be a false economy.

Voss lacks tactical acumen, shows no willingness to adapt (ironically, despite his constant talk of growth and self-development), and now it’s painfully clear: he’s lost the playing group.

Change isn’t just necessary … it’s urgent!

 

[Stickitupthem]

It’s like bad marriage you keep going day in day out and try to to make it work even though you know it won’t
When it finally ends and the bricks come off your shoulders you feel relief
And then question why you didn’t do it ages ago

 

[JustaBattler]

You engage in similar behaviour except from the perspective that you are on the other side of the argument.

You are entitled to your view, just as anyone is. And you are validated in terms of criticising the skill execution of the players, because the game day footage is damning.

Voss’ coaching record is also damming. An overall win-loss record that is the 5th lowest in the completion; higher than 3 coaches who are either in their first or second year (Cox, Yze, Mcqualter) and Nicks. A coach that leading in to this year, has had the club put in half seasons, and where our most successful season was sparked by an external circuit breaker.

You repeatedly cite the players as the problem. Again, I don’t disagree that there are issues with the cattle, but putting solely and squarely on the players is not compatible with the team unable to switch gears or counter a change in tactic from the opponent when the game swings after quarter time. The head coach takes ownership of the product, for better or for worse.

You and your type like to speak in generalities and make up narratives about what people with different views post - sans specificity. Thsi type of discussion l put differences into erteme polarised camps - because basically- apart from W/L and total responsibility for W/L placed soley on the shoulders of a coach - you have nothing to say.

How dare I uggest that sackkinhg acoach won tfiux what is teh problem at Carlton with W/L - and that is that too many players just aren't to beating their opponents over 4 quarters - how DARE I!


LOL @ you whisperers and ranters.

 

[Faz 2000]

I think Voss is in a world of trouble. The natives are going full feral (that’s us, btw). Sacrifices must be made.

The question mark on Voss coming in was whether he had the tactical nous. That has resoundingly been answered that no, he does not. The game style is out of date. There’s a painful, slow motion sense of predictability and inevitability when watching us play. Inflexible. No flair. No creativity. It’s not good. That’s on more than just Voss, but the whole coaching panel and selection committee.

But clearly the issues go beyond coaching, too. Whilst Voss is almost certainly going to be cast into the Carlton volcano of ex coaches, far broader change is needed. We can keep sacrificing coaches but it won’t fix our club on its own.

For starters:

1. Coaching team overhaul
2. Major list renovations
3. Medical/fitness team that knows something about due diligence (Williams, Martin, Marchbank…), injury management (Walsh, McKay, Curnow, McGovern)
4. List management that has heard of the stock market (buy low, sell high)

 

[jackn]

when people resort to personal attacks - all they do is underscore their lack of rationale and those that 'like' this type of ad hominem - merely flag their own personality 'issues'.

for people on this forum most of whom struggle to open a can of tomatoes when pressed and have never played or coached at any level of competitive sport let alone contact sport to dismiss a person like Voss and to use such disgusting language - well to me - you are only part of the ugly side of crowds - the type that have inhabited coliseums in order to satisfy your base instincts and only heads on a spike will satisfy

what is amusing is that when any push back even by way of sarcasm or satire using your own words and thoughts is served back - your anger and fury is ignited - because quite frankly you can't tolerate a contrary view - you are too busy searching for validation by trying to outdo each other with angry nuffery.

Personal attacks? I made a joke about you being drunk based on the unusually large number of typos in your post and your belief in voss' coaching. "My fury ignited"? I'm jealous of the zen like state you must constantly be exposed to if anything I've ever said is considered ignited fury.

I apologise if my fury was too much, but no need to worry as I am only really a match day poster so you can relax until next weekend

 

[RAPPA]

You and your type like to speak in generalities and make up narratives about what people with different views post - sans specificity. Thsi type of discussion l put differences into erteme polarised camps - because basically- apart from W/L and total responsibility for W/L placed soley on the shoulders of a coach - you have nothing to say.

How dare I uggest that sackkinhg acoach won tfiux what is teh problem at Carlton with W/L - and that is that too many players just aren't to beating their opponents over 4 quarters - how DARE I!


LOL @ you whisperers and ranters.

Did I criticise you for that view? “You and your type”. Spare me with your sanctimonious posts. You are no better than the posters you are taking aim at. Wait, let me say that in your preferred means - YoU R nO Betta ThN DA POsTas U r TaKINg aim @

 

[jackn]

Throughout his tenure at Brisbane (5 years) and carlton (4 years), 2012 and 2023 are the only years where his team's won more games than the year prior. His coaching is a game of snakes and ladders with a bunch of misprints to increase the difficulty.

Nobody is naive enough to think he's the only problem (not even the biggest one, Lloyd), but he's one of them.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

I'd liek to hear from the flawed system mouthers what a non flawed system looks liek and what players has he got that can play to a non flawed system -is the non flawed system the modern game? Is it plan B maybe or a cmbination of non flawed modern and Plan B?


As for lost players what have they got to show for their pre lost players mindset exactly? As collective they are bunch of front running losers pea hearts - conditional, anxiety ridden babies.

Cant kick a simple 30 meter set shot- VOSS!!

You’re boiling a complex problem down to something far too simple. Every club coughs up skill errors and shanks gettable shots, but what’s happening here runs deeper - it’s systemic.

Our game plan revolves around bruising contested footy, which drags our small and high half-forwards deep into defence to patch holes. They end up spent, which breeds turnovers, skill errors and soft-tissue injuries. When we actually open the game up (running, carrying, linking with forward handballs) we look our most dangerous.

When the general consensus amongst the fans (including neutral) and the media are all pointing to the same issue … it tends to be the uncomfortable reality.

 

[JustaBattler]

You’re boiling a complex problem down to something far too simple. Every club coughs up skill errors and shanks gettable shots, but what’s happening here runs deeper - it’s systemic.

Our game plan revolves around bruising contested footy, which drags our small and high half-forwards deep into defence to patch holes. They end up spent, which breeds turnovers, skill errors and soft-tissue injuries. When we actually open the game up (running, carrying, linking with forward handballs) we look our most dangerous.

When the general consensus amongst the fans (including neutral) and the media are all pointing to the same issue … it tends to be the uncomfortable reality.

ask yourself WHY this is a feature of the current game plan - and maybe the conclusion isnt Voss STOOPID sack - now have a look at how most teams play ( for the same reasons) the same way ( for the same reasons) - and then (likje me) you will end up looking at the cattle he has at his disposal - btw Carlton's level of kicking ability between arcs and in forward fifty is bottom 2 - that isnt part of any game plan accounts fo 90% of fail on field - again - cattle.

 

[95blues]

You’re boiling a complex problem down to something far too simple. Every club coughs up skill errors and shanks gettable shots, but what’s happening here runs deeper - it’s systemic.

Our game plan revolves around bruising contested footy, which drags our small and high half-forwards deep into defence to patch holes. They end up spent, which breeds turnovers, skill errors and soft-tissue injuries. When we actually open the game up (running, carrying, linking with forward handballs) we look our most dangerous.

When the general consensus amongst the fans (including neutral) and the media are all pointing to the same issue … it tends to be the uncomfortable reality.

We do look more dangerous with the run its true.

But when the poor users inevitably give it back to the opposition it gets run back twice as fast and we're too slow to defend.

The gameplan (as average as it may be) is literally built for our big bodied slow footed poor skilled list.

 

[carlton_99]

We do look more dangerous with the run its true.

But when the poor users inevitably give it back to the opposition it gets run back twice as fast and we're too slow to defend.

The gameplan (as average as it may be) is literally built for our big bodied slow footed poor skilled list.

The issue is we have turned a lot of players into that. Walsh and Cerra should be outside midfielders spreading from the contest. Why are they getting sucked into the contest consistently hunting the ball when we have Cripps/Hewett to do that role? Why didn't we see any Elijah Hollands midfield minutes when he was in the team to balance out our CBA rotation? We move on Kennedy to become more dynamic in the midfield and then essentially get Cerra to play the same role.

There is definitely room on the list for more pace and quality ball users. That cannot be questioned. But I don't believe the current list as it is is being maximised with the way we play.

 

[Aphrodite]

Play nice thanks folks and NO PERSONAL ATTACKS unless you want to lose your account for 1 week!

 

[Beyond Blue]

You’re boiling a complex problem down to something far too simple. Every club coughs up skill errors and shanks gettable shots, but what’s happening here runs deeper - it’s systemic.

Our game plan revolves around bruising contested footy, which drags our small and high half-forwards deep into defence to patch holes. They end up spent, which breeds turnovers, skill errors and soft-tissue injuries. When we actually open the game up (running, carrying, linking with forward handballs) we look our most dangerous.

When the general consensus amongst the fans (including neutral) and the media are all pointing to the same issue … it tends to be the uncomfortable reality.

We only do this when we lose the contest and territory and pretty much every side in the league does the same thing. It’s part and parcel of the modern game. The difference is other sides have guys like Heeney, Bailey, Rayner, Hill, Miers, Stengle, Daniels, Rankine, Rachelle, McDonald, Watson, Pickett etc capable of finishing off the work with a goal. Unfortunately we have Durdin, Motlop, Fogarty, Evans, White etc who cannot finish unless they literally walk it into the goal square. The fact we do not execute simple skills and do not follow instructions is a far bigger deal.

Last week against the Eagles in the second quarter there was a passage of 3 plays within 5 minutes of each other where we had the ball on wing/half forward in a really good spot to score and had an easy target inside 50m or close to the 50m line. Twice the player ignored the free man, on both cases it was Acres who was ignored (and he was livid), and bombed it long to a contest close to goal and it didn’t result in a goal. Then Acres returned the favour the next time he got it and did exactly the same thing he was aggrieved with and bombed it long. After the Acres kick the camera flashed to Voss in the box and he was livid, literally pointing to the free player inside 50 where the kick should have gone.

 

[95blues]

The issue is we have turned a lot of players into that. Walsh and Cerra should be outside midfielders spreading from the contest. Why are they getting sucked into the contest consistently hunting the ball when we have Cripps/Hewett to do that role? Why didn't we see any Elijah Hollands midfield minutes when he was in the team to balance out our CBA rotation? We move on Kennedy to become more dynamic in the midfield and then essentially get Cerra to play the same role.

There is definitely room on the list for more pace and quality ball users. That cannot be questioned. But I don't believe the current list as it is is being maximised with the way we play.

There's a queue a mile long at Carlton for CBAs. And its dangerous ground when you start designating inside/outside guys. You end up with the Bryce Gibbs mentality of being "better/above" the contested guys.

Also guys like Walsh/Cerra dont sign/re-sign without guarantees around role and position. Walshy doesnt WANT to be running past for 12 handball receives per game. He wants to be the guy getting it himself 30 times a game.

 

[carlton_99]

There's a queue a mile long at Carlton for CBAs. And its dangerous ground when you start designating inside/outside guys. You end up with the Bryce Gibbs mentality of being "better/above" the contested guys.

Also guys like Walsh/Cerra dont sign/re-sign without guarantees around role and position. Walshy doesnt WANT to be running past for 12 handball receives per game. He wants to be the guy getting it himself 30 times a game.

It's not about designating inside/outside guys. It's about maximising the strengths of the players you have at your disposal and making sure you have some balance around the ball.

I have heard Walsh in a press conference earlier this year say they are aware that they get sucked into the contest too much. And yet what change relayed to system or personnel have we seen since in that midfield group? Zero. And I am not absolving the players of blame - I have been very critical of them as well.

I also don't think you need to be an inside mid to get the ball 30 times if that's important to a player (which it shouldn't be). The modern day game is becoming more about transition every year. And we are not maximising the strengths of two or three potentially elite transition midfielders currently.

 

[95blues]

It's not about designating inside/outside guys. It's about maximising the strengths of the players you have at your disposal and making sure you have some balance around the ball.

I have heard Walsh in a press conference earlier this year say they are aware that they get sucked into the contest too much. And yet what change relayed to system or personnel have we seen since in that midfield group? Zero. And I am not absolving the players of blame - I have been very critical of them as well.

I also don't think you need to be an inside mid to get the ball 30 times if that's important to a player (which it shouldn't be). The modern day game is becoming more about transition every year. And we are not maximising the strengths of two or three potentially elite transition midfielders currently.

If a player/s like Walsh is admitting to getting sucked into the contest too much that sounds to me like a player discipline issue no? You dont change the gameplan to support poor player discipline.

Possessions and stats absolutely are important to the players. This is the boxscore/fantasy football generation.

Personally i don't think we have the cattle for transition footy. We're in this no mans land of lack of speed and quality disposal across the middle of the ground to makr it work. You can have average disposal if you have some speed to recover, you cant have sverage speed AND disposal.

I think we're about 5-6 starting 18 chsnges away from being a serious threat. But unfortunately i also think 2 of those need to be mids which means moving a Cerra/Hewitt/Walsh

 

[carlton_99]

If a player/s like Walsh is admitting to getting sucked into the contest too much that sounds to me like a player discipline issue no? You dont change the gameplan to support poor player discipline.

Possessions and stats absolutely are important to the players. This is the boxscore/fantasy football generation.

Personally i don't think we have the cattle for transition footy. We're in this no mans land of lack of speed and quality disposal across the middle of the ground to makr it work. You can have average disposal if you have some speed to recover, you cant have sverage speed AND disposal.

I think we're about 5-6 starting 18 chsnges away from being a serious threat. But unfortunately i also think 2 of those need to be mids which means moving a Cerra/Hewitt/Walsh

He was referring to the midfield group as a whole. It's clear the coaches had identified the issue but I can't see any adjustments to system around the ball or the personnel they put there to show any attempt to solve the problem. And as you said its on the players as well.

I dont think moving on Cerra and Walsh helps anything. They are the ones capable of playing transition football at a high level. Moving them on makes it even more difficult to get better in that area.

 

[95blues]

He was referring to the midfield group as a whole. It's clear the coaches had identified the issue but I can't see any adjustments to system around the ball or the personnel they put there to show any attempt to solve the problem. And as you said its on the players as well.

I dont think moving on Cerra and Walsh helps anything. They are the ones capable of playing transition football at a high level. Moving them on makes it even more difficult to get better in that area.

And i think Hewitt recently re-signed too.

I'd settle for a couple of pacey wings and i dont mean a speed starved Carlton definition of pace in Cottrell. Some genuine speed there, a quality pocket/crumber and a half forward or two that can hit a target and we're good!

 

[carlton_99]

And i think Hewitt recently re-signed too.

I'd settle for a couple of pacey wings and i dont mean a speed starved Carlton definition of pace in Cottrell. Some genuine speed there, a quality pocket/crumber and a half forward or two that can hit a target and we're good!

I think those types of list changes are definitely needed so we agree on that. I just would be hesitant on moving on players that can play transition football to do it.

 

[Mr.X]

If the players are following Voss’ plan then he needs to go. If the players aren’t following his plan then he needs to go.

Fellow Bluebaggers,

The post above says it all, and has pretty much sealed Vossy's fate.

We, media and everyone else can analyze, debate, and discuss it as much as we like, however as brilliantly articulated in Bluesince62's post, he must go.

 

[Blue1980]

when people resort to personal attacks - all they do is underscore their lack of rationale and those that 'like' this type of ad hominem - merely flag their own personality 'issues'.

for people on this forum most of whom struggle to open a can of tomatoes when pressed and have never played or coached at any level of competitive sport let alone contact sport to dismiss a person like Voss and to use such disgusting language - well to me - you are only part of the ugly side of crowds - the type that have inhabited coliseums in order to satisfy your base instincts and only heads on a spike will satisfy

what is amusing is that when any push back even by way of sarcasm or satire using your own words and thoughts is served back - your anger and fury is ignited - because quite frankly you can't tolerate a contrary view - you are too busy searching for validation by trying to outdo each other with angry nuffery.

I’ve seen this movie before and there’s always someone not wanting a coach sacked, like ever under any circumstances, and you are it now. I’m sure there were people who thought Mark Neeld just needed time.

Thing is Voss just isn’t a good coach. There are other issues at the club, but he is one of them himself.

 

[Blue1980]

Is there anything in the fact that you’ve had Ratten, MM, Bolton, Teague, Voss and nothing has changed? I mean these guys can’t all be bad coaches or not up to it, there has to be something deeper happening because this goes back 15 years where nothing has really got better.

Your list is actually incredible. You have some of the most capable players in the AFL but it hasn’t galvanised into anything. Surely the members start calling for change in head office.

It’s column a and b. Though calling out list incredible is surely satire.

Melbourne turned things around by getting Jackson and also Roos who understood you needed an entire football department of quality and on the same page. If we do down the Longmire path i think and hope he’d look at it similarly and look to have succession plans etc.

 

[demondavey]

It’s column a and b. Though calling out list incredible is surely satire.

Melbourne turned things around by getting Jackson and also Roos who understood you needed an entire football department of quality and on the same page. If we do down the Longmire path i think and hope he’d look at it similarly and look to have succession plans etc.

Your list is excellent. If we’d have a McKay or Curnow we might have won a premiership in 2023.

 

[Blue1980]

You and your type like to speak in generalities and make up narratives about what people with different views post - sans specificity. Thsi type of discussion l put differences into erteme polarised camps - because basically- apart from W/L and total responsibility for W/L placed soley on the shoulders of a coach - you have nothing to say.

How dare I uggest that sackkinhg acoach won tfiux what is teh problem at Carlton with W/L - and that is that too many players just aren't to beating their opponents over 4 quarters - how DARE I!


LOL @ you whisperers and ranters.

So what would it take for you to think Voss isn’t up to it? Anything? Should we just give him a 15 year contract in the name of “stability”?