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[JustaBattler]

I don’t think it’s just Voss and I don’t think it’s just the players, I want changes to both coaching and playing personnel.

Give me a better coach and better list and I am 100% in favour. I would say Voss takes 30% responsibility and players can wear the 70% .

In order for Wright to make a big difference he is going to have to manage 2-3 BS superstars who arent and plug some holes in the list - his job would probably be easier with a bigger name coach and a better coaching line up.

It is a tall order to accomplish in one off season - he will need to have a better coach up his sleeve to facilitate the type of change required from here.

 

[RAPPA]

Apparently a 2 time Brownlow medalists fault. He’s clearly playing hurt again, like Charlie, Weiters and Acres are.

Only thing I could criticise about him (other thank kicking) is that the “get on my shoulders and I’ll carry you over” style inspires through actions but may not necessarily demand standards. It creates complacency and a thought of “well, if we are in the $hit then our captain will step up and bail us out”. He’s no Hodge or Pendles. But we’d be utterly cactus without him and frankly there haven’t been many candidates for the role at the club imo. The left field would’ve been Newman.

 

[95blues]

Give me a better coach and better list and I am 100% in favour. I would say Voss takes 30% responsibility and players can wear the 70% .

In order for Wright to make a big difference he is going to have to manage 2-3 BS superstars who arent and plug some holes in the list - his job would probably be easier with a bigger name coach and a better coaching line up.

It is a tall order to accomplish in one off season - he will need to have a better coach up his sleeve to facilitate the type of change required from here.

I'm similar.

I certainly wont cry if he goes. But for once in my life id like to see Carlton players held accountable.

System or not, its not Voss kicking the footy.

I genuinely believe this list performs the same under any coach.

And mark it down, whoever the new coach is.. he'll tear this list apart. And that in itself will confirm everything.

 

[95blues]

Only thing I could criticise about him (other thank kicking) is that the “get on my shoulders and I’ll carry you over” style inspires through actions but may not necessarily demand standards. It creates complacency and a thought of “well, if we are in the $hit then our captain will step up and bail us out”. He’s no Hodge or Pendles. But we’d be utterly cactus without him and frankly there haven’t been many candidates for the role at the club imo. The left field would’ve been Newman.

He's just like Juddy.

"Watch me win this for you lads" instead of bringing the team with him.

Its such a small difference too. Instead of fending off 8 players and bombing it.. handpass to Ollie and lay out the chaser (legally). Suddenly everyones inspired.

 

[lones37]

In my opinion, the problem is two fold, and it is all on Voss, he is playing a game style that is no longer relevant, and he has built his list around contested footy whilst the rest of the competition has moved to a transition game. And this is why Carlton are where they are, I have lived through similar periods in the past under Buckley and Shaw, and eventually the end comes because I think the players have no faith in the game plan. That is what it looks like when I watch them play, no intensity, or unable to run in the second half due to the heavy contest work in the first half.

I have mentioned this before, Carlton needs a coaching panel that has been involved in premierships. Granted, Voss was one of the all time great premiership captains, but I think they need recent premierships, so I would look at Richmond, Geelong or Collingwood and grab someone untried from these programs. The list build is going to need to be changed, players with outside run need to be a priority if you are to become competitive with the best teams. Personally, I would keep Harry and trade Charlie, firstly because he has more currency, but secondly because I don't think his intensity is high enough in a sustainable level.

At the end of the day, it is about winning flags, and there a lot of teams who will compete and maybe reach week 2 of finals, but are unlikely to be there when it counts. I think Graham Wright is the first piece that gets the club back on track, and I believe he will be plotting his moves already as he did in 2021 when he came to us. I think he knows Voss is done, he got us McRae and he will find you the best available coach, so from that point of view you are in good hands to see some meaningful change.

 

[GT619]

He came in as a not particularly strong tactical coach but a great motivator, so I imagine he'd have to be a bit worried for his job at the moment

isn't the head of football meant to surround him with better tactical assistance to help him or does voss do it his way and not listen

 

[Faz 2000]

isn't the head of football meant to surround him with better tactical assistance to help him or does voss do it his way and not listen

Might be a club defining question.

Clearly it’s ****ed. But exactly why is hard to tell from the outside.

 

[jj1978]

isn't the head of football meant to surround him with better tactical assistance to help him or does voss do it his way and not listen

I’d like to be in the room when GW tells Lloyd how he rates him as a head of football.

 

[Flaggers22]

If it's the players that are largely the problem, then you would expect our issues to largely be the same from year to year. If the disposal is poor because we have a list of poor kicks then you would expect that to be the narrative every year. Except it isn't. In 2023 they talked about our inability to generate other means of scoring outside of stoppage, like turnover, or defensive half transition. Last year we fixed our turnover game, but were the easiest team to score against after losing a stoppage, and everyone was fixated on our defense. This year everyone is talking about our inefficiency going inside 50, and our inability to take care of the ball.

So is it the players? In 2022 we had the 4th highest disposal efficiency in the comp at 76%, in 2023 we were 6th at 73.2%, in 2024 we were 11th at 72.6% and now we're 18th at 70.1%. If it's the players then why have we regressed when the core group has remained largely the same?

To me the inability to stitch together a cohesive and consistent statistical profile points moreso to issues within the system rather than the players being incompetent. Obviously you have to account for personnel changes that might effect these outputs, but those differences are only going to be marginal. Our core under Voss is largely the same as it was when he took over, in fact we've actively tried to add better users to the list, yet our disposal has still regressed.

I think the only solution is to sack him, and to do it in the next 3 weeks. Moving sooner rather than later enables us to get a head start on other clubs that might look for a new coach. It also gives us time to get games into kids, so the new coach will have a better idea of what they're working with.

 

[Beyond Blue]

Only thing I could criticise about him (other thank kicking) is that the “get on my shoulders and I’ll carry you over” style inspires through actions but may not necessarily demand standards. It creates complacency and a thought of “well, if we are in the $hit then our captain will step up and bail us out”. He’s no Hodge or Pendles. But we’d be utterly cactus without him and frankly there haven’t been many candidates for the role at the club imo. The left field would’ve been Newman.

How the **** has Crippa been a disaster as a captain???

He isn’t a disaster but he is unquestionably part of the problem. It feels like shooting Bambi because he is such a wholehearted competitor but it’s irrefutable that he cannot do it all himself - it’s impossible - but the evidence is unfortunately when games get tight he tends to panic and goes into hero mode where he tries to do too much. Conversely when he simplifies his role we are at our best. When we won 9 in a row he didn’t have more than 30 possessions in any one of those games.

 

[Coona Blues]

Apparently a 2 time Brownlow medalists fault. He’s clearly playing hurt again, like Charlie, Weiters and Acres are.

If anyone is playing with more than very minor injuries it is on the coaches and our medicos.

 

[Stamos]

Carlton are not about to sack Voss, but don’t expect him to be their coach in 2026

The Blues had one good 12-month stretch under Michael Voss. But there has been misery either side of that preliminary final appearance.

www.theage.com.au

https://archive.md/a2uI0

Carlton’s Michael Voss era distils to 12 great months bookended by confusion, inertia and disappointment

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

when people resort to personal attacks - all they do is underscore their lack of rationale and those that 'like' this type of ad hominem - merely flag their own personality 'issues'.

for people on this forum most of whom struggle to open a can of tomatoes when pressed and have never played or coached at any level of competitive sport let alone contact sport to dismiss a person like Voss and to use such disgusting language - well to me - you are only part of the ugly side of crowds - the type that have inhabited coliseums in order to satisfy your base instincts and only heads on a spike will satisfy

what is amusing is that when any push back even by way of sarcasm or satire using your own words and thoughts is served back - your anger and fury is ignited - because quite frankly you can't tolerate a contrary view - you are too busy searching for validation by trying to outdo each other with angry nuffery.

I've repped NSW in m9re than 1 sport, I've coached at similar levels, I've got a masters in a core science, almost finished my CPA and run my own successful business. I'm 31. I qualify to open tomato tins and my relevant experiences are actually recent... I want him gone. He's not a good enoigh head coach. Assistant was probably the ceiling. Even if he understands the game its nqot enough...

I don't think I've seen many boofheads succeed as head coaches.... Ever...


But maybe he could've succeeded in a club that didn't play bullshit behind the scenes with rusted on ****sticks playing ego because they've got nothing else. The board, cook and the direction setters should be gone. Unfortunately for Voss they weren't deleted early enough and so he's going down Too

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

If it's the players that are largely the problem, then you would expect our issues to largely be the same from year to year. If the disposal is poor because we have a list of poor kicks then you would expect that to be the narrative every year. Except it isn't. In 2023 they talked about our inability to generate other means of scoring outside of stoppage, like turnover, or defensive half transition. Last year we fixed our turnover game, but were the easiest team to score against after losing a stoppage, and everyone was fixated on our defense. This year everyone is talking about our inefficiency going inside 50, and our inability to take care of the ball.

So is it the players? In 2022 we had the 4th highest disposal efficiency in the comp at 76%, in 2023 we were 6th at 73.2%, in 2024 we were 11th at 72.6% and now we're 18th at 70.1%. If it's the players then why have we regressed when the core group has remained largely the same?

To me the inability to stitch together a cohesive and consistent statistical profile points moreso to issues within the system rather than the players being incompetent. Obviously you have to account for personnel changes that might effect these outputs, but those differences are only going to be marginal. Our core under Voss is largely the same as it was when he took over, in fact we've actively tried to add better users to the list, yet our disposal has still regressed.

I think the only solution is to sack him, and to do it in the next 3 weeks. Moving sooner rather than later enables us to get a head start on other clubs that might look for a new coach. It also gives us time to get games into kids, so the new coach will have a better idea of what they're working with.

Inconsistency is the hallmark of poor coaching

 

[blues4flag]

I've repped NSW in m9re than 1 sport, I've coached at similar levels, I've got a masters in a core science, almost finished my CPA and run my own successful business. I'm 31. I qualify to open tomato tins and my relevant experiences are actually recent... I want him gone. He's not a good enoigh head coach. Assistant was probably the ceiling. Even if he understands the game its nqot enough...

I don't think I've seen many boofheads succeed as head coaches.... Ever...


But maybe he could've succeeded in a club that didn't play bullshit behind the scenes with rusted on ****sticks playing ego because they've got nothing else. The board, cook and the direction setters should be gone. Unfortunately for Voss they weren't deleted early enough and so he's going down Too

Even if that is true, how many variables can you change at once and expect any level of continuity or success?

We've brought in a new CEO with excellent football credentials.

It's blatantly obvious that Lloyd has been an abject failure as head of football and should be the first out the door. A former coach like Longmire or Hinkley could excel in this role.

Not sure what Diesel has brought to the table as director of football beyond the occasional skills session. An uninspiring selection at the time and like Lloyd, he's disappeared into the background. Bartel or similar would be ideal.

We've just changed high performance and seem to have a reduction in soft tissue injuries.

Our renewed investment in development post COVID is starting to bear fruit with a number of our youngsters banging down the door. I wouldn't be making any changes here.

Nick Austin gets a lot of blame but I think he's done a decent job all things considered. The main failing I can level his way is playing it safe at trade time, but that could be a byproduct of our salary cap. Full faith in Wright to complement him with list management strategy.

Which leaves Voss. I don't think Voss is a great coach, but he's a good motivator, has conviction and doesn't seem to crumble under pressure (unlike his predecessor).

For all his supposed failings, he's as hungry for success as anyone in football. He's a cultural counterpoint to most at our club, who seem happy to go through the motions and get a paycheck.

In that regard, he's similar to Wright and hopefully whoever we bring in to replace Lloyd and Diesel. A leadership hierarchy demanding success and nipping any player driven dissent in the bud.


All that said, public opinion might be the end of Voss. If the club does intend to give him another contract, this is the week to handover to Wright and get him to publically back in the club. This is the week to formally announce Lloyd will be moving on and that a process has begun to find his replacement.

 

[agro]

I've repped NSW in m9re than 1 sport, I've coached at similar levels, I've got a masters in a core science, almost finished my CPA and run my own successful business. I'm 31. I qualify to open tomato tins and my relevant experiences are actually recent... I want him gone. He's not a good enoigh head coach. Assistant was probably the ceiling. Even if he understands the game its nqot enough...

I don't think I've seen many boofheads succeed as head coaches.... Ever...


But maybe he could've succeeded in a club that didn't play bullshit behind the scenes with rusted on ****sticks playing ego because they've got nothing else. The board, cook and the direction setters should be gone. Unfortunately for Voss they weren't deleted early enough and so he's going down Too

You might just be qualified to say - you can stay.

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

We've brought in a new CEO with excellent football credentials.

Credentials are meaningless, he's the epitome of what you accuse others of... Just take a paycheck don't rock the boat then leave.... He was done before moving across. He admitted this himself....

It's blatantly obvious that Lloyd has been an abject failure as head of football and should be the first out the door. A former coach like Longmire or Hinkley could excel in this role.

So Cook had time to figure that out no...?


Many many clubs have huge changes then go and win a flag or turn around their 'fortunes'. Just look at the pies.... Turmoil and nonsense from like 2018-2021

For all his supposed failings, he's as hungry for success as anyone in football. He's a cultural counterpoint to most at our club, who seem happy to go through the motions and get a paycheck.

No evidence for this at all. No evidence that he's not in it for Voss. Or 'Voss is about Voss' as I've been directly told by people in coaching teams at other clubs.

All that said, public opinion might be the end of Voss.

No. No it won't...

Performance, both absolute and relative to expectations will be the reasons he's gone.

 

[kreuze_missile]

Press conference 10am tomorrow.

 

[blues4flag]

Credentials are meaningless, he's the epitome of what you accuse others of... Just take a paycheck don't rock the boat then leave.... He was done before moving across. He admitted this himself....

I was referring to Wright...in hindsight Cook clearly had no appetite to go after the football department. He did get the off field in order which does give Wright clear air to focus on football.

Many many clubs have huge changes then go and win a flag or turn around their 'fortunes'. Just look at the pies.... Turmoil and nonsense from like 2018-2021

They made finals 2018 to 2020, including losing a grand final by less than a kick. If that's turmoil and nonsense, I'll take some of that.

No evidence for this at all. No evidence that he's not in it for Voss. Or 'Voss is about Voss' as I've been directly told by people in coaching teams at other clubs.

No. No it won't...

Performance, both absolute and relative to expectations will be the reasons he's gone.

It's the same line of thinking that saw Ratten sacked and Malthouse brought in. Everything bad at Carlton is due to coach, everything good is due to the players. We're a broken club with zero faith in the people we appoint.

Speaking of relevant experiences, I've worked for multiple start-ups, where the literal existence of the company is dependant on success and performance. I've seen a lot. Singular focus on fundamentally flawed strategy thwarting the efforts of hardworking, talented people. Constantly changing focus, always chasing the next shiny thing instead of grinding away. Incredibly competent and driven individuals who tear teams apart through blame and an inability to trust or delegate. Great products with excellent market fit, let down by people in key positions happy to get a paycheck. Great products and a great team who are now the global leader in their industry.

Success is never down to one individual, but one individual can absolutely thwart success. Give me the driven individual desperate for success, able to absorb pressure without pointing the finger, over the checked out, lazy indifference or flat out incompetency of those above him (and large portions of our playing group).

Again, I'm not sure if he's the right man for the job, but he's someone we can work with while we change the variables around him that absolutely aren't for for purpose.

 

[Soapy V]

Bottom line is for three years Voss has built a game plan based on contest and defence. Right or Wrong it has failed badly and we have gotten worse over time. The players have now given up on this.

The End

 

[agro]

Press conference 10am tomorrow.

Announcement of new GM of Football?

 

[95blues]

Bottom line is for three years Voss has built a game plan based on contest and defence. Right or Wrong it has failed badly and we have gotten worse over time. The players have now given up on this.

The End

Close the Forum. It has been decided.

 

[Pixelshooter]

At this point, I'm not sure a new head coach is going to fix much. Our problems clearly run much deeper.

If it was up to me, I'd be keeping him to at least see out the rest of his contract, on the proviso he opens himself up to considering other opinions. He strikes me as a pretty stubborn bloke, and this can often lead to delusion.

I'd get rid of Lloyd yesterday. And I'd also move on Hamill, Russell and Clarke as assistants at the end of the season...and if at all possible, bring in some seasoned Assistants who have been at successful clubs. I'd also try and bring in a former head coach to give Voss some support. Someone like Longmire would be perfect, but chances of him doing a job like that are pretty low.

 

[Soapy V]

At this point, I'm not sure a new head coach is going to fix much. Our problems clearly run much deeper.

If it was up to me, I'd be keeping him to at least see out the rest of his contract, on the proviso he opens himself up to considering other opinions. He strikes me as a pretty stubborn bloke, and this can often lead to delusion.

I'd get rid of Lloyd yesterday. And I'd also move on Hamill, Russell and Clarke as assistants at the end of the season...and if at all possible, bring in some seasoned Assistants who have been at successful clubs. I'd also try and bring in a former head coach to give Voss some support. Someone like Longmire would be perfect, but chances of him doing a job like that are pretty low.

Whilst I 100% agree, just moving on the coach won't change much it now needs to happen.

He is done. He has lost the players and importantly is tactically inept. He cannot come back from this and this includes our entire coaching panel

With Wright coming in we need change and a clear NEW direction. He needs to have his people who he trusts. This club has an issue around standards and expectations. Chipping away won't help. It is time for change

Our coaching, development and recruiting all need major changes. IMO the Head of Football is the most vital and needs to happen first

 

[bmaurizio]

Agree a change of head coach and assistants has to happen, a new direction, system and game plan are needed. Vossy’s has shown over 4 years he’s tactically inept and now looks to have lost the players.
Players disenchanted or just uncommitted. Supporters bitterly disappointed and disillusioned.
The club must rise above the current sentiments and quagmire.
Graham Wright has the reputation of having a great feel for talent be it in football administration and operations and on field playing ability too.
Hopefully he’ll be the watershed moment and launch our long awaited renewal and gradual transformation into a modern system of committed , fast , skillful footy team.