Coach Michael Voss - Stats, history, articles, videos

[JustaBattler]

You're assuming things that aren't true.

I believe, based on most posts I have read, that people understand the issues and enormity of the task. No one is taking this lightly. You are making points that are factually incorrect. IMO discussion has been good and balanced. Better than most

As for my POV on agendas. If you not interested then don't read them. Not hard

I'm responding to YOU quoting me and shoving your agenda down my throat- so lets get that right for starters. I'm not interested in your narrative about how much you read or don't read the forum either or your opinion about what is good and balanced and what isn't - it is pretty clear to me that all you care about is your agenda - and everyone knows what it has been and is.

fini.

 

[Soapy V]

Unless you’re counting caretakers, then it will be 4 coaches in 10 years, not 5.

And if he does gat sacked, then it is not a knee jerk decision. 12 months ago we were 2nd on the ladder and primed for a flag. It has been an utter disaster since then, and he had a whole preseason to turn things around. Instead we got demonstrably worse.

If Wright makes the call to sack him, I will be completely comfortable with the decision.

No one likes to sack a coach. It's proof we are failing

Issue is you can't keep one that isn't working.

Problem is we are selecting wrong ones and not supporting them properly and haven't for 30 years

 

[Soapy V]

I'm responding to YOU quoting me and shoving your agenda down my throat- so lets get that right for starters. I'm not interested in your narrative about how much you read or don't read the forum either or your opinion about what is good and balanced and what isn't - it is pretty clear to me that all you care about is your agenda - and everyone knows what it has been and is.

fini.

Really? Then don't read them. Simple

 

[Jatz]

Thank god for the mute option.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

I understand your points and they are fair

Where I differ (with most on here) is I don't think we need a major rebuild, but more of a reset.

Agreed, I'm not advocating for a full rebuild where we trade every one of our "valuable stars".

But TDK, Harry and Walsh I believe need to go.

TDK because he's chasing too much money
Harry because he is the one we can afford to lose the most who can get us the most return (imo)
Walsh because he looks checked out.. I know he's a favourite of many on here, but his undisciplined play and wasteful ball use tells me he doesn't really want to be here anymore so adios.

Our list has ability and I don't think Voss has got close to the best out of it. Is it Top 4? Very debatable, but with a proper structure, game plan, standards and a few key additions I feel we can easily play finals in 2026

Not easy and we will have to get a few things right but it can happen and IMO that is the direction I would head

We've been hearing for years how we have the best spine... we have a 2x Brownlow medalist, 2 different Coleman medalists, AA full back...

Ok great, they've obviously played well throughout their careers to achieve these accolades... but where has it actually got us? The cap has been stretched too far by having them all on big contracts, not to mention the Williams and Gov contracts...

I don't want to just play finals in 2026... I want to see a premiership. I'm done with the piss farting around, selling false hope crap.

It is what it is, our core group are declining and their age profile has them exiting their prime.

There is some light that I can identify...

I have confidence in GW to make the necessary changes... (although I don't have confidence the board will keep their meddling hands out of his way...)

We have made a good start in last years draft:

Smith + HOF + Campos

We need to get a couple of handy players in this year's draft. TDK compo + Sydney 2025 1st should put us in a position to do that. Then there's Dean and Ison coming as well.

And then we get to next year, everyone hates the idea of us finishing last, but I stand by the fact that it gives us the ability to draft 3 gun kids in a draft with generational talent as well as trade for another gun player...

Is it really that much of a problem to finish 18th vs say 14th? I don't see it that way. Besides, we've lost to Richmond and North already this year so... we might finish last anyway the way we're going.

Come 2027, we will have a war chest available to go after free agents, entice good players via trade etc.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

if you say so - but I'll tell you what NO ONE has tried to do - and that is understand the LIST, calculate what it means to get a new coach in, think about the time that it will take to build a new game plan with a new ( imaginary list) etc etc etc..all in the context of a new coaching regime and any other changes that need to be made to the football side of things...

very easy for people to suggest oh get a new coach and get some players in that do this and that and the other thing- another thing to try and do everything at the same time.

Evolution is better than revolution.

Bullshit... I've been talking about this for weeks...

 

[Blue_Fusion]

My issue with sacking Voss is if that happens, there's a lesser chance we'll see significant change in other areas. I doubt Wright is going to completely blow up the joint...get rid of Voss, our Assistants and Lloyd. That's far too much upheavel for a club in one go.

Why? If they're all shit, get them out of there!

 

[Coops93]

My opinion on Voss is well stated, but not having seen the entire footage and whole 3 quarter time huddle was that just one snippet? Without knowing comms/bakes he may have already given individuals on the phone or prior and post that snippet.

It seemed the strongest, and longest, feedback was for Binns. The commentators post game also mentioned it seemed to be focussed on Binns.

I'm sure there was some to go around/directed to the group but he certainly seemed to cop the brunt of it.

 

[jj1978]

Could we/should we bite the bullet now. Mathematically could hit finals, a late season splurge perhaps with Hanson taking over as senior coach, regardless of win/loss will allow us to assess the list better see how they respond (as long as Hanson isn't given the role permanently).

 

[Coops93]

Issue is you can't keep one that isn't working.

This is the point I always end up coming back to when the conversation about sacking coaches comes up.

Oh they just sack coaches all the time, they don't give them a chance!

Well, yes, it's not great that we sack a lot of them. But, I have 2x responses for that:

1. Which coach has left and gone on to become a great coach elsewhere, proving that we made a bad decision?

2. If they are the wrong coach/not up to standard, are you supposed to not sack them, but rather keep them around just because you've sacked coaches before them? You can't keep a bad coach around just because.

I don't think any of our sackings in the past 10-15 yrs has been the wrong decision. Ultimately you could argue about Ratten, but aside from him, I think all of them have been warranted.

 

[jj1978]

Current HUN article. https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/...e/news-story/7eb483d2cd4654f91953a44d8deed468

"Carlton skipper Patrick Cripps

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says it’s on the players and not embattled senior coach Michael Voss to lift the Blues out of their ongoing slump."

The media training is strong with this one.

• Cripps urged frustrated Carlton supporters to “buy in and get behind us”
• was adamant he and teammates maintained full faith in Voss as senior coach.
• Cripps said the five-day break before Thursday night’s clash against Port Adelaide at the Adelaide Oval was a blessing for the Blues, who wanted to immediately make amends for their dire second and third quarters against the Kangaroos.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Current HUN article. https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/...e/news-story/7eb483d2cd4654f91953a44d8deed468

"Carlton skipper Patrick Cripps says it’s on the players and not embattled senior coach Michael Voss to lift the Blues out of their ongoing slump."

The media training is strong with this one.

Pfft... said the same shit with Teague...

 

[blue healer]

Current HUN article. https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/...e/news-story/7eb483d2cd4654f91953a44d8deed468

"Carlton skipper Patrick Cripps says it’s on the players and not embattled senior coach Michael Voss to lift the Blues out of their ongoing slump."

The media training is strong with this one.

• Cripps urged frustrated Carlton supporters to “buy in and get behind us”
• was adamant he and teammates maintained full faith in Voss as senior coach.
• Cripps said the five-day break before Thursday night’s clash against Port Adelaide at the Adelaide Oval was a blessing for the Blues, who wanted to immediately make amends for their dire second and third quarters against the Kangaroos.

I feel much better now, captain supports the coach, wasn't expecting that but it's nice to see just the same.

Only teensy weensy concern I have is that we replace the dire second and third quarters with a dire first and fourth. Nah that won't happen.

 

[macky99]

I understand your points and they are fair

Where I differ (with most on here) is I don't think we need a major rebuild, but more of a reset.

Our list has ability and I don't think Voss has got close to the best out of it. Is it Top 4? Very debatable, but with a proper structure, game plan, standards and a few key additions I feel we can easily play finals in 2026

Not easy and we will have to get a few things right but it can happen and IMO that is the direction I would head

Good post Soapy, there is something not right when all of your best 6 players are well below capabilities, all should be much better, game plan & system has been a major failure of the coaching group.

List management has been average, be interested to see what Wright does here also.

 

[blue healer]

Could we/should we bite the bullet now. Mathematically could hit finals, a late season splurge perhaps with Hanson taking over as senior coach, regardless of win/loss will allow us to assess the list better see how they respond (as long as Hanson isn't given the role permanently).

I've never been a fan of mid season sackings but if the decision to part ways with Voss has already been made this suggestion makes the best sense to me.

Most doubt the quality of our list, would be far better to assess this under a different coaching structure. Decisions on players would be better done at the end of this season than waiting for another year under a different coach and doing what may have been possible this year.

I stress, only if the decision to sack has already been made.

 

[95blues]

I for one am just grateful that when we change coach and the boys keep serving up the same rubbish we'll be able to lean on:

• Voss broke their bodies
• Voss ruined their prime, they're too old now
• Voss de-skilled them
• Voss destroyed their confidence

Thanks for your service Michael!

 

[RAPPA]

If Voss was the coach that gave Docherty a coach's vote, then he has well and truly lost the plot.

 

[gbatman]

It was obvious early days Voss didn't have it and he didn't have the support to help him.

Team selection and structure. Gravitating to big slow players and endurance athletes over faster, powerful types from day dot. Outdated gameplan. Poor recruiting direction.

Rest of the comp are going past us, many well past us.

Not relying on pace and effort to chase and apply pressure. Very little run and carry. Poor quality forward line. Poor kicking. Poor offensive running and presenting.

The list damage is the worst.

Some of the biggest red flags were his team selections in the 2023 finals series. Consistently picking Ed Curnow who was slow, cooked and couldn't kick over Dow who was killing it in the VFL and when finally selected was good in the AFL against some good sides.

I think we have to make changes if opportunity presents itself. Pick a coach who wants to play modern football, put a good team around him.

 

[Beyond Blue]

Spot on. Losing to both Richmond and North has sealed Voss' fate.

But the pretenders in the millionaires club need to be put on notice too...

I said TDK should be offered 850k for 4 years and that's factoring in the salary cap increase. Not a dollar more! If Saints are still offering $1.7M for 7 years he needs to take that and run, it's the equivalent of winning the lottery for him.

Harry should be traded to Sydney. But we need their 2025 + 2026 1st otherwise, we keep him. I know the draft sucks this year, but there are a couple types that would be handy. It is what it is, going after Bergman on a 7 year contract would be another disaster.

Next year, Walsh goes as a FA.

We need a rebuild soap, none of the core group have hit this season with the right attitude apart from Hewett and Silvagni. Could argue Cerra, but his i50 kicking was dreadful v North...

They're declining with age, they're mentally weak and they're "in no hurry to win a premiership"...

Whilst I don’t disagree with you that the playing group are performing like a bunch of pretenders I think the plan you are proposing consigns us to being uncompetitive for the next 5 years, and that’s on the basis that we get the draft picks right which is a huge IF given our history, so Im not sure there is any appetite for that.

IMO we need to make changes but I don’t think it needs to be anything nearly this drastic to turn things around. A combination of on and off field changes is required. I’d go with something along these lines:
- personally I’d keep Voss and do a complete refresh of the assistants but I’ll go with whatever Wright decides as the coach must have his full support, same goes with Austin and Agresta
- more definitively with Lloyd leaving at the end of the year the new head of football will obviously need to fit that bill as well because alignment between the CEO, HoF, Head Coach, List and Recruiting Manager is critical to having success.
- if there was any way of doing this we need a board refresh as the current board is a joke, but I’m not sure how easy this is to do given the politics.
- on the playing group the majorly of the work is getting rid of the blokes who are past it or not good enough which could be as many as 10.
- we also need to trade a big name to clear cap space - sadly I probably think Cripps is the one who should go due to his age meaning his best is behind him - it’ll be ugly but it’ll send a clear message to the group that everyone has to lift their game and this is results based industry.
- We won’t get much in return for him directly but the cleared cap space would allow us to get a 2 free agents good enough to be best 22 players, like bringing in Zac Bailey and Ollie Forent, or Bergman and Lohman
- Obviously TDK could walk but provided he stays on our terms I’d much prefer to keep him and I wouldn’t be trading Harry or Walsh, more so give them the rest of this year off to refresh for 2026 (maybe Charlie too)

Do that and add Campos, HOF, HOK, Jagga, Dean, Ison and Cody to the best 22 squad in the next year or two and I think we are looking ok to compete for an extended period without the need for wooden spoons and draft picks in weak/compromised drafts.

I think we can turn it around faster that you think. I won’t make the Collingwood comparison because they picked up Daicos who is a truly generational talent who transformed them immediately, but a good comparison is Melbourne in 2021 who rose rapidly by making smart, targeted trades for players of need and by the end of 2021 looked like a dynasty in the making.

 

[Crippa#9]

Could we/should we bite the bullet now. Mathematically could hit finals, a late season splurge perhaps with Hanson taking over as senior coach, regardless of win/loss will allow us to assess the list better see how they respond (as long as Hanson isn't given the role permanently).

 

[Stamos]

If Voss was the coach that gave Docherty a coach's vote, then he has well and truly lost the plot.

Surely Clarko just trolling the club he despises?

 

[Stamos]

Agreed, I'm not advocating for a full rebuild...

But TDK, Harry and Walsh I believe need to go.

Trading/losing 3 of our 6 superstars (the 3 youngest of the 6) is absolutely a full rebuild.

 

[CCurnow3picks]

Could we/should we bite the bullet now. Mathematically could hit finals, a late season splurge perhaps with Hanson taking over as senior coach, regardless of win/loss will allow us to assess the list better see how they respond (as long as Hanson isn't given the role permanently).

Hanson?

Isn’t he part of our problem.

How does that change anything?

We’re likely to find the “Hanson Hole” & sink even lower.

Yuk no thanks.

 

[2blue4u]

It was obvious early days Voss didn't have it and he didn't have the support to help him.

Team selection and structure. Gravitating to big slow players and endurance athletes over faster, powerful types from day dot. Outdated gameplan. Poor recruiting direction.

Rest of the comp are going past us, many well past us.

Not relying on pace and effort to chase and apply pressure. Very little run and carry. Poor quality forward line. Poor kicking. Poor offensive running and presenting.

The list damage is the worst.

Some of the biggest red flags were his team selections in the 2023 finals series. Consistently picking Ed Curnow who was slow, cooked and couldn't kick over Dow who was killing it in the VFL and when finally selected was good in the AFL against some good sides.

I think we have to make changes if opportunity presents itself. Pick a coach who wants to play modern football, put a good team around him.

Voss was always going to be a disaster especially after failing at Brisbane as coach. Every press conference is him explaining why everyone else is to blame for losses. He is constantly trying to steer any negativity away from his coaching. He is out of his depth quite clearly. He will live and die by that game plan which is outdated.

Yep list overhaul is needed. Need athletic players. Atleast atheletic players give you the option to try and adjust to new game styles.

 

[2blue4u]

Could we/should we bite the bullet now. Mathematically could hit finals, a late season splurge perhaps with Hanson taking over as senior coach, regardless of win/loss will allow us to assess the list better see how they respond (as long as Hanson isn't given the role permanently).

As much as i want to yes i don't think it will gain anything. Let Voss run his course until the end of the year and make all the changes needed.