Coach Michael Voss - Stats, history, articles, videos

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

Horse has apparantly been quoted as suggesting he'd like to explore another role within a club. Mentor/tactician to the new untried replacement, Hickmott!?!
See if we can't entice Enright and then build the recently retired assistants (Ward, etc)

But I'd rather we stuck fat just for once and turned over the list.....

So the plan is to stick with the same game style but swap out the players?

That changes nothing. We’ll just end up in the exact same spot - only with fresh faces worn down by the same exhausting and ineffective system.

 

[bigblueboy]

I heard it and watched it on the news, for the second week in a row I was totally gobsmacked by this buffoons media performance.

incredible that he would offer up that he has no idea whether he’ll keep his job.
Even if you think that, you never say it publicly.
Says a lot about professionalism within the club and how the CEO transition is being handled.
Just another thing we are getting so wrong.

 

[JustaBattler]

incredible that he would offer up that he has no idea whether he’ll keep his job.
Even if you think that, you never say it publicly.
Says a lot about professionalism within the club and how the CEO transition is being handled.
Just another thing we are getting so wrong.

If you believe half the stuff posted on here- the place leaks like a sieve.

Llyod saying what he said is a pretty big slap in the the face of Wright and Cook and the Board.

Absolute comedy hour.

ahh back to the Carlton we all know and love- a little shiv here a little shiv there and blood everywhere smeared all over failure wearing the clothes of entitlement and impatience.

 

[Iamcarlton]

The more I think about it, the more annoyed I am about everyone but Voss. How many coaches’ careers are this playing group going to kill?

The culture is the problem.

Yep players walk into Carlton and once they establish themselves they get comfortable .
They get comfortable & then conditional.
And that's because we just don't have good depth to keep the pressure on them .
Established players rarely get dropped.
Its an easy gig at Carlton .

Charlie Curnows defensive efforts are a joke gets rewarded with a leadership gig complete joke .

Coach after coach comes into the club well aware of its history of sacking coaches .
Therefore standards are not set & upheld because of a reluctance to drop underperforming and/or lazy established players .

The cycle continues through the next coach its a vicious circle repeated over & over .

If Voss goes I do hope Wright & Co have a good look at our leadership group as well at seasons end .

A message needs to be sent to current & prospective players club is bigger than the individual .
Unconditional effort in everything you do or gtfo...

 

[bigblueboy]

If you believe half the stuff posted on here- the place leaks like a sieve.

Llyod saying what he said is a pretty big slap in the the face of Wright and Cook and the Board.

Absolute comedy hour.

ahh back to the Carlton we all know and love- a little shiv here a little shiv there and blood everywhere smeared all over failure wearing the clothes of entitlement and impatience.

Sad but true.

 

[JustaBattler]

Sad but true.

You only have to read the entitled drivel on this board to know it will be a never ending cycle.

Worship players enrich the super stars divide the rest **** up recruiting hire messiah coach to fix the mess and give them 2 years to make do with a wreck whilst the white naters are already sharpeniomng knives then bring out the knives and start all over again - but but biut but but it has been 3 1/2 years ...

lol
Carlton

 

[BM123]

Not just coaching - Carlton as a whole.

The removal of our own history seems to have turned the club into St Kilda in the sense that we don't have the fight in the club and playing group at all.... Milestone games come and go, special event games (Carlton respects), rivalry games and we don't just lose them we often just get stomped. Like the normal bump pride for your jersey and club gives you is inverted for those games.

Think it's a symptom of many things wrong with the board and the direction they set for the club and their messaging and interfering

It honestly feels like our history is more of a burden to the players than anything else.

 

[Irish BlueBagger]

We were put on the torch for the Ratten sacking but what exactly did he achieve? He had a prime Judd and did nothing in the same role anywhere else in the same position, after he so called unfairly sacked. If he was unfairly sacked by opposition supporters you take him or STFU and prove is wrong. No coach in the last 3 decades we have sacked has done a thing after we moved on at the HC level so that argument is very straw at best.

I get he is a club champion and i loved him as a player but as a HC he was another to be put on our long list of dud coaching appointments and i may be being harsh but i want flags not honorable finals exits.

No one since Parkin has anyone achieved it and we need to correct this.

1995 was way to long ago.

Under Ratts we were making progress year on year, but he was sacked after one poor year when the team was plagued with injuries.

Sure we've had a flash in the pan finals run under Vossy, but i think the evidence strongly suggests that getting rid of Ratts and hiring an over the hill Mick Malthouse set the club back a couple of years.

We did thump Essendon in a finals game under Ratts and were very unlucky not to at least play in a prelim final in 2011 imo.

 

[gbatman]

We have tried so hard to erase our past that we have erased and ignored the good parts.

Hawthorn are one of the best coached teams in the league. Ratten, Hickmott, Simpson currently sitting on their pannel.

Eddie Betts goes to Geelong for a bit and they win a flag. Probably the most knowlegable and one of the greatest small forwards of all time. What's our biggest weakness? Small/medium forwards. Who needs specialist coaching the most at Carlton small and medium forwards. How good would he be for Moir, Fogarty, Cottrell, Motlop etc.. No one at Carlton knows anything close to what he knows.

Fev reached out to our struggling forwards, McKay mostly last year and we rejected him. Who could really do with some specialist coaching? Curnow and McKay. Fev is a generational talent with a wealth of knowlege that would well and truely exceede that of Curnow, McKay and our current coaches. He's be great for them and Lemmy.

Ratten is head of development at Hawthorn, he's a premiership winning assitant under a coach who has produced premiership winning coaches. How's our development going?

These are true Carlton people having success at other clubs as assistant, development and specialist coaches. They are Carlton people who would no doubt jump at the chance to help us. This means we would not have to pay a fortune to have them.

Now have a look at who we have in our coaching ranks. Have a look at who we reject.

We're idiots and Lloyd is an incompetant fool.

We've never had to erase our past. We are idiots for trying too hard and erasing the best parts of our past.

Yes we have Aaron Hamill

Aaron Hamill

Age

48

Ht

184cm

Wt

95kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.1

4star

K

8.5

3star

HB

5.5

4star

M

4.5

4star

T

2.8

4star

G

1.3

5star

No current season stats available

D

11.4

3star

K

7.2

3star

HB

4.2

4star

M

3.2

4star

T

2.0

4star

G

0.4

3star

who IMO is actually doing alrigth with the defenders. Maybe we see him as more of St Kilda.

I just don't get how we ended up with a bunch of blokes who were rejected from failing clubs and why we don't put more into development and make the most of the resources we already have.

Plenty of ex-Carlton people out there with a lot to offer performing very well as assistant coaches and development coaches and a few not coaching at all who would be unreal in specialist development roles. I just do not get how we have done so poorly.

I think we can see where Lloyd and Co have failed Voss.

 

[Psychochook]

You only have to read the entitled drivel on this board to know it will be a never ending cycle.

Worship players enrich the super stars divide the rest **** up recruiting hire messiah coach to fix the mess and give them 2 years to make do with a wreck whilst the white naters are already sharpeniomng knives then bring out the knives and start all over again - but but biut but but it has been 3 1/2 years ...

lol
Carlton

When you've been a supporter longer than the players have walked the earth, we're entitled to a little drivel.

Let the public have a constructive voice.

Do you not think some of the players can give more?

I'm not saying Voss is a great coach. I see a decent human, giving everything he can and fronting up, because it's what he's paid to do.

Unfortunately, he's a victim of the gun player/average coach theory.

Aspects of the game came easy to him. He had generational ability that came natural.

The theory is these coaches struggle to understand why players can't 'just do' the things he 'just did'.

We think Cripps is a contested beast, Voss was equally so, an elite battering ram, but he was blessed with dual sided skill.

This is why, statistically, defenders make better coaches.

 

[JustaBattler]

When you've been a supporter longer than the players have walked the earth, we're entitled to a little drivel.

Let the public have a constructive voice.

Do you not think some of the players can give more?

I'm not saying Voss is a great coach. I see a decent human, giving everything he can and fronting up, because it's what he's paid to do.

Unfortunately, he's a victim of the gun player/average coach theory.

Aspects of the game came easy to him. He had generational ability that came natural.

The theory is these coaches struggle to understand why players can't 'just do' the things he 'just did'.

We think Cripps is a contested beast, Voss was equally so, an elite battering ram, but he was blessed with dual sided skill.

This is why, statistically, defenders make better coaches.

I actiually refgret using that terminology 'drivel' - so thanks for poitning it out and not making a big deal out of it as well.

As for Vossy - I think heart in right place - but the team as a team hasnt progressed under his guidance for whatever reasons- i think a few players can be moved on -along with him and will be.

atb mate

 

[jj1978]

We have tried so hard to erase our past that we have erased and ignored the good parts.

Hawthorn are one of the best coached teams in the league. Ratten, Hickmott, Simpson currently sitting on their pannel.

Eddie Betts goes to Geelong for a bit and they win a flag. Probably the most knowlegable and one of the greatest small forwards of all time. What's our biggest weakness? Small/medium forwards. Who needs specialist coaching the most at Carlton small and medium forwards. How good would he be for Moir, Fogarty, Cottrell, Motlop etc.. No one at Carlton knows anything close to what he knows.

Fev reached out to our struggling forwards, McKay mostly last year and we rejected him. Who could really do with some specialist coaching? Curnow and McKay. Fev is a generational talent with a wealth of knowlege that would well and truely exceede that of Curnow, McKay and our current coaches. He's be great for them and Lemmy.

Ratten is head of development at Hawthorn, he's a premiership winning assitant under a coach who has produced premiership winning coaches. How's our development going?

These are true Carlton people having success at other clubs as assistant, development and specialist coaches. They are Carlton people who would no doubt jump at the chance to help us. This means we would not have to pay a fortune to have them.

Now have a look at who we have in our coaching ranks. Have a look at who we reject.

We're idiots and Lloyd is an incompetant fool.

We've never had to erase our past. We are idiots for trying too hard and erasing the best parts of our past.

Yes we have Aaron Hamill who IMO is actually doing alrigth with the defenders. Maybe we see him as more of St Kilda.

I just don't get how we ended up with a bunch of blokes who were rejected from failing clubs and why we don't put more into development and make the most of the resources we already have.

Plenty of ex-Carlton people out there with a lot to offer performing very well as assistant coaches and development coaches and a few not coaching at all who would be unreal in specialist development roles. I just do not get how we have done so poorly.

I think we can see where Lloyd and Co have failed Voss.

Would we call Russell more Carlton or Dogs?

 

[therubbernub]

I would jetisen the big egos. they should command plenty of picks; Start with TDK and Charlie

 

[gbatman]

Would we call Russell more Carlton or Dogs?

He probably sees himself as both but as a player he's Carlton, despite his Collingwood stint. Fair to say, have we got the best we could from our past? Russell was always seen more as an athlete in his playing days.

 

[Moon]

I'm not sure how much of the problem is Voss and how much it is Austin, Lloyd, Coach assistants etc

My guess

Voss - 50%
The rest - 50%

Voss walked into a failed Club culture that has been on the nose for like ... 3 decades.
I'll go if Voss gets outed ... there's an 80% chance the new Coach will do better during the honeymoon period and then fall back to Business as usual..?

There is a lot of improvement required across the board.
There is a massive difference between Carlton and McRae's Collingwood.
In McRae's case ... the foundations were already solid ... credit to him though.
The right Man for the job.... another correct call.

 

[RAPPA]

I would jetisen the big egos. they should command plenty of picks; Start with TDK and Charlie

Unfortunately their egos have led to a decline in form that has impacted their trade value. Forget about TDK - he is as good as gone under FA. Charlie on the other hand, and some of the others, we will wait and see.

 

[gbatman]

I would jetisen the big egos. they should command plenty of picks; Start with TDK and Charlie

Because premiership winnig sides don't and never have had players who have big egos?

 

[Stamos]

Nine changes Michael Voss can make to get Carlton something out of 2025 — and save his own job​

Hun

https://archive.md/ucXxu

 

[Beyond Blue]

Nine changes Michael Voss can make to get Carlton something out of 2025 — and save his own job​

Hun

https://archive.md/ucXxu

As always thanks for sharing but IMO it’s actually rubbish analysis.

Zac Williams in the midfield? The bloke can’t run out of sight on a dark night. Charlie in defence is not a good idea nor is Cerra at half back which we’ve already tried. Ollie in the middle is ok but he has been good at half back IMO. Regardless you can’t make huge change mid season and expect meaningful results, especially if the players have checked out.

I reckon the biggest thing the club can do is a make a call on Voss asap. Either he stays or goes but do it in the next week. Wright has had long enough to make his assessments of everyone. Either way it lets us get ahead of the curve and start the planning for next year.

 

[Doro]

As always thanks for sharing but IMO it’s actually rubbish analysis.

Zac Williams in the midfield? The bloke can’t run out of sight on a dark night. Charlie in defence is not a good idea nor is Cerra at half back which we’ve already tried. Ollie in the middle is ok but he has been good at half back IMO. Regardless you can’t make huge change mid season and expect meaningful results, especially if the players have checked out.

I reckon the biggest thing the club can do is a make a call on Voss asap. Either he stays or goes but do it in the next week. Wright has had long enough to make his assessments of everyone. Either way it lets us get ahead of the curve and start the planning for next year.

I think we're the only club in the market at this stage, with the Port handover as well. If we're relying on a better pick for the TDK compo , then we're better off without the new coach bounce. It will probably only happen if they start turning into 15 goal losses. I'm sure the conversations are happening anyway.

 

[morningbrown]

Seems ridiculous to let this team just fester and put in another eight horrendous performances. Surely they take action now and allow the process to find the new guy to start as soon as possible. Allows the new coach to also assess the list a bit before the off season.

 

[bourbons]

Longmire won’t coach us.

Who in their right mind would lol

Absolute coach killers, this group.

 

[Gavstar]

Seems ridiculous to let this team just fester and put in another eight horrendous performances. Surely they take action now and allow the process to find the new guy to start as soon as possible. Allows the new coach to also assess the list a bit before the off season.

I'm happy to be conservative and go all out for the very unlikely win against the Pies.

After that we need to get a block of games into younger players to see if they can play. Anyone who will not be contracted next year should not get another game.

This could result in larger losing margins which is absolutely not what Voss wants to see if he's trying to keep his job.

Cook/Priestley may not have the luxury of waiting if things go too far south.

 

[CrippaTheGoat9]

Seems ridiculous to let this team just fester and put in another eight horrendous performances. Surely they take action now and allow the process to find the new guy to start as soon as possible. Allows the new coach to also assess the list a bit before the off season.

Makes me think if we are moving on from Vossy but aren’t doing it until the end of the season then maybe we have someone lined up like Longmire but if we haven’t got someone lined up and things get even worse then maybe we do pull the trigger early.

 

[Soapy V]

Makes me think if we are moving on from Vossy but aren’t doing it until the end of the season then maybe we have someone lined up like Longmire but if we haven’t got someone lined up and things get even worse then maybe we do pull the trigger early.

I see it differently

Wright IMO would have already made a decision on Voss. Next 8 weeks mean nothing. If rumours are true Wright doesn't rate him at all and feels some major changes are required

My take is he will appoint a new Head of Football asap that is along the sames lines of thinking as him. I bet he already has someone in mind

A lot of work will be done reviewing playing list and possible changes which will be well advanced already

Then come end of year they will both do a search for best coach and assistants etc

That's my take in rest of year