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[Gethelred]

So reading through everything you put there...let's get to your points...valid useful points for us all to read on here about Michael Voss and dissect. Oh, here below is one point and it is so general it is of no value as it applies to over 75% of all recent coaches.

From you...I mean, he's not without positive attributes: he's experienced, both as a player and a coach. He's worked within successful programs and development systems. He is capable of change. His coaches box is capable of innovation, and has no issue trying something to see if it works.

Again: the point argued against was that Voss had no positive attributes, not that Voss's attributes are indistinct from other coaches. There's also the reality that most coaches - a good deal more than 75% - are not open to listening to their assistants or trying things; there are signs that this is changing a bit, but within AFL circles a willingness to stray from convention is as rare as a hen's egg.

... which is part of the problem with you wandering in and not reading the posts you've decided to argue with. You've missed the point, provided more evidence in support of my argument with Soapy (that Voss had positive attributes) and are now arguing something completely different and rather off topic (that I'm full of hot air) seemingly out of nothing more than embarrassment at having been a little silly.

We're all silly from time to time, JOT. It's an opportunity to grow.

But it isnt a great look for a mod to to be disingenuous to other posters who are attempting to make points.

The mods of this forum were posters here first. That you disagree with me - or don't want to talk about what I'm talking about; I'm leading conversation away from where you want it to go - is not a sign of disingenuousness (I question whether you know what the word means) and that I'm a moderator is not ammunition for you to use in an argument.

Continue to do so at your own risk, remembering that having a crack at a mod for being a mod isn't a great idea. Play the ball, not the man.

 

[Gavstar]

Looks like they chose wisely between 4 untried coaches.

Let’s hope GW chooses wisely again.

Voss was a tried and failed coach, imo he had a lot of baggage to overcome to get to the top in the Pies process. Whereas in our process he went to the top when Sayers said we would hire an experienced coach and was the only experienced candidate to enter the process.

 

[jj1978]

I think Voss is the type who gets comfortable being comfortable. Played and coached at Brisbane, then spent 9 years at Port where he may have benefited from a stint assisting at another club as well.

His vision of how the game should be played is something he finds hard to deviate from.

 

[Peacock]

Watching the footy media and some of these Carlton youtubers/podcasters, they are always talking about "standards" regarding the playing group and some of them even try to give Voss a pass, "what chance does he have????".

What about standards regarding the coach? He has a trainwreck game plan and has completely lost the playing group. I would have thought they are two pretty big parts of a coaches job.

To understand Voss the coach you first need to understand his time as Brisbane coach. He thought the media didn't have his back and threw him under the bus, and he also said he burned relationships with his senior players.

Fast forward to Carlton and we have the complete opposite, he's way too soft on the senior players and has pretty much every media personality on speed dial pushing his narrative about how the players can't kick and how terrible the list is. It's pretty much everyone's fault except his!

And this whole stuff about death threats, what a sook. I guess he thought the exact text would never be released and he could have his chance to play the victim.

 

[carlton_99]

And this whole stuff about death threats, what a sook. I guess he thought the exact text would never be released and he could have his chance to play the victim.

What a rubbish take. The text didn't go to Voss so he had nothing to do with the response to it.

 

[Peacock]

What a rubbish take. The text didn't go to Voss so he had nothing to do with the response to it.

He was sooking it up in the media over it for days.

 

[JustOneTime]

Again: the point argued against was that Voss had no positive attributes, not that Voss's attributes are indistinct from other coaches. There's also the reality that most coaches - a good deal more than 75% - are not open to listening to their assistants or trying things; there are signs that this is changing a bit, but within AFL circles a willingness to stray from convention is as rare as a hen's egg.

... which is part of the problem with you wandering in and not reading the posts you've decided to argue with. You've missed the point,

No i havent. This is your escape clause. My line of posting isnt the same as Soapy's. You state a positive for Voss that has almost zero value in that it applies pretty much to all current head coaches. And then nothing else. My line of interest is for you to put up anything of value as to why we should specifically keep him.

Then to defend your weak point on Vossy you double down and say other coaches dont listen to their assistants like Vossy. That is a laughable point because you wouldnt have a clue on the accuracy of this statement. This is why I say you dont have anything of interest. The points i personally make are based on output, e.g. we have too many inside mids. It can be defended by counting the number of inside mids playing each week in wrong roles...not great coaching at all. A semblance of evidence for you to debate me on.

Your point that other coaches don't listen to their assistants is based on nothing. It's rubbish. In fact i know you would even agree though not on this thread that Voss is stubborn as hell. At least outwardly this statement can be debated fairly by his continual media comments that it is all about contest and pressure when faced with media scrutiny on his turnover game.

So to be clear, I dont think you post anything of substance is my key point - in a thread that has come down to a discussion on whether we should keep Voss or get rid of him. And where people are asking for positives on why we should keep him. Others are posting why we should move him on. This isnt about soapy's personal post.

 

[jj1978]

Watching the footy media and some of these Carlton youtubers/podcasters, they are always talking about "standards" regarding the playing group and some of them even try to give Voss a pass, "what chance does he have????".

What about standards regarding the coach? He has a trainwreck game plan and has completely lost the playing group. I would have thought they are two pretty big parts of a coaches job.

To understand Voss the coach you first need to understand his time as Brisbane coach. He thought the media didn't have his back and threw him under the bus, and he also said he burned relationships with his senior players.

Fast forward to Carlton and we have the complete opposite, he's way too soft on the senior players and has pretty much every media personality on speed dial pushing his narrative about how the players can't kick and how terrible the list is. It's pretty much everyone's fault except his!

And this whole stuff about death threats, what a sook. I guess he thought the exact text would never be released and he could have his chance to play the victim.

His time at Brisbane he was coaching many players he played with and suspect there was a difficulty in separating the teammate/friend from the coach from him and some players. He realised his flaws, spent 9 years doing man management courses and has come out of Port and those courses a walking talking Anthony Robbins and in the coaching department still the same weak tactician. He only benefited from Carlton having not played with the group, and his flaw was not setting strong enough standards on field and training and fairness in team selection. He was never going to be the tactical one and either he’s been poorly guided by his assistants or this is his view on how the team should play.

In terms of the text quite harsh opinion there, it was sent to the hotline and the AFL were considering security for him so his mind would’ve been a bit all over the shop and he has a young family too to consider.

 

[BlueTongue]

I'd just like to say that the Media beat-up of the whole Voss-threat last week is nothing short of disgraceful & borderline Criminal.

It is inciting hate and paranoia. While I don't feel sorry for the Collingwood supporter that used the hotline for a Poor taste joke, it was just a joke, with only 1 word that could be construed as serious, but was probably half cut when they did it. 5 year ban is Way over the top and it's largely because of the Media. Sickens me the way the media are unaccountable for the Fever Pitch panic they instill.

'Beat up': Icon says fan's ban for Voss threat 'over the top'

'A misplaced joke'

www.nine.com.au

 

[bringdoullback]

So if your coach chooses the leadership team and the leadership team isn't driving standards properly you just sit back and do nothing and blame the players or do you as a coach change the leadership team.........

Seems obvious to me

And that is the exact question I ask too. Two conclusions possible. Right.

 

[branedotorg]

His time at Brisbane he was coaching many players he played with and suspect there was a difficulty in separating the teammate/friend from the coach from him and some players. He realised his flaws, spent 9 years doing man management courses and has come out of Port and those courses a walking talking Anthony Robbins and in the coaching department still the same weak tactician. He only benefited from Carlton having not played with the group, and his flaw was not setting strong enough standards on field and training and fairness in team selection. He was never going to be the tactical one and either he’s been poorly guided by his assistants or this is his view on how the team should play.

Yes to both imo. This is the style he and the senior players have driven but it's poorly implemented and planned by the coaching team.

this is a failure at multiple levels:

1. poor strategic choices
2. poor implementation
3. poor leadership on and off field
4. poor choices about the players and how they fit into the team structure
5. poor choices about playing standards, backing favourites, playing injured players

All are surmountable, even by Voss, but significant change is required and i think it's now untenable, even though only some is his direct fault - as a Head Coach he owns all the failure.

 

[Gethelred]

No i havent. This is your escape clause.

... why would I want to escape?

My line of posting isnt the same as Soapy's.

Because, unlike Soapy, you have an axe to grind.

You state a positive for Voss that has almost zero value in that it applies pretty much to all current head coaches. And then nothing else. My line of interest is for you to put up anything of value as to why we should specifically keep him.

... which you then contradict with the following sequence.

Then to defend your weak point on Vossy you double down...

To 'double down' is a gambling metaphor, meaning to try and do the same thing again, chasing your losses. The idea that Voss listens to his assistants isn't 'doubling down' on the idea that he's experienced, nor that he's worked within successful clubs.

... and say other coaches dont listen to their assistants like Vossy. That is a laughable point because you wouldnt have a clue on the accuracy of this statement.

... which is why - if you actually read the posts for the words I chose - you would realise that when I speak about things changing within the setup, I use phrases like 'this coaching box' or setup.

It might be nice for you if you let it be now, JOT.

This is why I say you dont have anything of interest. The points i personally make are based on output, e.g. we have too many inside mids. It can be defended by counting the number of inside mids playing each week in wrong roles...not great coaching at all. A semblance of evidence for you to debate me on.

The other side of the coin - and this is me putting my moderator hat on - is who are you, Justonetime, to decide on what is of interest to this forum?

This is a forum for Carlton supporters. I am a Carlton supporter. Whether or not you find a particular conversation or discussion interesting does not mean you get to try and chase someone away from a discussion thread.

Do not try and run people out of this forum.

Your point that other coaches don't listen to their assistants is based on nothing. It's rubbish.

'I don't agree with you' does not equal 'that doesn't make any sense' or 'it's rubbish'.

In fact i know you would even agree though not on this thread that Voss is stubborn as hell.

... like most senior coaches, which is why the fact that he's willing to change, to try things out is so noteworthy.

So to be clear, I dont think you post anything of substance is my key point - in a thread that has come down to a discussion on whether we should keep Voss or get rid of him. And where people are asking for positives on why we should keep him. Others are posting why we should move him on. This isnt about soapy's personal post.

... I genuinely do not know why I have to explain how a forum works to you - again - so I won't waste my time. What I will say is this: if you don't like my posts, you don't have to read them. Cluttering up this forum with lengthy posts saying some derivation of 'stop posting' means others have to read both our nonsense.

Let it be.

 

[jpfalvo]

Looks like they chose wisely between 4 untried coaches.

Let’s hope GW chooses wisely again.

Voss wasnt untried.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Voss wasnt untried.

Either was Teague, he was within our system. We need someone with fresh ideas that is completely removed from our existing setup.

 

[Bluesince62]

I'd just like to say that the Media beat-up of the whole Voss-threat last week is nothing short of disgraceful & borderline Criminal.

It is inciting hate and paranoia. While I don't feel sorry for the Collingwood supporter that used the hotline for a Poor taste joke, it was just a joke, with only 1 word that could be construed as serious, but was probably half cut when they did it. 5 year ban is Way over the top and it's largely because of the Media. Sickens me the way the media are unaccountable for the Fever Pitch panic they instill.

'Beat up': Icon says fan's ban for Voss threat 'over the top'

'A misplaced joke'

www.nine.com.au

A 5 year ban for a poor effort at humour is ridiculous. All of my mates make poor efforts at humour on a regular basis. Additionally, it wasn’t something in the public domain, it was on a confidential hotline.

 

[Aphrodite]

Just received this email:-

The Carlton Football Club can today confirm with absolute clarity that its AFL Senior Coach Michael Voss will remain coach of the Blues into the 2026 AFL Season.

As communicated by the Club in June, incoming CEO Graham Wright has been maximising the final eight weeks of the home and away season to work closely with the football department.

This has involved clear consultation with players, coaches and staff, producing valuable insights into where the AFL program currently sits, and the necessary steps that need to be taken to take the team forward. 

“We were clear following Round 16 that we would utilise these remaining games to make calm, rational and fully informed decisions that will take our football club forward and that is what we will continue to do,” Carlton President Rob Priestley said.

“The first of these has been in relation to our Senior Coach, which we are now in a position to provide clarity on following last night’s scheduled Board meeting.

“Last night, Graham presented a recommendation to the Board of Directors that Michael remains as our Senior Coach into next season.

“This recommendation was unanimously endorsed by the Board.

“For the last few months Graham and Michael have been meeting regularly, during which time they have been engaged in open and honest dialogue with one another on what is required for us to evolve as a football side.

“Michael’s ability to lead our football club this year in the face of incredible pressure has displayed the attributes of a strong and selfless leader.

“Carlton always comes first for our coach, and Graham and Michael share a clear and aligned view on the opportunities to improve football performance. 

“We want to make it absolutely clear that Michael Voss is the coach of the Carlton Football Club and he will remain the coach of the Carlton Football Club.”

 

[Aphrodite]

Committed to our Senior Coach

Carlton has confirmed AFL Senior Coach Michael Voss will remain coach of the Blues into the 2026 AFL Season.

www.carltonfc.com.au

 

[bourbons]

Wow, very surprising

 

[gab213]

A good sign for the club, as far as I'm concerned. Let's see the club address the deficiencies that exist throughout the club, rather than just getting rid of the coach. Let him see out his contract and set up an environment that will attract better coaching candidates in the future.

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

Stunned on the decision, for numerous reasons…
Like to understand the reasons why we’ve decided to maintain this direction…

 

[JimmyRabbit49]

Would have to think all the talk of players being unhappy and wanting out have been massively overblown, or else the Club is putting the players on notice - you do what the coach says or you are welcome to leave.

There is an argument to say that injuries have hurt Voss massively and perhaps the CLub thinks if they can grab a couple fo players who can actually kick the ball Voss' game plan might actually work

 

[ITCHY EYEBALLS]

Sort of ok with this.
Time for the players to suck it up and put in.

Just wondering whether Vossy has been told it might be advantageous for him to tweak the gameplan to appease all the restless natives...players and fans???

 

[berisha]

Wild. Can't believe he's survived. Not sure what they've seen to make this call.

 

[ForYouBlue]

Committed to our Senior Coach

Carlton has confirmed AFL Senior Coach Michael Voss will remain coach of the Blues into the 2026 AFL Season.

www.carltonfc.com.au

Maybe come out and back him in during the week when the vultures were circling then instead of after some scheduled yet apparently 5 hour long meeting? Not very confidence inspiring...

 

[COACH25]

Voss senior coach
Danny Daly general manager of football
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