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[blue healer]

What he say…same same ??

Just a tad more positive than I expected, Oh and we have to get better.

 

[myblueroan]

Just a tad more positive than I expected, Oh and we have to get better.

We are not in the game
If we want to get back in the game
We have to choose wisely.

 

[Markyd]

The problem with Voss he failed as a coach at Brisbane so took those learnings and sort out a mentor. Enter Kenny from Port, we all know Kenny is a dud, I like Voss but he is a product of his environment… a dud.

 

[BlueVision]

You would hope both Cook & Wright have identified whether it's the coaching group/playing group or a combination of the two & those changes will come at seasons end.

 

[chickendippas]

Big decision coming up I feel.

So many times in the past we’ve backed ourselves into a corner. I personally don’t care if we keep him or not but the decision has to be considered and the right one.

I’m genuinely concerned we will stick with him for stability sake after sacking so many coaches prior. Club needs to be brave and make the right call no matter what any noise says (this includes players).

If we do sack Voss - no more ‘oh we need experience or a strategic minded coach’. We need to go out and find the best group of coaches that can deliver success.

 

[BlueTongue]

You would hope both Cook & Wright have identified whether it's the coaching group/playing group or a combination of the two & those changes will come at seasons end.

Cook has made inroads but we’ve ruined his miracle worker record.

If an industry respected leader like him has failed to change the fundamental failures, then we are broken at the highest level, and right across the board.

I want to see Wright ‘Go Nuclear’ next year, and gut every aspect of our club that is stuck in the mire and refuses to address long term issues.

Totally sakc

 

[Gointocarlton]

You would hope both Cook & Wright have identified whether it's the coaching group/playing group or a combination of the two & those changes will come at seasons end.

If Brian Cook and Graham Wright cant, there is no hope for our club.

 

[myblueroan]

I can't understand why Shmurf would want to add to our general angst by trotting in to say he thinks Charlie is going?
Are there some board power plays going on here?
He wants us to know things will get even worse than they already are....because?

 

[Blue4Life]

Jesus Christ we have won 5 of our last 20 games…but no we can’t sack this guy because we have sacked too many coaches

 

[Blue4Life]

Us Carlton supporters are too impatient (5 wins from 20 games)
At which point can we complain?
A. 6 wins from 30
B. 7 wins from 35
C. 8 wins from 40
D. 9 wins from 45
Can we start a poll?

 

[Accidental genius]

Jesus Christ we have won 5 of our last 20 games…but no we can’t sack this guy because we have sacked too many coaches

I’d say club would almost certainly be having a close look now that we’re at mid season.

I’m sure they’ve got enough to go by apart from the impact of the injuries…again.

We just delisted 3 major injury prones and changed HP manager but still appear to be injury plagued.

On top of that cook about to retire and GW taking full control at years end probably means nothing will happen on the HC front but they’ll probably try replace some of the assistants at seasons end.

 

[Juddernaut08]

Cook has made inroads but we’ve ruined his miracle worker record.

If an industry respected leader like him has failed to change the fundamental failures, then we are broken at the highest level, and right across the board.

I want to see Wright ‘Go Nuclear’ next year, and gut every aspect of our club that is stuck in the mire and refuses to address long term issues.

Totally sakc

the problem with the 'totally nuclear' approach is that it's very hard to rebuild with the right people and elements due to factors outside of your control.

when dealing with people, it's just as much about their availability as it is filling a need.

look at the roos, sacking most of their board, starting with arguably the GOAT coach and plenty of draft picks and young talent. they're hardly in a good position.

I now think that whilst there may b e a need to blow up big parts of a club where it is just extremely toxic (such as the elliott era), most of the time it is about the steady building of culture and incremental improvement both on field and off field.

 

[bmaurizio]

Voss has a poor system and lacks game day creativity and smarts, really limited as a supposed experienced coach.
He has been another poor candidate and bad choice, the decision to replace him will need to made in the next few months. Along with recruiting and player development our footy operations must be diligently and throughly revised.
Enough, surely our administration is aware that the club has regressed once again. It’s been decades since we’ve experienced sustained success.

 

[Blue Pulse]

The problem with Voss he failed as a coach at Brisbane so took those learnings and sort out a mentor. Enter Kenny from Port, we all know Kenny is a dud, I like Voss but he is a product of his environment… a dud.

Agree, he is a product of his environment, I wouldn't call him a dud. He may be a very good mentor or assistant coach, but as the main man, he is ordinary.

 

[Jatz]

I can't understand why Shmurf would want to add to our general angst by trotting in to say he thinks Charlie is going?
Are there some board power plays going on here?
He wants us to know things will get even worse than they already are....because?
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Why not? You only want the information that makes us feel all warm and fuzzy inside?

It may not be information we like hearing but it's surely still appreciated that they've passed it on.

 

[Markyd]

Agree, he is a product of his environment, I wouldn't call him a dud. He may be a very good mentor or assistant coach, but as the main man, he is ordinary.

Agree

 

[myblueroan]

Why not? You only want the information that makes us feel all warm and fuzzy inside?

It may not be information we like hearing but it's surely still appreciated that they've passed it on.

I' grateful for ITK info same as anyone.

However I think context is important.
Especially with such an important player as Charlie.
We are given no info except that it seems he is leaving.
Is he unhappy with the coach or line coach or management or culture in general? Can't see us having success? If not - why not?

In saying Charlie is likely to leave , are we supposed to see Charlie as disloyal?
Or was it said to support a larger theory that the players are not happy with coaching direction?
Does it imply we need to change things, or that a few players are being bratty and need to play for the club?
We don't know!
It's just dumped and then '****!' He/she/they gone!

 

[Jatz]

I' grateful for ITK info same as anyone.

However I think context is important.
Especially with such an important player as Charlie.
We are given no info except that it seems he is leaving.
Is he unhappy with the coach or line coach or management or culture in general? Can't see us having success? If not - why not?

In saying Charlie is likely to leave , are we supposed to see Charlie as disloyal?
Or was it said to support a larger theory that the players are not happy with coaching direction?
Does it imply we need to change things, or that a few players are being bratty and need to play for the club?
We don't know!
It's just dumped and then '****!' He/she/they gone!

That context may not always be available or they may not be able to provide it due to their connection within the club.

It's not really their job to provide information to us in a template that suits the requests you've outlined there.

 

[Lukeblueboy]

I’m not advocating one way or another, but if we do decide to let Voss go, then it’s gotta also be a clean out of any assistant or anyone through the footy department that we deem not up to it. Then we look at the playing list and imo we need to give so we can free up cap space and bring picks in, so we can then try and target players with both speed and decent enough ball use.

If where going to do it all again, then we’ve gotta do it right and bring in or try to bring in exactly what’s required.

List wise, imo we only need a few solid moves this off season and we can get right back amongst it again next year

 

[Blue By Blood]

If Brian Cook and Graham Wright cant, there is no hope for our club.

Brian Cook has the mantra of backing people in and creating stability even if it means doubling down on the wrong horse. While this may work under the right conditions, it doesn't always work and is often the lazy approach.

Voss has the mantra of 'keep pounding the rock and things will turn'. Notice a theme here? Both want to back in what we have doubling down on the same strategy without changing anything.

Cook doubled down on Thompson as coach.. but they had Ablett, Selwood, Bartel, Chapman, Johnson, Enright, Hawkins, Scarlett etc. They were always heading for success. These guys were just young and almost ready to go bang. Vast difference to our list where the list is already at an age where it should be going bang. We don't need a coach still trying to figure it out in their 8th or 9th season. So back on topic, I'm not sure Cook is this messiah everyone thought he was.

Being too afraid to make change because we have turned over many coaches in the past would be foolish thinking. When you've got the wrong guy, doubling down on him only makes things worse. You waste time, players get older and past their prime, fractures appear amongst the group, players request trades. We can't sit on our hands any longer. Voss is the wrong coach. Wright better come in and:

• Move on the coach
• Conduct a thorough coaching process to find the right guy. No stupid comments that back us into a corner with who we select and who applies.
• Bring in assistants with proven success in their respected positions (none of this having a forward teaching the defenders etc),
• A new head of football is an absolute must.
• Get the reserves team on the same page so the game plan is the same across both so the juniors develop and can slot into the senior team.

 

[Poorman53]

Brian Cook has the mantra of backing people in and creating stability even if it means doubling down on the wrong horse. While this may work under the right conditions, it doesn't always work and is often the lazy approach.

Voss has the mantra of 'keep pounding the rock and things will turn'. Notice a theme here? Both want to back in what we have doubling down on the same strategy without changing anything.

Cook doubled down on Thompson as coach.. but they had Ablett, Selwood, Bartel, Chapman, Johnson, Enright, Hawkins, Scarlett etc. They were always heading for success. These guys were just young and almost ready to go bang. Vast difference to our list where the list is already at an age where it should be going bang. We don't need a coach still trying to figure it out in their 8th or 9th season. So back on topic, I'm not sure Cook is this messiah everyone thought he was.

Being too afraid to make change because we have turned over many coaches in the past would be foolish thinking. When you've got the wrong guy, doubling down on him only makes things worse. You waste time, players get older and past their prime, fractures appear amongst the group, players request trades. We can't sit on our hands any longer. Voss is the wrong coach. Wright better come in and:

• Move on the coach
• Conduct a thorough coaching process to find the right guy. No stupid comments that back us into a corner with who we select and who applies.
• Bring in assistants with proven success in their respected positions (none of this having a forward teaching the defenders etc),
• A new head of football is an absolute must.
• Get the reserves team on the same page so the game plan is the same across both so the juniors develop and can slot into the senior team.

You can understand Cook's mantra if he actually had any meaningful role in choosing Voss. He came in after the process was completed and just ticked it off. In his first interview he even stated that Voss lacked tactically, that was alarm bells from the get go.

If we make a move, it'd be great to have Cook part of that panel (very make in the background) with Wright. And zero board level involvement!

 

[Blue By Blood]

You can understand Cook's mantra if he actually had any meaningful role in choosing Voss. He came in after the process was completed and just ticked it off. In his first interview he even stated that Voss lacked tactically, that was alarm bells from the get go.

If we make a move, it'd be great to have Cook part of that panel (very make in the background) with Wright. And zero board level involvement!

Yep, that raised alarm bells to me too. If you have a coach that lacks tactically, it makes it extremely difficult on game day for the coaches to make the right changes. Can the assistants speak up? Will the coach actually park the ego and listen to them? That makes the whole coaching department need to be an extremely well oiled machine if the coach is to delegate tactics to assistants. I truly believe you need a good tactical coach to be able to have a Plan B and to pull levers on game day.

100% spot on about no board involvment. No politics. No worrying about public image. Just let the actual 'football people' rather than business people interview and select the right guy for the job. We have too many hands involved in decisions like this.. this time we need to do it right.

 

[gbatman]

I came out and roasted Voss for his game plan and team selections after the 2023 finals series. My biggest complaints being he does not value run and leg speed, uses old fashion outdated defensive tactics and is obsessed with contested and negative football. It was obvious by his team selection through that finals series and I expressed this as being a massive red flag. I got roasted for this myself and to all those who did not agree with what I was saying, I told you so!

A few years later have a look at out list. Painfully slow. We play a horribly outdated game style. The game plan and recruiting direction have nearly completly ignored run and carry and kicking. Teams defend by having a lot of players around the ground with leg speed who can run you down. Not by playing up the boundary line and attempting to keep the game congested like we do and forcing big numbers behind the ball. Teams attack by going more direct and running with the ball in hand to open up targets. Not by sitting out wide with all the opposition players lined up in front of you and bombing into the congestion like us.

Game plan shapes your list. Your coach shapes your list. Our game plan and list is out dated and not good enough. It can't play modern football.

Voss is a poor coach, it's not up for debate, he just doesn't have the vision for it. Head in the sand big time in regards to how the successful sides are playing the game and winning. He simply can not see it.

The thing that shits me the most is that we could have probably made Voss work. Good assistants who push a more open game plan and the recruiting of players who suite this style of footy could have worked. I don't know, Voss may be too stubbord and set in his ways.

There is just no vision at this club. We are so head in the sand when it comes to what the better teams are doing to win games. They are all quick, skillful and use pace to defend, apply pressure, run with the ball to open the game up.

We have a core of high level stars and have absolutely wasted them.

Voss is a massive bust that has ruined our chance with this list build. We have a slim chance of coming good in a few years if we do everything right and get one with the players on this list at the back end of their careers. But I am not holding my breath.

 

[RedFury]

I don't post much here lately but wanted to add my thoughts. I'm one of those who thinks that it's usually never a single area that's to blame, but rather multiple areas that are each some way off the mark.

Coaching - clearly isn't working. Voss's gameplan doesn't work for modern footy or he doesn't have the cattle to do what he really wants. If we keep him (because we don't want to sack another coach) then I'd prefer he stick to player management, relationships, inspirational speeches, etc and delegate the actual gameplan and tactics to competent assistants who understand modern footy (i.e. not the ones we have now.) How we will lure competent assistants is another question though.

Fitness - has probably been a bit off the mark for a long time but I think we need to give this new guy at least a couple of seasons to make things better.

Recruitment - our list is incredibly imbalanced and the list management team need to take responsibility for this, even if it's what Vossy requested. Part of their jobs is to keep a balanced list that can play modern footy, they should know what modern footy looks like, where the game is heading, and what skills players need to have. If what the coach wants isn't conducive to modern footy then this should be escalated to higher up. How we've let our list get into such a horrible lopsided state is beyond me - far too many slow players with poor foot skills. And too many inconsistent or conditional players.

Development - can be difficult to tell how bad this is, and how much things like coaching and recruitment are really to blame. But I always feel like our players look exciting and show a bit in their first few outings, before often sliding backwards and becoming a bit "carltonized". I'd say it's okay but nowhere near top tier, which is where it needs to be.

So with each of these areas maybe 10% off the mark, it leads to a multiplicative, cascading effect where the final result seems far more off the mark than that. And who has managed all these areas - this shitshow of mediocrity? The footy manager Brad Lloyd. I know he survived the last cull but I'll be flabbergasted if he's still there next year. We desperately need a footy manager who can get each area of the footy department up to the elite status.

As a final note, the oft-expressed sentiment that we are wasting our talent and our players are better than this, would seem to have no better evidence than the output of Matt Kennedy for the WB this season. We have massive holes in the list but also plenty of players that, on talent, should be capable of so much more.

 

[jpfalvo]

Brian Cook has the mantra of backing people in and creating stability even if it means doubling down on the wrong horse. While this may work under the right conditions, it doesn't always work and is often the lazy approach.

Voss has the mantra of 'keep pounding the rock and things will turn'. Notice a theme here? Both want to back in what we have doubling down on the same strategy without changing anything.

Cook doubled down on Thompson as coach.. but they had Ablett, Selwood, Bartel, Chapman, Johnson, Enright, Hawkins, Scarlett etc. They were always heading for success. These guys were just young and almost ready to go bang. Vast difference to our list where the list is already at an age where it should be going bang. We don't need a coach still trying to figure it out in their 8th or 9th season. So back on topic, I'm not sure Cook is this messiah everyone thought he was.

Being too afraid to make change because we have turned over many coaches in the past would be foolish thinking. When you've got the wrong guy, doubling down on him only makes things worse. You waste time, players get older and past their prime, fractures appear amongst the group, players request trades. We can't sit on our hands any longer. Voss is the wrong coach. Wright better come in and:

• Move on the coach
• Conduct a thorough coaching process to find the right guy. No stupid comments that back us into a corner with who we select and who applies.
• Bring in assistants with proven success in their respected positions (none of this having a forward teaching the defenders etc),
• A new head of football is an absolute must.
• Get the reserves team on the same page so the game plan is the same across both so the juniors develop and can slot into the senior team.

Spot on.

Inclusive of the performance of Brian Cook.
Lets add to this, when Bomber Thompson had his down year, 2006. His up year 2005, the Cats were only stopped to a Grand Final by a freaky Nick Davis.

People forget this, but love to compare Carlton and Geelong.