Michael Warners article 04/12/24. How woke and hypocritical the afl has become.

[the big lebowski]

Not more qualified, just more experienced. There's a lot of us, lot of flogs, lot of good ones, lot of racists, lot of campaigners, a lot of everything.

I wasn't there for the Winmar game, but I was there when Adrian McAdams stitched up Watson at Vic Park in the early 90s. Kicked 5 or so.

He was a bit of a lair, showed Watson the ball after a brilliant freakish mark. The crowd was boiling, but there were only a few vocal racists around me. Every time they said something about meths or land rights McAdam kicked another ****ing goal. I was only in my 20s, too dumb to say anything but I knew it wasn't right.

The Vic Park Social Club was another kettle of fish, horrible culture, picking fights with anyone, and vile language. Went there once, it was once too often.

I heard nasty racism that bad only once or twice: at Moorabin from some Saints (I went to see Lockett and Winnar play Ablett) toward Winmar, and some Hawks a few times more recently. Had a word, they we re smart Alec's, got security, bye bye (and a Pie with Tourettes took their seat, I kid you not).

I dunno if we are the most racist but we're the biggest, so probably we have the most racists. We're trying to clean it up and its changed quite a bit, at least near me.

No one said anything to the coupla idiots near me that day. If Lumumba changed one thing it's now we shut down idiots, our own and opposition these days.

So we're woke now. You might think Lumumba is a flog (I dont) but either way he was right we were mouthy flogs before and needed to clean up.

FYI

Macadam kicked 9 that day

 

[SC_Power]

Thread missing a poll asking does anyone really care about Australia Day.

Is there room for humour?

 

[Cyclops]

FYI

Macadam kicked 9 that day

Thamks for the correction. Fmd, 9.

Was it 5 at the G another day? I saw him destroy us more than once.

One of the smartest players I've ever seen, everyone's pushing a jostling, then he goes Sherlock Holmes, sees everything unfolding, a little step to the side, he's marked it and everyone else fell over.

He was one of those Daicos/Wells brains, maybe Simon Black was like that too. They could be quick or strong but it was rarely about that.

Weirdly I see a little bit of it in Ginnivan. Not on the same level, but he's a slow skinny kid and he stitches fellas up for quick thinking.

 

[Gavin Excell]

FYI

Macadam kicked 9 that day

Important clarification

 

[the big lebowski]

Important clarification

Yes I think 9 goals at vic park whilst being racially abused by Collingwood supporters deserves accuracy in reporting.

I was there as a kid. I heard it and was shocked.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Yes I think 9 goals at vic park whilst being racially abused by Collingwood supporters deserves accuracy in reporting.

I was there as a kid. I heard it and was shocked.

There are some very nasty human beings out there and it's moments like that when all becomes clear.

 

[ROYAL EAGLE]

Tanya Horsh represents the evil of wokeness at the AFL
She is a radical radical lefty that doesn't understand normal people
And is always pushing a leftist agenda and does not understand people with
Different ideology or even people who would be considered moderates
She preaches and wants to force her ideology on us. She is basically a fanatic
That's her job at AFL

 

[Gavin Excell]

Tanya Horsh represents the evil of wokeness at the AFL
She is a radical radical lefty that doesn't understand normal people
And is always pushing a leftist agenda and does not understand people with
Different ideology or even people who would be considered moderates
She preaches and wants to force her ideology on us. She is basically a fanatic
That's her job at AFL

What is her title?

 

[Blackhawk42]

Some of us were pro-vax and knew people who were elderly or had issues with their immune systems, and didn't want them to die because of some unvaccinated person becoming a super-spreader. It was deeply personal on both sides.

Was the concept of a 'stay at home order' ever considered on an age basis though? I can't really ever recall it being discussed.

It was blanket. As a result, we risked the social and mental development of children, shut-down businesses, prevented people from attending funerals, forced people to stay in potentially life-threatening domestic situations etc etc etc.

We did that to protect the vulnerable. The medically affected and the elderly.

Was it ever proposed that we restrict only the movements of the people we were attempting to protect?




It probably doesn't matter now, honestly. This thread has discussed far more important issues affecting current day society.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Tanya Horsh represents the evil of wokeness at the AFL
She is a radical radical lefty that doesn't understand normal people
And is always pushing a leftist agenda and does not understand people with
Different ideology or even people who would be considered moderates
She preaches and wants to force her ideology on us. She is basically a fanatic
That's her job at AFL

LOL The Evil of Wokeness - Confessions of an Unapologetic Progressive.

The title of my memoirs. Stealing it.

 

[Underarm]

Was it ever proposed that we restrict only the movements of the people we were attempting to protect?

Most transmission occurs within the home. So restricting the elderly is completely pointless as the people they live with would just bring the disease home.

 

[.Shotties.]

Tanya Horsh represents the evil of wokeness at the AFL
She is a radical radical lefty that doesn't understand normal people
And is always pushing a leftist agenda and does not understand people with
Different ideology or even people who would be considered moderates
She preaches and wants to force her ideology on us. She is basically a fanatic
That's her job at AFL

See, stuff like this is why when people go on about progressives or leftists reaching across the aisle and trying to understand why people would vote for Trump, Brexit, AfD or whatever is near impossible. How do you engage with someone who probably couldn't acurately describe left-wing ideology outside being a synonym for 'woke'?

 

[Blackhawk42]

Most transmission occurs within the home. So restricting the elderly is completely pointless as the people they live with would just bring the disease home.

What about share houses (uni students for example) and young families?

 

[Gavin Excell]

See, stuff like this is why when people go on about progressives or leftists reaching across the aisle and trying to understand why people would vote for Trump, Brexit, AfD or whatever is near impossible. How do you engage with someone who probably couldn't acurately describe left-wing ideology outside being a synonym for 'woke'?

Won't be able to answer until heading back to base for talking points

 

[1990crow]

In in typical fashion of the modern left, you don't attempt to argue any of it. I suspect you agree with everything I've written, but have taken the tribal position of pretending to disagree (what would any sensible person disagree with?). I'm convinced the most of the left hate the woke stuff also, but because of the tribal, collectivist nature of the left hivemind, most don't want to speak up. It's been good to see some left-wing voices overseas call it out like Bill Maher and Jon Stewart but most are still stuck in the tribal hivemind. This shouldn't be a partisan issue.

My lord you're a buffoon. Your brain is literally rotting.

 

[1990crow]

Yep, I did a 2-party preferred poll on the politics forum a few years ago, and it came back as the Greens would win government if only bigfooty people voted. The extreme left party who only 10% of people vote for.

I've realized you just have to let go on here and let people be wrong. It's just a hivemind. These people are in a total bubble and totally out of touch with the way regular Australians think.

So you're telling me Bigfooty by the numbers is a better group of people than the general population in terms of not being morally bankrupt.

 

[Underarm]

What about share houses (uni students for example) and young families?

uni students work in essential workplaces like Supermarkets, petrol stations, hospitals, nursing homes ect. So they have face to face contact with vulnerable people.

Everyone knows someone who knows someone who is one of the 'vulnerable'. So increasing the risk that 18 year olds would get it, increases the risk their parents get it, which then increases the risk their vulnerable grandparents get it.

 

[BigPond101]

Also what utter nonsense.

How do you explain Trumps victory then ? No doubt you will use some lazy "hurr durr white racists bigots fascists" that ignores the fact latino and black folks vtoted for Trump in record numbers and the percentage of white voters was the lowest in history

 

[South of the Yarra]

I believe it is you who has not thought it through.

Yes trauma is not the same across separate instances. Using your own example of sexual assault, rape is a far greater trauma than being called a name that hurts your feelings.

Spoken by someone who has no idea about racism

 

[.Shotties.]

How do you explain Trumps victory then ?

Chronic misunderstanding of how their economy was doing, the effect of Trump's economic plans and a bit of stupidity. Google searches asking what happened to Biden and why he wasn't on the ballot spiked around election time.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

How do you explain Trumps victory then ? No doubt you will use some lazy "hurr durr white racists bigots fascists" that ignores the fact latino and black folks vtoted for Trump in record numbers and the percentage of white voters was the lowest in history

I think anyone that tries to point to one single factor is being lazy. Or they're just ignorant.

IMO, and that's all it is, there were a number of factors.

Firstly, it's important to note that less than half of voters voted for him. He only had 1.5% more people vote for him than Harris did.
So it was very tight with neither candidate being particularly popular.

I think Trump won because:

- Biden was very unpopular. He was even unpopular when he beat Trump in 2020. He became more unpopular over time.

- Harris has never been popular either, neither as VP or as a candidate.

- Harris didn't distance herself from what was an unpopular administration.

- Pretty much every country in the world so far has voted out the government who they had when COVID hit, then voted out the one that tried to manage the mess. This was a huge factor. In that sense, the Democrats were sitting ducks. Inflation and all the other nasty residual COVID impact is pinned on them. It happened the world over.

- People are dumb. On both sides. But about 20% of American adults read at a 6th grade Level apparently. Many apparently didn't even know Biden wasn't running until they rocked up to vote.

- There's the hardcore religious nature of American society. Some literally think Trump has been sent down by god.

- There's the racists. You know, as the saying goes "not all Trump supporters are racist, but all racists are Trump supporters".

- There's the 'woke' stuff.

- People are sick of being scammed by the elite. Forever Americans have been telling us all that America is the best country in the world - but they've always been wrong. We've all known that it's not. It's a shitshow. They're only now realising it and are sick of the status quo. Trump has conned people into believing he's different.

- Trump is a con man. He's a professional liar. He's really good at it. He's much better at lying than the Democrats were. He's a very effective liar. I mean, Biden did better in every single economic metric that Trump used to beat his chest about as evidence that the economy was awesome when he was in power. But in this election, even though Biden was ahead in all of those same metrics - he still managed to convince voters that the economy was a disaster! But then in the same breath tell them that it was awesome when he was in power! It made no sense, but he pulled it off.

- Trump won the media battle. As bizarre as it is, the bullshit on CNN etc. is now being widely acknowledged as being untrustworthy, whilst Joe Rogan and the 'independent Media' is considered trustworthy these days. Whilst it's good that people are finally sceptical of 'the news', it's staggering that they believe these charlatans like Joe Rogan on 'independent media'. Of course Rogan and these guys are not independent at all. But people believe they are.

- Trump managed to convince a big chunk of the public that what the far left is bringing to the table is more dangerous than what the far right is. Via Joe Rogan and these types, he managed to normalise this narrative.

- Trump managed to simultaneously convince voters that he is anti war and all about peace - but at the same time apparently everyone is scared of him cause he'll bomb them if they don't do what he says. Huh?? Which is it?? But he managed to pull this narrative off somehow. Again, with the help of the independent media.

- The most important factor was Elon Musk though. The guy Trump hated and thought was dumb, until he decided to donate to him in staggering amounts. The guy that makes electric cars that Trump hates, that now he suddenly likes because Musk told him to.
Musk was the guy that managed to control the entire independent media narrative around Trump.
Just one example, is Musk tweeting false information about the support for victims of the cyclone, and it getting 2m views. He was challenged on it, so he retracted it publicly - but the retraction only had 16000 views. The lies get out there when you have a platform, and Musk knows this.
Musk and Trump have convinced average people that rich, powerful, crooked people that look after their own interests are the problem with their lives - and they should vote for them to fix it....you know, a couple of rich, powerful crooked people that look after themselves.
It's bizarre. You couldn't make it up. But they did, and it worked.
Musk, through his independent media platforms was able to continue the scam that Trump is a normal guy, just like the average battler.

That's what won him the election.


The country was a wreck under Bush. It was a wreck under Clinton. It was a wreck under Obama. It was a wreck under Trump, so over 80 million people voted him out. It was a wreck under Biden.

America has always been a wreck for most of its people. It's awesome for the rich guys, but absolutely sucks for the regular folk.

Trump won the media battle to sell lies that he's going to help them. It boils down to that really. It always does.

 

[kirsti]

I have a trans kid and I think most anti trans people are total campaigners basically.

Please say hi to them from me X

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

I think anyone that tries to point to one single factor is being lazy. Or they're just ignorant.

IMO, and that's all it is, there were a number of factors.

Firstly, it's important to note that less than half of voters voted for him. He only had 1.5% more people vote for him than Harris did.
So it was very tight with neither candidate being particularly popular.

I think Trump won because:

- Biden was very unpopular. He was even unpopular when he beat Trump in 2020. He became more unpopular over time.

- Harris has never been popular either, neither as VP or as a candidate.

- Harris didn't distance herself from what was an unpopular administration.

- Pretty much every country in the world so far has voted out the government who they had when COVID hit, then voted out the one that tried to manage the mess. This was a huge factor. In that sense, the Democrats were sitting ducks. Inflation and all the other nasty residual COVID impact is pinned on them. It happened the world over.

- People are dumb. On both sides. But about 20% of American adults read at a 6th grade Level apparently. Many apparently didn't even know Biden wasn't running until they rocked up to vote.

- There's the hardcore religious nature of America society. Some literally think Trump has been sent down by god.

- There's the racists. You know, as the saying goes "not all Trump supporters are racist, but all racists are Trump supporters".

- There's the 'woke' stuff.

- People are sick of being scammed by the elite. Forever Americans have been telling us all that America is the best country in the world - but they've always been wrong. We've all known that it's not. It's a shitshow. They're only now realising it and are sick of the status quo. Trump has conned people into believing he's different.

- Trump is a con man. He's a professional liar. He's really good at it. He's much better at lying than the Democrats were. He's a very effective liar. I mean, Biden did better in every single economic metric that Trump used to beat to his chest about as evidence that the economy was awesome when he was in power. But in this election, even though Biden was ahead in all of those same metrics - he still managed to convince voters that the economy was a disaster! But then in the same breath tell them that it was awesome when he was in power! It made no sense, but he pulled it off.

- Trump won the media battle. As bizarre as it is, the bullshit on CNN etc. is now being widely acknowledged as being untrustworthy, whilst Joe Rogan and the 'independent Media' is considered trustworthy these days. Whilst it's good that people are finally sceptical of 'the news', it's staggering that they believe these charletans like Joe Rogan on 'independent' media. Of course Rogan and these guys are not independent at all. But people believe they are.

- Trump managed to convince a big chunk of the public that what the far left is bringing to the table is more dangerous than what the far right is. Via Joe Rogan and these types, he managed to normalise this narrative.

- Trump managed to simultaneously convince voters that he is anti war and all about peace - but at the same time apparently everyone is scared of him cause he'll bomb them if they don't do what he says. Huh?? Which is it?? But he managed to pull this narrative off somehow. Again, with the help of the independent media.

- The most important factor was Elon Musk though. The guy Trump hated and thought was dumb, until he decided to donate to him in staggering amounts. The guy that makes electric cars that Trump hates, that now he suddenly likes because Musk told him to.
Musk was the guy that managed to control the entire independent media narrative around Trump.
Just one example, is Musk tweeting false information about the support for victims of the cyclone, and it getting 2m views. He was challenged on it, so he retracted it publicly - but the retraction only had 16000 views. The lies get out there when you have a platform, and Musk knows this.
Musk and Trump have convinced average people that rich, powerful, crooked people that look after their own interests are the problem with their lives - and they should vote for them to fix it....you know, a couple of rich, powerful crooked people that look after themselves.
It's bizarre. You couldn't make it up. But they did, and it worked.
Musk, through his independent media platforms was able to continue the scam that Trump is a normal guy, just like the average battler.

That's what won him the election.


The country was a wreck under Bush. It was a wreck under Clinton. It was a wreck under Obama. It was a wreck under Trump, so over 80 million people voted him out. It was a wreck under Biden.

America has always been a wreck for most of its people. It's awesome for the rich guys, but absolutely sucks for the regular folk.

Trump won the media battle to sell lies that he's going to help them. It boils down to that really. It always does.

What a breath of fresh air. Contender for Post of the Year.

 

[Bjo187]

This question has come up a lot in this thread and I saw this today online from the Singapore prime minister, his description of wokeness.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

This question has come up a lot in this thread and I saw this today online from the Singapore prime minister, his description of wokeness.

Well he's quite wrong but other than that, yes, he completely nails it.