Opinion Mick Malthouse MEGA THREAD

[Sector 7G]

I agree with you. So why did he sign it?

Pretty Obvious isn't it? So he could keep the job he loved at the best resourced sporting club in Australia for another 2 years. A bit late now but if I was Collingwood I would have paid him out (Collingwood could afford it) and made sure he couldn't Coach for 3 year by which time he would have been out of the game for too long.

 

[jmac70]

In fairness he made 4 Grand Finals and got a premiership. Team only bottomed out once and you did pretty well in finals.

He might of earned it

He was a great coach for us. The animosity being expressed by Collingwood supporters is based on the perception that he has betrayed us by going to Carlton and also that he has said publicly that he cannot coach against "our boys". Quite clearly he has changed his mind and still believes he has plenty to offer. For the record I think you have done well getting him. i don't have to like it though.

 

[Blue and Silver]

He was a great coach for us. The animosity being expressed by Collingwood supporters is based on the perception that he has betrayed us by going to Carlton and also that he has said publicly that he cannot coach against "our boys". Quite clearly he has changed his mind and still believes he has plenty to offer. For the record I think you have done well getting him. i don't have to like it though.

I understand the animosity, but people change their minds, that isn't lying which is the main accusation levelled against Mick.

Well whatever happens from now, it's going to be full of drama

 

[jmac70]

Pretty Obvious isn't it? So he could keep the job he loved at the best resourced sporting club in Australia for another 2 years. A bit late now but if I was Collingwood I would have paid him out (Collingwood could afford it) and made sure he couldn't Coach for 3 year by which time he would have been out of the game for too long.

I don't think the club really care that he is coaching again. Eddie himself suggested earlier in the year that he would be a good fit for Carlton. It is more of a supporter issue in my opinion.

 

[Big Sim]

I don't have a problem with him walking away. I was making the point that he was not sacked. Mick got 12 years at the Pies. Not too many coaches get that much support.

Sorry mate but if you don't want to leave a job and your bosses make you then you have been sacked. And if you are at the top of your game and have just come within half an hour of back to back flags when you had to go, well not too many people would feel good about that. Some might even feel a bit resentful.

Malthouse left the Pies too soon and Carlton signed him before it was too late.

I love that it has given the oldest and most intense rivalry in the AFL a damn good subplot.

 

[4#Didak#4]

You are missing the point of the appointment altogether. What you have to understand is that this isn't a rebuild, its a finishing off. We are five years into the rebuild, the window was perceived to open this year but it was a disaster for whatever reason and the powers that be decided that the coach was not the man to take us through that window. So they got someone they believed could.

As for the investment, they have the money and they can't spend it on players because of the cap so why not use it on a coach? Especially one who is a good chance of earning his keep by improving the team enough to increase income from the fans.

I appreciate that your post is thoughtful and balanced, nonetheless it has an odour of sour grapes.

I understand the reason for the appointment and if he takes you there its a success. I think MM is a genius & has landed a great gig for himself, I have no doubts about his ability or sour grapes - good on him. However you may be missing my point.

I just think the admin of the club has taken a punt on MM delivering a flag. With all big punts there are risks & rewards. Call me cynical (most Pies fans are about flag success) but flags don't just happen on the back of one signing. So what if the unthinkable happens and within two years there is no flag. It just puts the club in an awkward position - something that wouldn't be there with a Paul Roos for example.

It is quite possible MM has only a 3 year shelf life and he will do everything to deliver a flag for the club & himself, but he may not leave much left at the end flag or no flag. If he fails he can retre & take his millions, if he wins another flag he walks away a freakin genius legend - not much downside for the great man. I just think all clubs should be thinking about long term, internally driven success and its up to the administration to deliver that not the coach.

In terms of investment, again its an administration responsibilty to manage funds well. The club has battled debt for a long time and needs to setup for the long term future. Is the payout of all the coaches & signing of even higher paid coaches going to be value for money for members - maybe if the punt works & a flag delivered. I am big on this since Port sacked Williams on big money, they are in massive debt problems. They sign a new coach then sack him while they are still paying the wages of the last sacked coach - its disgraceful and their whole board should be shot. Carlton is differnet but the point is the same.

 

[jmac70]

Sorry mate but if you don't want to leave a job but your bosses make you then you have been sacked. And if you are the top of your game and have just come within half an hour of back to back flags when you had to go, well not too many people would feel good about that. Some might even feel a bit resentful.

Malthouse left the Pies too soon and Carlton signed him before it was too late.

I love that it has given the oldest and most intense rivalry in the AFL a damn good subplot.

Let's agree to disagree. I have taken up too much room on your board. See you in 2013...it's going to be huge.

 

[myblueroan]

Never good for any club to sell the farm to get the cow. Even if that cow is the silver fox.

What if it's a slow ox?

 

[Big Sim]

Let's agree to disagree. I have taken up too much room on your board. See you in 2013...it's going to be huge.

Appreciate your input.

Yeah can't wait. Lets hope we meet in a final too.

 

[The Toad]

Let's agree to disagree. I have taken up too much room on your board. See you in 2013...it's going to be huge.

Collingwood supporters who join in with out the smart arse responses and participate in a good way are always welcome here jmac.

Good job

 

[4#Didak#4]

Let's more accurately describe what happened rather on relying on Eddies version of events. He walked out because he was demoted and given a bogus role that had no responsibility or job description eventhough he was more qualified than his replacement. A bit like the old HR tactic of putting office workers in a room by themselves until they resign so you don't have to pay them redundancy. Doesn't work anymore as people can entertain themselves all day on the internet.

And a fine job you are doing.

 

[Big Sim]

So what if the unthinkable happens and within two years there is no flag. It just puts the club in an awkward position - something that wouldn't be there with a Paul Roos for example.

It is quite possible MM has only a 3 year shelf life and he will do everything to deliver a flag for the club & himself, but he may not leave much left at the end flag or no flag.

They sign a new coach then sack him while they are still paying the wages of the last sacked coach - its disgraceful and their whole board should be shot. Carlton is differnet but the point is the same.

Point one: if Rattan stayed and did not deliver a flag it would be the same situation so there is nothing lost there. Its all about striking while the iron is hot.

Point two: What he leaves at the end will be what it is, flag or no flag, and to say that another coach would have the club in better shape at that time would be pure speculation.

Point three: I agree. Don't know if they should be shot though, perhaps put in the stocks and have supporters throw rotten fruit at them. Maybe even a few lashes for good measure.

 

[Aphrodite]

And a fine job you are doing.

You are not doing so bad yourself.

 

[zeeCFC]

Surely we can merge the two Malthouse threads

 

[Aphrodite]

Surely we can merge the two Malthouse threads

Very difficult to do zee as posts from both treads if merged would be out of chronological order and hard to follow.

Better to lock this thread and over to :-

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/welcome-to-carlton-mick-malthouse.972108/