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Mick Malthouse on Grant Thomas

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A coach dogged by bad luck
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Mick Malthouse
September 13, 2006

I'VE never been especially close to Grant Thomas. We never really got on. But I think the sacked St Kilda coach has been terribly hard done by.
My initial reaction on hearing of Grant's sacking was shock. That didn't last long. The longer you think about it, the more things become clear.

Thomas could never quite stop the dogs from barking in the media. Eventually they turned on him and ripped him to shreds.

Grant won't make this excuse for himself so I'll do it for him. Injuries during a season can cripple a coach. Injuries during a game can destroy a side.

Last Friday night I watched the Saints completely dominate Melbourne during the first half of their knockout final. St Kilda blew a lot of scoring chances and should have been five or six goals up at half-time.

The Demons, remember, are no walkovers. But they were made to look second rate during much of the game.

Then luck turned for Grant and his side. Both of the Clarke boys came off injured. Robert Harvey did a hamstring. Aaron Hamill was struggling. Fraser Gehrig hurt his ankle. Justin Koschitzke knocked himself out.

Read that list again. It's difficult to believe you can have so much bad luck in an hour of football, but nonetheless the Saints were still in the game well into the last quarter.

I thought they did very well to keep within three goals of Melbourne and wasn't surprised when Grant expressed enormous pride in his team. The Demons improved in the second half but would count themselves very lucky to win.

Next morning, however, I read a lot of rot in the papers about "Brave Dees" along with more than a hint of criticism about the Saints underachieving.

This kind of unfair treatment has followed Grant through his coaching career. Remember, Thomas replaced one of the media's favourite sons - Malcolm Blight - and was never inclined to be part of the club.

Grant's appointment was peculiar - he seemed to usurp the job from his position in the Saints' footy department - and he never managed to win the critics over.

I'm not sure if anyone could have done better than Grant. His last three or four years were plagued by injury and when you lose people of the calibre of Lenny Hayes and Matt Maguire for a season, you tear your hair out. Hayes would have been leading the best and fairest when he went down with a knee. Maguire, who will be out next year as well, is virtually irreplaceable as a key defender.

The rumour mill has Denis Pagan lined up to replace Grant. St Kilda will want an experienced coach, because there are no short cuts. Many of the club's best players are 30-plus. Some of the injuries are long term. The competition is brutally even.

Good luck to Denis if he jumps ship. Quite clearly, he's lost the support of key board members at Carlton and that's an untenable situation for any senior coach.

Grant will be disappointed but he will understand the nature of the job.

Imagine if the Saints had held on last Friday; it would have been a truly heroic victory, one to celebrate for the ages.

In 2004 and 2005 Grant got the Saints into the finals, again with injuries on his list. Around this time last year St Kilda led the eventual premiers, Sydney, into the last quarter of the preliminary final. These aren't small achievements.

Yet sections of the media were never satisfied and the St Kilda board has sniffed the wind and sacked the coach.

Grant should hold his head high and feel proud of what he has achieved at Moorrabbin. The bar he has set for his successor at the Saints won't be easy to straddle.
 
My Comment:

Rarely has anyone come out in the media and praised Grant Thomas.
This is a very bold article showing sympathy for GT, even empathy.

Good on you MM.

He is a coach I would have at St Kilda (despite not really being a proven coach) (I don't count the WC premierships as they were with a squad that was so much superior to any other club at the time - basically state squads).

Denis Pagan is a huge step backwards. I would not encourage that line of thought - he is a yesterdays man. He is tactically bereft. No.

Please Please Please do NOT consider Pagan for the job.
 
I don't agree that Pagan's tactically bereft. I think it's more that he can't develop a list. He inherited a North Melbourne side ready to ripen and left the club with much the same sort of personnel - only that the best of them was gone and the others were over the hill.

If the Saints still think they can win a flag in the next two years (and to be honest I have my doubts, and have had them for the past year), then Pagan makes sense.
 
CharlieG said:
I don't agree that Pagan's tactically bereft. I think it's more that he can't develop a list. He inherited a North Melbourne side ready to ripen and left the club with much the same sort of personnel - only that the best of them was gone and the others were over the hill.

If the Saints still think they can win a flag in the next two years (and to be honest I have my doubts, and have had them for the past year), then Pagan makes sense.

I agree. Pagan has worked wonders at Carlton and is a tactical wizard. Remember the list and lost draft picks. I can see him taking Saints to a flag. The players will love him. Pagan does make sense.

I hope Saints don't take him..gulp
 

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skipper kelly said:
Carey, if he is available, would be the bloke I would hunt for.

That would be a great choice if you were developing your list.
Clearly a likely coach choice, but we might benefit more from a seasoned coach.

Grant Thomas is available. He has a great record. He would be my choice.
 
skipper kelly said:
Carey, if he is available, would be the bloke I would hunt for.

Great players rarely make great coaches in any code. Obviously Mathews is the exception and Roos was an excellent player but perhaps not top tier
 
The article says a lot about Malthouse. Remember this is the guy who ridiculously said after Thomas sacked Capuano "We may see a player hanging from a bridge". It is clear that Malthouse didn't prescribe to Thomas' business way of doing things. For Mick to write that article now says only one thing: Malthouse is obviously a class act.

The injuries this year were more about quality than quantity. Hayes is our best player and clearly so, and Maguire was nearing All-Australian form. He was clearly the best CHB in the comp from Round 11 up until his injury.

We had five players get injured in a quarter, with Gehrig, Koschitzke & X Clarke all suffering from impact injuries. Harvey probably also had whiplash and a sore head from that incredibly fair ball player Pickett's "attention".

I would prefer an experienced coach, but Pagan is past it. Not his fault, he has beend dealing with mediocrity too long.
 
Qsaint said:
Great players rarely make great coaches in any code. Obviously Mathews is the exception and Roos was an excellent player but perhaps not top tier

Huh?? Leigh Matthews, Rodney Eade, Paul Roos, Terry Wallace, Kevin Sheedy, Mick Malthouse, Mark Thompson all great players and all great coaches. I dont subscribe to that school of thought. Great players are generally great because of their superior "feel" for the game and their ability to read play. I think this generally transforms into a good footy brain and a good coach.
 
JavaBlue said:
I agree. Pagan has worked wonders at Carlton and is a tactical wizard. Remember the list and lost draft picks. I can see him taking Saints to a flag. The players will love him. Pagan does make sense.

I hope Saints don't take him..gulp

I don't know what the sarcasm is for.

The fact is Pagan got the Kangaroos to seven straight preliminary finals. The list was about comparable to Geelong's from 1989 to 1995 (which made four Grand Finals but lost them all, and contrived to miss the finals twice) and St Kilda's list from 2004-6. That in itself demonstrates that having the best list in the competition doesn't guarantee premierships.

I don't think Pagan is St Kilda's best option because I don't think they're within a couple of years of a flag, and I'm sceptical of his ability to develop sides. However, if they are thinking that they can still snatch one, then of the coaches that a) are feasibly available and b) have proven their ability to get good teams over the line, Pagan is the obvious choice.
 

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