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Mick Malthouse.

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Murray said:
Still waiting to hear about the better coaching options for Collingwood other than Mick
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IMO, Mick talks crap when we are on top... you know the meaning of life, save the rain forrest.... yeah right Mick... and won't talk up the team... and then when we lose he gets all ansy about the team... he should bloody well celebrate the wins and back the boys for a big win... always Mr Philosophy.... having said that.... of course he has been bloody fantastic for the club. Let's not forget who he took over.. I mean I love Tony but he was no great coach... I just think Mick gets far too cute sometimes but disagree he hasn't shown a flair for match days in changing our line up to combat other teams strengths.
Of the current AFL coaches... for me it would be Mick, Leigh, The Plough or that bald guy who coaches the doggies. As for the mental bloody unit from Port... have any of you guys ever seen him up close and looked in his eyes??? Hoo Boy.... there is something weird happening upstairs for Choko!!
 
FadeAway said:
Well come in go through the list....

Rumors keep going around Chocko Williams wants to coach Collingwood, would you take him over mike?

There is Malcom Blight, would you take him over Mike?
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See what I mean ^

This is the alternative crap that people come up with.
 
goalseeker said:
IMO, Mick talks crap when we are on top... you know the meaning of life, save the rain forrest.... yeah right Mick... and won't talk up the team... and then when we lose he gets all ansy about the team... he should bloody well celebrate the wins and back the boys for a big win... always Mr Philosophy.... having said that.... of course he has been bloody fantastic for the club. Let's not forget who he took over.. I mean I love Tony but he was no great coach... I just think Mick gets far too cute sometimes but disagree he hasn't shown a flair for match days in changing our line up to combat other teams strengths.
Of the current AFL coaches... for me it would be Mick, Leigh, The Plough or that bald guy who coaches the doggies. As for the mental bloody unit from Port... have any of you guys ever seen him up close and looked in his eyes??? Hoo Boy.... there is something weird happening upstairs for Choko!!
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Oh I see, we just go to those coaches and tell them they are coaching Collingwood next year.
And they will say "OK see you at the Lexus Centre in October" :rolleyes:

Fantasy land is alive and well.

Now guys I have this big bridge in Sydney, I'm looking for a buyer.
Its going cheap
Anyone interested?
 

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Alternatives to MM depend on where you see the club, the list and the direction. Good experienced options are thin on the ground. MM has won 2 flags but they were more than a decade ago and assisted by start-up squad assistance. WCE, Adelaide, Brisbane/Lions and Port all won premierships around 7 years from start-up squad assistance. You can rank the level of success they achieved according to the generosity of the assistance programme starting at Brisbane and ending at Port. Freo have been a failure but look at who they have let go. They have only themselves to blame and if you doubt the AFL do this deliberately the look at how they intervened to try and help Freo with, for example, the White compensation.

Yes MM has 2 flags and plenty of others don’t have any. Why are they not asterisked by Collingwood fans any more while Brisbane’s are?

IMO it is time for us to take a different path. We need to find the next new coach to make a name for himself instead of take the soft option of chasing a coach that won flags a decade ago with a phased out game plan. We need an innovator not a reactor. Adelaide showed some balls and now they are leaders in many ways. Sydney took Roos over Wallace. Carton took the man of the moment and proved the folly of the theory. We took a punt on Tony Shaw and it backfired. Are we now too scared to be anything but safe and conservative? I hope not.

Who we chose is one thing. The question to ask first is whether MM is the man to bring a flag? If the answer is no then he must go regardless of replacement options. IMO the answer is an emphatic no. He hasn’t managed the list well and by and large he hasn’t selected, positioned or tactically mastered the troops well on too many occasions. The fact Collingwood fans hold out 2 losing grand finals among 6 seasons which include 3 bottom 4 finishes and another finals miss as evidence that MM is the one for us is reflective of half a century of Collingwood.

If you always do what you’ve always done you’ll always get what you’ve always got.


I really hope I am wrong because MM will be here for a few years yet. I hope he brings the flag and I will happily admit to being a complete idiot but IMO he has failed and his time is up and he. The alternatives are another decision again and as I said it is time for us to be bold. We did it with Mathews and won our only flag since 1958.
 
First Mark you are a well known MM hater.

You wrote a lot but left out the most important thing
Credible alternatives (Names)

Or don't you have any?
 
Murray said:
First Mark you are a well known MM hater.

You wrote a lot but left out the most important thing
Credible alternatives (Names)

Or don't you have any?
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Not a hater at all but I don’t think he is the answer. I think he could win a flag at St. Kilda though provided he got a ruckman which I don’t think he thinks is particularly important. As for the alternatives didn’t you understand what I wrote?

First of all, the alternatives are the secondary issue. If MM is the man for the flag then they are irrelevant and if he isn’t then they are still irrelevant until after he gets the chop (or rather making that decision) because whether or not there is a better alternative is impossible to definitively know or quantify. That is the nature of the roll.

If you want names to criticise then I’ll give them to you but none of your assessments of them change whether MM will bring a flag or not and that is the question that is most relevant to us right now.

Experienced options:

Mark Williams Has been more successful than Malthouse since he got his first job.
Malcolm Blight is innovative and has shown a capacity to make hard player decisions that have been proven correct.

As I said my preference would be to unearth a new coach. We need to find the new Mathews not the old Pagan/Malthouse.
Newbys:

O’Donnell and Longmire have a good reputations, have been at successful clubs which is important IMO and will get a gig at some point. Obviously unproven at this stage.
Barry Mitchell has good wraps with his role with the Bullants. If Pagan goes the Blues will probably lock him in.
Guy McKenna should be considered. He has done enough of an apprenticeship and the club at least should have an idea of his strengths and weaknesses.

They would be the main ones off the top but you would obviously extend the search far and wide.

On your theory Murray we'd still have Steve McKee in the ruck.

You probably wouldn't have taken Eade or Wallace and laughed at Roos and particularly Craig. Any of those guys would be good for us right now.
 
what about gavin brown? does he have any head coach aspirations? it'd be great to see such a club legend coaching the pies, although we all remember what happened last time we had a legend:o
 
little snippet in 'the australian' yesterday
due to MM underperforming eddie may be 'boning' Mick & replacing him with jessica rowe :)
 
I think after next year if we haven't won a flag it will be time for MM to move on. It would have been 8 years. If a coach can't get you a flag in that time then changes must be made.
 
Tom Hafey coached Collingwood for less than 8 years for 5 grand finals including a draw and a 5 point loss. Mathews coached us for what, about 10 years for 1 flag.

8 FRIKIN YEARS FFS!!!!

How much more do you need to know?
What more excuses are there for not winning the flag this year?
 
Murray said:
Oh I see, we just go to those coaches and tell them they are coaching Collingwood next year.
And they will say "OK see you at the Lexus Centre in October" :rolleyes:

Fantasy land is alive and well.

Now guys I have this big bridge in Sydney, I'm looking for a buyer.
Its going cheap
Anyone interested?
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Duh Murray... I prefaced it by saying, for me... as IMO.... I thought this was fantasy land and therefore was purely speculating on who I thought would make a good coach... of course if you have the inside running on who is ACTUALLY interested and ready to come over to the dark side... well gee feel free to enlighten us all ............. ummmm so.... how much for the bridge???? :D :D :D :D
 

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Have absorbed all you`ve put fwd Mark et al, but I think I`ll stick with
all of the playing list, coaching staff, informed media scribes, opposition coaches, majority of members/supporters and my own valued judgement and back him in!!!
Your own thinking seems Paganesque to me...I mean amongst MM`s "fantasy" talk you refer to is something pretty important - that modern-day coaching is not about catching up to the top teams but rather, "predicting " the style of footy that will set the standard. Mick is ahead of the game in his thinking, as are Rodney Eade and Neil Craig(though Crow players are precision-skilled enough to successfully use "tempo" football to fall back on, a handy advantage). With a developing list and limited depth, he forced other coaches to "devise" a way of beating us, and will adjust again at the right time of the season, IMO. Underrate Malthouse at your peril...not many others do.:D
 
goalseeker said:
Duh Murray... I prefaced it by saying, for me... as IMO.... I thought this was fantasy land and therefore was purely speculating on who I thought would make a good coach... of course if you have the inside running on who is ACTUALLY interested and ready to come over to the dark side... well gee feel free to enlighten us all ............. ummmm so.... how much for the bridge???? :D :D :D :D
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Ah I see, you are using the old Nike defence - swoosh

How about Mick Malthouse.
Now you tell me the name of the coach who is available and with a better record than Mick's?

I want $250 for the bridge but you have to collect it yourself :D
(Oh and I do paypal)
 
johnson_26 said:
I disagree entirely. Mick is a super coach, and he proved that01, 02, 03 and now 06. He uses every resource he has to maximal effect. he is great for developing kids over the last two years (previous years questionable and drafting pre 04 was to be desired).

He uses average lists (some may think to malthouses drafting), but he gets the best out of them, making them perform at a higher level than what others would expect. Further the players really gell and react to him. they play for him, they'll do whatever he says, rather than play in spite of him. he commands the respect of all others around him.

He had the arduous task of rebuilding collingwod and he did it in two eyars the first time, and two years the second time (first being 00, 01, second being 04, 05). We've got alot of young kids comming through thanks to MM and they should play under him further. He is level headed and knows what he's doing.

i say leave it to beaver, and continue coaching mick for as long as the club requires:thumbsu:
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Spot on on every point!
 
PC-04 said:
Mick is ahead of the game in his thinking,
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How so? I though 2002/3 was pretty old school MM with defence as the cornerstone. What has 2006 revealed? I don’t see anything innovative at all. I do think MM has changed things around a bit but to me , if anything it looks like a 2001 and early 2002 game plan where we try and move it forward until we get close enough and then wait to spot up a quality target. It worked a lot better early on when we were wining m ore stoppages but we did that largely with the old brigade plus some run and carry from Shaw and Swan.

When it is all said and done though I am prepared to concede every single subjective theoretical point and go to results as the ultimate decider and ours have been poor. We failed in 2 GF’s, they are the only years we have made the finals and we have finished in the bottom 4 3 times. MM has a poor overall win/loss record at Collingwood.
 
He had a dream run heading up the West Coast Eagles and benefited from draft concessions. I doubt very much he would have WCE in the position they are in now. He talks far too much crap and thinks he has realised the meaning of life. Get on and concentrate on coaching footy Mick.
 

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ortbuster said:
He had a dream run heading up the West Coast Eagles and benefited from draft concessions. I doubt very much he would have WCE in the position they are in now. He talks far too much crap and thinks he has realised the meaning of life. Get on and concentrate on coaching footy Mick.
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So did Frawley.

HA! HA! HA! HA!
 
Mick has an opinion on all issues in the AFL. I think he should concentrate on doing what he is payed for, rather than talking about other club's problems.
 
footynuts99 said:
Mick has an opinion on all issues in the AFL. I think he should concentrate on doing what he is payed for, rather than talking about other club's problems.
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When did he do that?
What did he say?
 

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