Opinion Mick Malthouse

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Sakc MLo!

 

[Just Kreuzing]

First two years on the list were a series of knee injuries... and I suspect a bit of lost confidence because of it. Then he probably had people telling him that he needed to change his kicking action to compensate for any potential lose of movement in his knees. By that time, Barker and Green were doing their thing and have seemed to be more interested in coaching the small forwards than in coaching and helping out the big guys.

Now he has Sav to help him out and in 2 weeks appears to have corrected 4 years worth of detritus in his kicking action.

Ah yes forgot about the knee injuries, would certainly have impacted confidence and power but didn't he have serious issues with technique and ball drop prior to the knee injuries also, Rookie year, TAC Cup etc ??

Hope our "handcuff to chair" drills were not the cause of poor technique and confidence.....

 

[therubbernub]

Carlton has gone backwards with MM. You would have been far better off with Ratts than MM.
Team is just a rabble now and nothing will change with him.

Get rid of him and put a Carlton man back in.

I dont think they will. Looking back we had pagan the failed outside man>> then we reacted to his failure by appointing a favorite son/carlton man. Ratts failed . Inexperience was a major cause>>> we reacted by appointing a very experienced coach, who it now seems , has failed>>> now ( finally) we will appoint a much younger but well credentialed coach IMO.

 

[gullie man]

Make no mistake, the Wagga Wagga under 15s are a very, very good football side

certainly more entertaining to watch at the moment!!

 

[Vdubs]

Port Adelaide reached outside its own base for the first time in a long time to bring in Ken Hinkley who had never been associated with Port, and it worked out quite well for us. He understood the culture we wanted right away.

I don't think the issue is whether they're from Carlton, it's whether they have any drive and vision for the future, which I'm not sure Malthouse does at the tail end of his career. He may have experience but he doesn't seem particularly driven by wanting to make history.

Doubt that if MM was replaced now, that would be the definitive long term coach. Caretaker roles are not ideal. Hinkley started rd 1 did he not, or did he start after a sacking?

 

[DragoonCody]

He started at the start of a season, an assistant coach played out the rest of the season after Primus got sacked.

 

[Dramoth]

Ah yes forgot about the knee injuries, would certainly have impacted confidence and power but didn't he have serious issues with technique and ball drop prior to the knee injuries also, Rookie year, TAC Cup etc ??

Hope our "handcuff to chair" drills were not the cause of poor technique and confidence.....

Nah... despite what people joke about his kicking in the TAC... the guy still managed to kick 41.14 for his TAC year. In his rookie years, they had him playing ruck and in the forward lines... hence the knee injuries (PCL injuries I think they were... the ruckmans injury).

It's quite possible that Ratts saw him as another Hampson... a ruck/forward type player.

 

[I bleed Blue]

Lets do things the Carlton way.

Sack Mick

Appoint Barker as caretaker.

Delist Graham.

Trade Menzel and Cripps so we can get good picks.

Extend Ellard/ Carrazzo/ Tutts etc contacts.

Play our best defender, Henderson, as a forward.

Play the only player on our list who has kicked 50+ in a season as a defender.

Bring in more Collingwood rejects.

EDIT. Fair to say I have 0 confidence in us making the right decisions.

 

[gbatman]

Mick took Collingwood from last to consecutive grand finals within 3 years. Yes, it was a false dawn but I'd take that kind of false dawn. It gives hope if you can see a coach can make a lesser list play above themselves and come within 9 points of a flag. For us to have that same faith, we will have 3 years of failure to draw on and point to achievements at Collingwood, not here.

The differences are far more pronounced than you think.

I understand the differences, the main being we are in a worse state than they were. They were failing but had more young talent on the list. Their down period also came following a period of success whereas we haven't had any notable success since 2000. They also had a better off field structure in place, some quality assistants and most importantly guys like Hine and a sound and high quality recruiting department. We just haven't had/got this. Perhaps SOS and his team will be good, who knows. One of Malthouses biggest assets at Collingwood was the team he/they built around him. We do not have the same quality support staff surrounding Malthouse.

You can't have success by having the best player in the league surrounded by ordinary players (Judd with us, Ablett with Suns). It provides false hope and false expectations and just covers up underlying weaknesses while providing some mild success and wins as we have seen. Thinking we were better than we actually were.

Off field is exactly the same. You can't get the best coach in the league and plonk him in charge of a team when those around him are no good (assistants, development, recruiters) and expect him to have success like we have done.

We set Malthouse up to fail without knowing it through our own delusion. Now we need to set him up to succeed. Or we can just repeat the last 14 years over again and learn nothing from other team's success and our own failures.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Eddie Betts, Jeff Garlett & Jarrad Waite.... FFS Mick saying we didnt have the cattle when he is basically responsible for all of these guys leaving.

 

[smashbox gill]

What really needs to change at Carlton along with the coach is the culture. We need a coach whos gonna come in and instil the right attitude for players to follow. Tough and uncomprimising. Someone not afraid to weild the axe. Someone who demands excellence and wont settle for anything less.

Brett Kirk could be this man. Stewy Dew could be this man. Leigh Tudor could be this man.

 

[RedFury]

Honestly 1 or 3. The worst thing the club can do is 2 - which is what they are currently doing.

 

[HARKER]

Okay, so we sack Mick.

Who are we going to replace him with?

Mark LoGiudice of course.

Comes across as someone who really knows how to get people on-side..................especially when it comes to his mates.

 

[I bleed Blue]

Eddie Betts, Jeff Garlett & Jarrad Waite.... FFS Mick saying we didnt have the cattle when he is basically responsible for all of these guys leaving.

These three outscored our whole side this weekend.

 

[I bleed Blue]

We are going to let him coach the year out.... guess we are about to find out how low things can get.

The players confidence will be so destroyed by then it wont be funny.

 

[carlton2dabone]

What really needs to change at Carlton along with the coach is the culture. We need a coach whos gonna come in and instil the right attitude for players to follow. Tough and uncomprimising. Someone not afraid to weild the axe. Someone who demands excellence and wont settle for anything less.

Brett Kirk could be this man. Stewy Dew could be this man. Leigh Tudor could be this man.

What Mick has done is created the following:

Because of his refusal to drop any of the established players no matter how poor their form is, he has focused all our omission changes between our fringe players and our young and up and coming players.

He has created an atmosphere where our fringe players and our young players are being rotated in and out of the team on just a week's performance, sometimes just even 15 minute performances as happened with Graham last match.

This results in the above players being concerned about worrying about only about their own performance against their direct opponent to the detriment of the entire team.

Look at White yesterday, he was not even a metre from Cameron but had no intention of tackling him, instead he ran straight past Cameron to focus on his own man which left Cameron the space to snap a gaol. The reason he did this was because White was trying to save his own skin, as long as its not his own man that kicked the goal, then he wouldn't be in the firing line to be dropped the week after.

MM needs to tell sit these players down and tell them that they will get a run of 6 or so games in a row and won't be dropped no matter how badly they perform. At least this will free up these players to do the team things without worrying that they will be punished for leaving their direct opponent to help out team mate.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

The fact we are letting MM stay simply means SOS wants us to tank to ensure we get pick #1

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

The fact we are letting MM stay simply means SOS wants us to tank to ensure we get pick #1

So you think we are in a position to decide whether to win or not?

 

[Dramoth]

There is another option... the club has already reached an agreement with a replacement coach and have reached an agreement with Mick that Mick coaches out the remainder of the year.

It could be that all the bullshit we are seeing with selections is a requirement of the new coach. He wants to see what sort of experienced core of players we have first and then play the kids in the latter half of the year to assess them.

The unfortunate side effect of this is that the players have lost confidence in the club because of this and it is affecting their performances on the field.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

What Mick has done is created the following:

Because of his refusal to drop any of the established players no matter how poor their form is, he has focused all our omission changes between our fringe players and our young and up and coming players.

He has created an atmosphere where our fringe players and our young players are being rotated in and out of the team on just a week's performance, sometimes just even 15 minute performances as happened with Graham last match.

This results in the above players being concerned about worrying about only about their own performance against their direct opponent to the detriment of the entire team.

Look at White yesterday, he was not even a metre from Cameron but had no intention of tackling him, instead he ran straight past Cameron to focus on his own man which left Cameron the space to snap a gaol. The reason he did this was because White was trying to save his own skin, as long as its not his own man that kicked the goal, then he wouldn't be in the firing line to be dropped the week after.

MM needs to tell sit these players down and tell them that they will get a run of 6 or so games in a row and won't be dropped no matter how badly they perform. At least this will free up these players to do the team things without worrying that they will be punished for leaving their direct opponent to help out team mate.

I agree re the young players, everyone on our list under 23 should be told they are in the team for the next 8 weeks regardless and will give them the confidence to play Instead of simply worrying about there own performance.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

So you think we are in a position to decide whether to win or not?

I have no doubt if we sacked MM and gave the reigns to one of the assistants we would get an improvement that would enable us to win a handful of games, if we continue as we are then we wont win again in 2015. we are a much better side on paper than Stkilda, Brisbane, Melbourne and even the dogs yet we are playing the worst football of anyteam by a long way.

 

[HARKER]

There is another option... the club has already reached an agreement with a replacement coach and have reached an agreement with Mick that Mick coaches out the remainder of the year.
It could be that all the bullshit we are seeing with selections is a requirement of the new coach. He wants to see what sort of experienced core of players we have first and then play the kids in the latter half of the year to assess them.

The unfortunate side effect of this is that the players have lost confidence in the club because of this and it is affecting their performances on the field.

Bang!!!!

Let's just get rid of the people that know how to build and replace them with suits.
We won't attract any players nor win any games, but **** we're going to look good.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

I have no doubt if we sacked MM and gave the reigns to one of the assistants we would get an improvement that would enable us to win a handful of games, if we continue as we are then we wont win again in 2015. we are a much better side on paper than Stkilda, Brisbane, Melbourne and even the dogs yet we are playing the worst football of anyteam by a long way.

No we're not better on paper because they have more youth coming through and more effort in their sides. Hard work is an attribute and we have precious little.

Personally, if we get more wins and free up the players minds and motivation a little bit, it will have a greater effect on our psyche than a #1 draft pick. We can't go the rest of the season with supporters bailing and players psychologically wondering if they should leave or if they are good enough.

 

[carlton2dabone]

No we're not better on paper because they have more youth coming through and more effort in their sides. Hard work is an attribute and we have precious little.

Personally, if we get more wins and free up the players minds and motivation a little bit, it will have a greater effect on our psyche than a #1 draft pick. We can't go the rest of the season with supporters bailing and players psychologically wondering if they should leave or if they are good enough.

He was saying that on paper our list has more talent than those other teams he listed.
ATM we are giving less effort and hard work than these other teams, but the beauty of effort and hard work is that you don't need a rebuild or a 5 year plan to accomplish those, you just need to instil in the players enough enthusiasm that they work harder.

Getting rid of MM will at the very least shake things up, possibly free the team up to not have to constantly play the boundary line game plan and that in itself could make footy enjoyable for the players again resulting in them working harder on the field.

 

[The Flying Doormat]

No we're not better on paper because they have more youth coming through and more effort in their sides. Hard work is an attribute and we have precious little.

Personally, if we get more wins and free up the players minds and motivation a little bit, it will have a greater effect on our psyche than a #1 draft pick. We can't go the rest of the season with supporters bailing and players psychologically wondering if they should leave or if they are good enough.

We have youth...that are prevented from developing.